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I was talking about needing to schedule an appt at the primary care provider to just get a referral I didn't end up needing after all for a specialist for something I've needed for 20 plus years anyway. (I've needed some specialized eye doctor since the late 80s, but had to switch once I got my own insurance thru work.) Copay plus whatever they tacked on the insurance company for just wanting to talk to me and send a paper over is ridiculous.
And I can keep going. Bunch of other people I know got the insurance company run around.
Post by awolfthedoor on Aug 13, 2012 10:16:20 GMT -5
Irony thy name is Paul Ryan:
3. Ryan's father died when Paul was only 16. Using the Social Security survivors benefits he received until his 18th birthday, he paid for his education at Miami University in Ohio, where he completed a bachelor's degree in economics and political science in 1992.
3. Ryan's father died when Paul was only 16. Using the Social Security survivors benefits he received until his 18th birthday, he paid for his education at Miami University in Ohio, where he completed a bachelor's degree in economics and political science in 1992.
I've read that too, but under private SS plans that I've seen, survivor benefits would still exist. Was he able to succeed by using a government program? Yup. Would he still have been able to do the same under a privatized SS? Seems so. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's not like he used welfare or something where his father hadn't paid into. It was money his family paid into and then it was paid out to the family after his death, like any retirement account.
I just spoke with a P.A. from Detroit on a flight to Chicago that told me her hospital gets patients from Canada every day because it can take months to get tests like an MRI or CT Scan...even if you have already been diagnosed with a disease. She specifically referred to cancer patients coming across the border because they can't get treatments fast enough.
Food for thought.
The socialized health care system isn't perfect, obviously. But it beats the piss out of the American system. We pay the most for health care, and get a much lower standard of care compared to every other western country.
Quite frankly, this country does not give a damn about its fellow man. To quote Nas: "what is to be praised? The almighty dollar, or the almighty Allah?" We put much more value into money in this country than each other. To anything we say is important.
In the case of health care, I want doctors and nurses to actually take care of people. Without needing to run a million tests because it brings in revenue. Because people are so eager to sue each other and make a quick buck also.
He has been known to order his staff to read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," though he has publicly backtracked from this position in a growing national spotlight.
I've read that too, but under private SS plans that I've seen, survivor benefits would still exist. Was he able to succeed by using a government program? Yup. Would he still have been able to do the same under a privatized SS? Seems so. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's not like he used welfare or something where his father hadn't paid into. It was money his family paid into and then it was paid out to the family after his death, like any retirement account.
Where have you "seen" this?
Private accounts would reduce special insurance protections, such as disability and survivor's insurance, that are also provided by Social Security. Cuts will have to be made to these programs in order to fund private retirement accounts.
The big deal isn't that he even wants to privatize social security. The problem is he's trying to do so under the guise that it'll save the program, when in reality he wants to massively scale back the program's benefits, while privatizing it so conglomerates can get rich(er) off them.
Feel free to ever site a source in this thread.
I'm also waiting for you to answer Rosko's question which you conveniently ignored..twice.
I've read that too, but under private SS plans that I've seen, survivor benefits would still exist. Was he able to succeed by using a government program? Yup. Would he still have been able to do the same under a privatized SS? Seems so. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's not like he used welfare or something where his father hadn't paid into. It was money his family paid into and then it was paid out to the family after his death, like any retirement account.
Where have you "seen" this?
Private accounts would reduce special insurance protections, such as disability and survivor's insurance, that are also provided by Social Security. Cuts will have to be made to these programs in order to fund private retirement accounts.
The big deal isn't that he even wants to privatize social security. The problem is he's trying to do so under the guise that it'll save the program, when in reality he wants to massively scale back the program's benefits, while privatizing it so conglomerates can get rich(er) off them.
Feel free to ever site a source in this thread.
I'm also waiting for you to answer Rosko's question which you conveniently ignored..twice.
Well there are probably hundreds of different such plans. When I read this, I just remember doing some quick research and noting the first plan I came by kept survivor benefits. That tab is long gone now, so I googled private ss plan and then used the "Find" function and searched for "survivor". Unfortunately it landed on the wonderful Cato institute's plan. Then again, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a thinktank's plan would be the one to mention it. Anyway, here's the link: www.cato.org/publications/social-security-choice-paper/62-percent-solution-plan-reforming-social-security
It doesn't go into great detail, but it does say survivor benefits would be funded. I'm not defending or arguing for privatized SS, I was simply noting that this "attack" seemed silly considering alternative plans could and probably would just as likely have given him a survivor benefit, so the point was moot.
Fwiw, it would seem the program has to scale back benefits, increase funding, or push back the retirement age. There is no program, public or private, that can avoid this as far as I can see.
Lastly, thanks for that link, I love that site's pro/con breakdown. I was disappointed there wasn't a source for their "con" point about survivor benefits. Their point seemed pretty reasonable though, that the benefits would likely be reduced, as I remember Bush admitted much the same regarding survivor benefits when he proposed a plan.
News article about kids of illegal immigrants wanting citizenship and benefits: Parents: Send em back. It's just so Obama can get votes! They don't pay taxes!! Me: They're freaking teenagers, it's not like they chose to break the rules.
The Cato Institute? Yeah, that was founded by Charles Koch. They'd definitely have no reason to try and sway the public opinion about privatizing a multi-trillion dollar industry Koch and his brother most assuredly has billions of dollars in assets lined up for or already invested in.
Not sure what the policy is in Ohio, but can't these people attain an absentee ballot if they won't make it?
If so, the better question is why isn't this being broadcast throughout the city, with easy-to-identify spots where you can sign up to have one mailed to you?
There aren't many politicians which can connect and give emotional connection in the Democratic party. Can you see the progressive version of Chris Christie? Charisma, confidence, not going to take any shit?
There aren't many politicians which can connect and give emotional connection in the Democratic party. Can you see the progressive version of Chris Christie? Charisma, confidence, not going to take any shiz?
