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For the record I've read everything up to this point. I'm quiet, I know. I'm also a Townie again, so I have absolutely no idea who anyone else is at this point. This talking in circles is not making things any clearer for me.
The truth is that LLL AND SFA AND Viking could all be Townies. The back and forth and back and forth could be between two or even three innocent Townspeople while the Mafia just sit back and laugh.
Is it just me or are these Day 1 rounds getting longer and longer each game???
All of this is true. We just need to get this run-off over with and start afresh. It is likely that we have two Townies at this point. I'm not sure, but it is likely. Watch, Mafia will win and it will turn out to be Bonnie, LD and._____ insert name here, and we could have started this game off right keeping them in and won the gam.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
I think the hardest part about this runoff is that there is SO much to reread and analyze. When posts get too long or are reiterating what has already been said, I have trouble concentrating. Viking and LL are 47% of the total posts in this game so far.
And Duddits yes! I consistently think that.
Bonzai, your math is off. LLL and I only account for 41+%. And while LLL is lapping the entire field with twice the posts of the next closest player, SFA and Bacon both have more posts than I do.
But you do bring up a good point that I mentioned before. LLL, SFA, Bacon and I make up 70+% of the total posts in the thread. Take out EAPs posts and we make up 78% of the thread. Thats why I think there is at least 1 if not 2 mafia hanging out in the quiet folks section.
And you have been more active, as has LD, but that is a function of getting tossed in the runoff too.
I think the hardest part about this runoff is that there is SO much to reread and analyze. When posts get too long or are reiterating what has already been said, I have trouble concentrating. Viking and LL are 47% of the total posts in this game so far.
And Duddits yes! I consistently think that.
Bonzai, your math is off. LLL and I only account for 41+%. And while LLL is lapping the entire field with twice the posts of the next closest player, SFA and Bacon both have more posts than I do.
Is it? I get 47%. The point wasn't yelling or pointing fingers, it was that there is a lot to read before I figure out my vote.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
For the record I've read everything up to this point. I'm quiet, I know. I'm also a Townie again, so I have absolutely no idea who anyone else is at this point. This talking in circles is not making things any clearer for me.
The truth is that LLL AND SFA AND Viking could all be Townies. The back and forth and back and forth could be between two or even three innocent Townspeople while the Mafia just sit back and laugh.
Is it just me or are these Day 1 rounds getting longer and longer each game???
All of this is true. We just need to get this run-off over with and start afresh. It is likely that we have two Townies at this point. I'm not sure, but it is likely. Watch, Mafia will win and it will turn out to be Bonnie, LD and._____ insert name here, and we could have started this game off right keeping them in and won the gam.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
Post by CMPMGCTRCKS on Apr 16, 2012 16:14:42 GMT -5
I'll be around to chime in this evening. Just about to start the second part of my double-shift here. I read everything between shifts, and I'll give my opinion when I get home tonight!
All of this is true. We just need to get this run-off over with and start afresh. It is likely that we have two Townies at this point. I'm not sure, but it is likely. Watch, Mafia will win and it will turn out to be Bonnie, LD and._____ insert name here, and we could have started this game off right keeping them in and won the gam.
I cannot speak for LD, but I am not mafia.
I was being facetious. Kind of.
LLL>>>Viking
Obviously. Also, I wish instead of post counts we had a word count, cause I know I'm not in the lead when it comes to that.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
We're all a mess of paradoxes. Believing in things we know can't be true. We walk around carrying feelings too complicated and contradictory to express. But when it all becomes too big, and words aren't enough to help get it all out, there's always music.
Update 2: In the course of doing my research on the other post, I ran across this. This lie slipped by everyone, but if there is any doubt at this point after that as to who the liar is, This should settle it:
Also, everytime I have been a Townie, townies have won, so I had nothing to do with the Townies losing at all.
This is a flat out lie and LLL knows it. The benefit of doing research is that I know it too. Just a quick look back through Mafia 34, and LLL only won once (or twice) (35 and 46 if you count her as being inspector) as a townie, but lost twice (37 & 38). If you read nothing else in this post, read this, since it shows how she lies with 0 backup while tearing down my posts which are made of actual research
This is why I NEVER lie or modify facts to suit my needs. They come back to bite you in the @ss.
What does this even matter? Like I said earlier, she said the same thing in your first game. It had no effect on game play or votes. If you hadn't have brought it up I doudt anyone would even remember it.
What possible angle could she be working here? It's hilarious that you are so dead set on her and you main "facts" are all pretty much vauge commits that you've made important in your head.
LLL is right. If she is innocent and you keep basing everything off of stuff like this and people by into it, the townies will lose.
That's one reason I'm voting for you. I think you are being amazingly unhelpful to the townies and I frankly want nothing to do with another round of arguing with you. If she gets voted off and you come after me with your BS we are going to waste another round and more then likly loose the game.
So I was going to let this slide in the interest of a more peaceful game, but you know what. Fu*k you SFA. I spent 5 hours on that post, a good portion of which was spent answering questions and responding to comments you made, so Fu*k you.
I went back and read multiple games, reread this one many times both in fragements and all the way through in an attempt to help secure another townie win, and all you come back with is another personal insult on my sanity and again the way I play.
First off, you are doing a bad job at helping secure the townies a win. We've had this conversation before.
Second, did you really think I was going to brush off your posts and not say anything? Just let you try to get LLL voted off? I popped in from work. I had no time to reply.
For the benifits of the other players. I'll try to make it as brief as possible.
Just because you have played almost every game does not mean you know everything. This is my theory. If you want to take the time to break it down and do all the godd@mn research, go for it. But stop with the Fu*king personal attacks and then playing it off like I was the one who started it. That is the last time I ever answer a question from you. Ever.
This is why people should really second guess your research. Why are you always wrong about me? It's so weird. I started playing in like Mafia 32 or something? Bacon and Mike have both played longer then me. I've set out of 3 games, I think, and reffed 2. I've most certainly not played in every game and I don't think I know everything. I second guess myself all the time.
I'll stop trolling you when you stop talking about how quacking awesome you are. And implying we are wrong in the way we play and you are right. You ran Bacon into the ground over his playing history for absolutly no reason. It gets quacking old dude. Really quick I don't even think you have self awareness to realize how you come across sometimes and I honestly don't think you do it to be mean. You defo are a nice guy from conversations outside of this game but you rub people the wrong way in here.
I honestly hope i get whacked if LLL is voted off, so I can get out of this torture.
And no worries about never answering my questions. You can have this fucking game for all I'm concerned. The last 3 have been AWFUL!
Last Edit: Apr 16, 2012 18:10:21 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Update 2: In the course of doing my research on the other post, I ran across this. This lie slipped by everyone, but if there is any doubt at this point after that as to who the liar is, This should settle it:
This is a flat out lie and LLL knows it. The benefit of doing research is that I know it too. Just a quick look back through Mafia 34, and LLL only won once (or twice) (35 and 46 if you count her as being inspector) as a townie, but lost twice (37 & 38). If you read nothing else in this post, read this, since it shows how she lies with 0 backup while tearing down my posts which are made of actual research
This is why I NEVER lie or modify facts to suit my needs. They come back to bite you in the @ss.
What does this even matter? Like I said earlier, she said the same thing in your first game. It had no effect on game play or votes. If you hadn't have brought it up I doudt anyone would even remember it.
What possible angle could she be working here? It's hilarious that you are so dead set on her and you main "facts" are all pretty much vauge commits that you've made important in your head.
LLL is right. If she is innocent and you keep basing everything off of stuff like this and people by into it, the townies will lose.
That's one reason I'm voting for you. I think you are being amazingly unhelpful to the townies and I frankly want nothing to do with another round of arguing with you. If she gets voted off and you come after me with your BS we are going to waste another round and more then likly loose the game.
This matters because it was posted as you and LLL were questioning my veracity. I already posted long enough earlier today, and I refuse to chase after your wild geese anymore. My point is, lies come out when people actually take a look and do the research. I am not going to sit here and have you call me a liar and then let you or LLL get away with a lie.
And I agree with Duddits and Bonnie. These super long first rounds are horrible to go back and find anything useful from.
I would agree if the townies had not won the last two in a row. Looks like you long for the good old days and the 7 game townie losing streak. But hey, at least Day one only lasted 2-4 pages in those games.
So I was going to let this slide in the interest of a more peaceful game, but you know what. Fu*k you SFA. I spent 5 hours on that post, a good portion of which was spent answering questions and responding to comments you made, so Fu*k you.
I went back and read multiple games, reread this one many times both in fragements and all the way through in an attempt to help secure another townie win, and all you come back with is another personal insult on my sanity and again the way I play.
First off, you are doing a bad job at helping secure the townies a win. We've had this conversation before.
Second, did you really think I was going to brush off your posts and not say anything? Just let you try to get LLL voted off? I popped in from work. I had no time to reply.
For the benifits of the other players. I'll try to make it as brief as possible.
Just because you have played almost every game does not mean you know everything. This is my theory. If you want to take the time to break it down and do all the godd@mn research, go for it. But stop with the Fu*king personal attacks and then playing it off like I was the one who started it. That is the last time I ever answer a question from you. Ever.
This is why people should really second guess your research. Why are you always wrong about me? It's so weird. I started playing in like Mafia 32 or something? Bacon and Mike have both played longer then me. I've set out of 3 games, I think, and reffed 2. I've most certainly not played in every game and I don't think I know everything. I second guess myself all the time.
I'll stop trolling you when you stop talking about how quacking awesome you are. And implying we are wrong in the way we play and you are right. You ran Bacon into the ground over his playing history for absolutly no reason. It gets quacking old dude. Really quick I don't even think you have self awareness to realize how you come across sometimes and I honestly don't think you do it to be mean. You defo are a nice guy from conversations outside of this game but you rub people the wrong way in here.
I honestly hope i get whacked if LLL is voted off, so I can get out of this torture.
First off, when we had that conversation, I told you I was not going to change methods until It broke. It has not broke, so why fix it?
Second, I tried to take a step back and give you the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, you really are mafia, or your ego is too big to let you realize that you don't have all the answers in this game. You have added NOTHING this round to help the townies. All you have done is attack me. Even still, out of respect, I backed off, since what I had put together showed that you may not be mafia. I was willing to be civil and have an actual conversation, but it seems like you just want to continue to personally attack me. You never even read what I wrote before you posted what you did.
And with regards to your past playing experiences, since I have only gone back to 33, that is why it seems like you have played every game to me. I plan to go further back, but I was mad and it was not meant to be be a literal fact. You are grasping for straws SFA. I ran Bacon down since his method does not work. Period. And I will repeat that argument every time I play with him and he pulls his last minute switches.
Right now, it seems like I rub you and LLL the wrong way. I have no idea why you keep bringing in life outside of mafia, but if the way I play makes you not like me in life, that's your loss. Its a game and I take it very seriously, hence the hours of work I put into it. If you dont want to do that, as I have said in previous games, don't, it is your choice. But stop attacking me for the way I play for no good reason other than you don't like it. You have now done that 3 games in a row, and I am sick of it. You need to look in the mirror before you accuse someone else of having a big ego in this game.
At this point SFA, I will not respond to any post where you personally attack me or have no back up for what you are saying. I ran down all of your questions and answered all of them earlier today, and all I get from you are more butthurt statements.
Roonectar and Duddits, you both have votes on me. I do not think that SFA and LLL are going to change theirs. If you are going to keep them on me, can I ask why? Hakuna, Bonnie, and CMP, please feel free to ask me any questions if you need anything clarified, or have any questions why I did anything.
I have put all of my thoughts out there for everyone to see. Obviously, just like last game, this makes people very uncomfortable, especially if they are mafia. If you feel like I am wrong, or grasping at something that is not there, I would love to hear it and see from your point of view, especially from players not named SFA and LLL. I just want us to win another game, and have done what I could to make it happen.
Yes, I've done absolutly nothing. Thanks for pointing that out. Because you have been so very very helpful. Fuck it. You are incapable of reading into anything other people post besides what you want to see. This is an absolute waste of time.
You make this game about as fun cancer of the ass.
Townies, I'm 80% sure LLL is a townie. The only person she has had any negative words with is Viking. She hasn't been playing any different then any of the other louder players. I have no clue if Viking is mafia or not but I'll tell you this. If he is wrong about her and starts the second round going after me and being this out of control the townies will probably loose.
To the people that have played with me before. Give me a freaking break? Do you really think that LLL and I would play this way if we were mafia? Mike and Bonnie, you've been mafia with me. This is absolutly not how I play when I'm mafia. I would never recommend two members make such a sceen early on.
The best thing for the townies to do is to keep the player that is most level headed. Which if you look over the post on the last to pages it's pretty obvious who that is.
Viking is seriouslly going to wreck this game and there is also a decent chance he is mafia. It's definittly more likely then it being LLL, at least in my eyes.
Look at how she ended up in the second runoff. LD's explanation wasn't even based in the facts of the game. She had actually said it was weird that he ended up in the runoff and questions those voters intentions. CMP only said she is the most suspicious and really didn't go into detail. I'm not saying that makes either of them mafia but it's sort of strange that two quite players pushed her into the runoff
Even if both of them are townies, LLL would be the much better choice to take forward as Viking is just going to come after me with all his BS theories and we will have another useless round of fighting and not getting any closer to the real mafia.
Yes, I've done absolutly nothing. Thanks for pointing that out. Because you have been so very very helpful. quack it. You are incapable of reading into anything other people post besides what you want to see. This is an absolute waste of time.
You make this game about as fun cancer of the ass.
Townies, I'm 80% sure LLL is a townie. The only person she has had any negative words with is Viking. She hasn't been playing any different then any of the other louder players. I have no clue if Viking is mafia or not but I'll tell you this. If he is wrong about her and starts the second round going after me and being this out of control the townies will probably loose.
To the people that have played with me before. Give me a freaking break? Do you really think that LLL and I would play this way if we were mafia? Mike and Bonnie, you've been mafia with me. This is absolutly not how I play when I'm mafia. I would never recommend two members make such a sceen early on.
The best thing for the townies to do is to keep the player that is most level headed. Which if you look over the post on the last to pages it's pretty obvious who that is.
Viking is seriouslly going to wreck this game and there is also a decent chance he is mafia. It's definittly more likely then it being LLL, at least in my eyes.
Look at how she ended up in the second runoff. LD's explanation wasn't even based in the facts of the game. She had actually said it was weird that he ended up in the runoff and questions those voters intentions. CMP only said she is the most suspicious and really didn't go into detail. I'm not saying that makes either of them mafia but it's sort of strange that two quite players pushed her into the runoff
Even if both of them are townies, LLL would be the much better choice to take forward as Viking is just going to come after me with all his BS theories and we will have another useless round of fighting and not getting any closer to the real mafia.
Except for the fact that LLL has said 4 other people besides me are suspicious too, and she has tried to control the game.
Plus I already said I didn't think you were mafia anymore, so why would I come after you. This is game 46 all over again, when people were going to kill me for the way I play.
Just because you don't like how I play does not make me hot headed. If you had read what I wrote this morning, I showed how you and LLL were much more hot headed this round of Mafia. But since you just insulted me and moved on, you would not know that.
And it is only BS if I am wrong, and I don't think I am.
Actually, nevermind. LLL could be mafia and this he could be a the worst townie in the history of the game. Vote LLL off and then vote me off next round if you want to belive anything he says.
Grasping at straws by pointing out a factual error? You are truly a mafia headhunter. Jesus Christ.
Ok I took a bit of a hw break and for now I am holding my vote on LLL. Maybe WVL is being a terrible towny but if he were mafia he would literally be the worst mafia ever. I feel like either way I'm just guessing until we get to see the first whack.
This is going to be a very interesting result because it comes down to 3 players who we hve heard very little from making the decision. Even if we get it wrong we are going to know a lot more going into day 2.
Except for the fact that LLL has said 4 other people besides me are suspicious too, and she has tried to control the game.
The game is called mafia. People can't point out when they find some one suspicious? How do you figure that works? This is truly
Plus I already said I didn't think you were mafia anymore, so why would I come after you. This is game 46 all over again, when people were going to kill me for the way I play.
No, you said I was either mafia or had to big of an ego right above the post you quoted. Meaning, I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same stuff next round. Even if it's not me you will find someone else to think is going to fake inspector. You know like using something that came completly from your own head and somehow expect that to apply to another player and somehow make them mafia. WHEN IT WAS TOTALLY YOUR OWN CREATION and you somehow thought you could argue that made her more suspicious.
Yes, I want you out of the game because of the way that you are playing right now. Just like I voted EAP last game because I thought it was for the best to get rid of the drama. I think you are either mafia and just playing totally recklessly. You are a threat to the townies at this point and I feel your wild theories are going to get us killed.
Just because you don't like how I play does not make me hot headed. If you had read what I wrote this morning, I showed how you and LLL were much more hot headed this round of Mafia. But since you just insulted me and moved on, you would not know that.
I did read it and explained I was referring to the first big post. I've already explained that. Stop twisting things around.
And it is only BS if I am wrong, and I don't think I am.
I think you are trying way way way to hard to prove that.
Ok I took a bit of a hw break and for now I am holding my vote on LLL. Maybe WVL is being a terrible towny but if he were mafia he would literally be the worst mafia ever. I feel like either way I'm just guessing until we get to see the first whack.
This is going to be a very interesting result because it comes down to 3 players who we hve heard very little from making the decision. Even if we get it wrong we are going to know a lot more going into day 2.
I sort of feel like they would be tied for the worst mafia ever but I still think it was the best runoff going off of what we had to go on. I still feel Viking is trying way to hard to make her look guilty. I can't tell if it's malicious or just him creating things in his head. He's done it before. This is more like his ideas in his first game then in his second were he was pretty much right on target all game with sound ideas and logic.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to what those 3 have to say.
I don't have much, if anything, to add that hasn't been said already. When I look past all the non game related stuff, Viking is just about over-playing. You seem to be putting so much effort into making your point of view in depth and water tight, but I am seeing the side of why do you need to go through so much? Yes, you have been fairly thorough in past games, but this game just seems over the top. I have no idea if either of you are mafia or townies, but between the two, you look more like mafia than LLL in my perspective.
I don't have much, if anything, to add that hasn't been said already. When I look past all the non game related stuff, Viking is just about over-playing. You seem to be putting so much effort into making your point of view in depth and water tight, but I am seeing the side of why do you need to go through so much? Yes, you have been fairly thorough in past games, but this game just seems over the top. I have no idea if either of you are mafia or townies, but between the two, you look more like mafia than LLL in my perspective.
Mike D >> Viking
I don't know what to tell you. This is how I have played every game. I think I am right. I am going to die if people don't vote for me. I take the game seriously, and I don't like being personally attacked. Frankly as I said earlier today, I put out what I needed to, so I would be comfortable if you killed me, since I put all the facts out there. But what I would hate is that people get away with attacking me personally and then have me voted off. That's why I am as incensed as I am this game. I have not been attacked as much personally as I was in this game during the last 2 games.
Having said that, I am a townie and it would suck if you are a townie and you are voting off another townie.
Sorry Bacon, I just got home from work and once again it looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on, I'll try to make a decision as soon as possible.
Roonectar and Duddits, you both have votes on me. I do not think that SFA and LLL are going to change theirs. If you are going to keep them on me, can I ask why? Hakuna, Bonnie, and CMP, please feel free to ask me any questions if you need anything clarified, or have any questions why I did anything.
Honestly, I can't see a townie telling others to ask them questions like that.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
