Mafia 48 carnival of doom rebirth

no. sorry. put your vote in how you'd like before noon.

So I apologize. I got sucked into the modeselektor and then the Snoop & Dre sets tonight, and am in no condition to post. I will be on in the am and make sure I post with at least 2 hours to go prior to the deadline. For now, I need to go but my mind back in my head after getting it blown.

I'll stay logged in! Just so you know I'm either here or not here.

I'll also edit this post.

Shenanigans

Ok, so just finished catching up on the last 3 days and rereading the entire thread a few times. There has been a lot of crap thrown at me the last few days that is untrue, and I plan on breaking it down and citing both this game and past game. That post is going to take hours, so for now, I am locking in my vote on LLL. First and foremost, I believe her to be mafia. Second, I am dead right away if I move my vote.

I have not had the time to focus on Bonzai or LD specifically related to their past games, but I can see an argument either way there. I still think we have a couple of mafia members in the LLL, SFA, Bacon circle with another one in the quiet player deck, but LD and Bonzai WERE in the quiet area until that was highlighted.

I do not want to die prior to posting my long post breaking the last few days, but I cannot guarantee Ill get it done in the next 2 and a half hours. After that is up, you can all do what you want with me. If I am right, and I make it out of the runoff, I am going to get whacked anyways. I will be checking in as I work on my breakdown.

EAP to confirm, I am locked in on LLL.

Update 2: In the course of doing my research on the other post, I ran across this. This lie slipped by everyone, but if there is any doubt at this point after that as to who the liar is, This should settle it:



This is a flat out lie and LLL knows it. The benefit of doing research is that I know it too. Just a quick look back through Mafia 34, and LLL only won once (or twice) (35 and 46 if you count her as being inspector) as a townie, but lost twice (37 & 38). If you read nothing else in this post, read this, since it shows how she lies with 0 backup while tearing down my posts which are made of actual research

This is why I NEVER lie or modify facts to suit my needs. They come back to bite you in the @ss.

I am going to preface this post with an apology. After reading through the thread a few times, there is a lot that I would like to point out. Certain people have accused me of starting the muck throwing, and then accused me of being a liar. I am going to quote the posts that prove I am not. I am also going to quote the posts relevant to why I thought we had several mafia members in the LLL, Bacon, SFA triangle. (EDIT: prior to finishing, after a more in depth read, I think we have the right one of that triangle in the runoff with me right now. I think some of my posts may have drawn SFA and Bacon to think I am mafia. This was editted prior to posting it so I did not look shady)

Again, I am apologizing for the length in advance. A lot of it is quoted from earlier, but I think the quotes are relevant to prove both my veracity and to highlight some of the lies from LLL.



This was my first post, which apparently displeased LLL. I am putting it up here because I STILL have zero idea why she found it suspicious. I elaborated on my vote for Bacon the night before and LLL switched to me? At the time, I thought it may have been in defense of Mike D, but looking back now with 12 pages here, it looks like she may have been defending Bacon. EAP and CSTNZ pulled something similar to this last game, where I was getting warmer on CSTNZ, and then they did the rub off to EAP and got me going on her. Once they felt they had diffused me, they both turned their attack to me. That may have been what happened here.



Bacon's response to my post. He never reciprocated, and let LLL attack me and vote for me first.



Here LLL starts to accuse others of controlling the game, even as she says this is who she wants others to vote for. Also, she claims that no one else wants runoffs even though a few posts before, I asked for a runoff. She is also inserting Mike D back into it here, possibly to deemphasize the connection between her and Bacon and put distance between them.



I reposted my original response, since it has been twisted the last few days, and I think the content is still relevant.



This is right after she accuses others of controlling the game. She tries to take control again.



Her next post claiming not to control anything. Then she started running up the post count again. Why would you intentionally try to mess with the limited number of in thread facts we have? Yes, I know LLL posts a lot in all of her games and half the posts are not relevant, but here you are actually messing with data that I draw from. Also, remember this post for later when SFA comes back and says that only mafia mess with post counts, even though he knew full well that I have used them and log in times every game I have played.



THIS is the first insult post. You attacked me and called me cocky. I address my ego later on. I do not hide from it, but over the weekend, I was accused of starting the personal attacks on here, when in fact, she was the one to start it. SFA's post about owing them an apology from the weekend is way off base in light of the fact that LLL threw first mud. It would never have gotten as ugly if she did not go their first. Also, this is the start of both of them taking pot shots at how I play.



And this is my reply. Notice the lack of any personal attack.



So you can look at post counts, just not yours? 3 posts later, she says just don't look at post counts or log in times.



I did not notice it at the time, but LLL was the first to bring up the inspector. This faux anger at Bacon could be to throw us all off and later allow the faux inspector play. I am even more comfortable for posting what I did about it later in the game.



LLL starts the name calling and then gets on her High Horse and calls it BS.



The person you are referring to was Phi in Day 3 of Game 46. And if you remember right, I was the only person to take the step back you asked for causing the runoff in the first place, even though Phi looked EXTREMELY guilty at that point. I went back to phi in the runoff, since I am stubborn like that, but you would have been whacked that night if I had not stepped back. And we would have still one, just not in day 3.

Also, here you accuse me of spider spinning, when all I have done is pull out facts about you LLL. Its what I always do, but you are accusing me of spinning webs. Thats why this post is so long. You and SFA have accused me of lying from this point on. So to prove that I am not, I am quoting so people can see I am not spinning any webs. Just shinning a light where you obviously do not want it shown at this point.



This is my originally response to post count drive. It is still relevant, and also, as I state here, roonectar make things up about me last game, just like others have done much more subtly this game.



This is her second post in a row about how she dislikes my use of facts. I NEVER said I was always right in a single post. I said that I was getting more accurate, but the point is to turn over rocks so that my other townies can see whats under them and have the benefit of a distanced perspective. Yet, she now says I think I am always right. This is what I mean about her spinning things. She does the same thing to Bonzai later. Also, she accuses me of manipulating when all I did was quote her.



Another personal attack on me. The only thing I have said personal about her was a one liner earlier in the thread, and she has now piled on several full posts at this point belittling me. This leads to my pissed off response later that evening.



And now you say sometimes you are acting and sometimes not. Granted that a lot of people act in this game, but you also call yourself manic here, so I don't understand why you felt what I said was so bad. Also, your response here was so over the top, that Mike D had to come back and basically reassure you line by line that he did not mean to offend you.



Reposting my post from that evening, since it caused SFA and LLL to both get pretty pissed. It is also the post where I gave the watch out on LLL being fake inspector, which is still a valid watch out, more so now than ever.



So this is her response to what I wrote. Again, she is attacking data and calling my opinions facts, in order to discount the evidence.



SFA being good and experienced is a fact. However, asking for him to support you when you don't know if he is a townie, mafia, or inspector is very suspicious. Also, I never said I was god's gift. I go into that in some depth in my follow up post as outlined below. At this point, I become emotionally vested and I regret that now, but I never got personal in it and I never claimed to be god's gift. Mean while, she continues the personal attacks on me and continues to denigrate me.



My response. The last portion is especially relevant.



This is a flat out lie and LLL knows it. The benefit of doing research is that I know it too. Just a quick look back through Mafia 34, and LLL only won once (or twice) (35 and 46 if you count her as being inspector) as a townie, but lost twice (37 & 38). If you read nothing else in this post, read this, since it shows how she lies with 0 backup while tearing down my posts which are made of actual research



This is after 2 other posts calling me mafia. Also, you already had called me nuts but then say you won't. Again, if this had been me saying this, everyone would be up in arms.



This and several other SFA responses that evening make me regret linking him to LLL. I think I was wrong about him and I think going so hard on my theory against LLL caused him to have to defend himself and toss me in the runoff later. Not saying that his last minute toss was not suspicious, or that he is innocent, just in rereading things, he looks a lot less likely to be linked.



I didn't attack you as a person. I find it very interesting that it took you 6 pages to come back to my single personal comment. Also, I didn't bang on Bacon's style for no reason. I banged on it, since it has proven that it does not work. Mine has not been proven not to work yet. Frankly, going forward I do not thing we should need a DSM guide for everyone in this game. I apologize for what I said, but you attacked first.

also this is the first post (6 pages later) where she addressed why she changed for me in the first place, and has 6 pages of her working up that I am attacking her personally. If you put this right after her original vote, it makes no sense, but her, it is able to sail through after all the ground work she laid.



The difference is that I pull from your actual quotes (and quote you correctly and in full instead of partial quotes and just making things up. I also draw from things that admittedly dont always work including edits, log intimes, and post count. Plus I have charted back to mafia 34, even though I didnt play in most of those games, to prepare for my first game, and to make me a better player.

I also draw the distinction between what is a fact, and what is a theory. You jumble the two and then lie on top of it as outlined above. And then you accused me of attacking you personally, when you have been attacking me all game.



Since I am running low on character count for this post already, I passed over a few talking about chivalry, and just included this one. At this point, you have found Me, Bacon, SFA, and Bonzai all fishy. This is how townies get sucked in. By accusing everyone else, you take the spotlight off you and put it on other people. On the other hand, I have just gotten more and more suspicious of you and for good reasons as outlined above.



Another personal attack.



This is the post where SFA tossed me in right before the runoff. I included it for a few reasons. SFA, in Mafia 42 you got upset with phi the inspector. It was not 45. I labelled it wrong since i was in a rush in the am to get my family out the door and i was on my android. I didn't read SFA right in my first game (mafia 46) but had an easier time in 47, and knew who he was prior to the reset. As I said earlier, in reading back, I think he may be a townie this game, but I am still confused about the last second toss in. Compromising the real inspector would be a bad thing, but I think she is mafia, and not the inspector. A real inspector would not be this reckless unless they had the names of multiple mafia members like I thought I did before this game got cancelled. What kind of inspector would label 4 different people as suspicious at this point? I am sorry that you do not like the move, but I would do the same thing in a future game if need be. Also, your forgetting about when I thought you would pull fake inspector in 46. I wrote about it that night, so i am not going to reinclude that, but I thought I would mention it again.



And here is where LLL lies about who started the personal attacks. As previously quoted, she DID call me cocky, and now twists it to say it is only how I play the game. The thing is, I like LLL outside this game, and I would never say she has a persecution complex outside of here. She keeps bringing the game into the realm of Real life though to get the emotional reaction. I said Nothing about things outside the game that you didn't mention first. The incredible part is the last line most applies the herself. If anyone should be embarrassed, it is you, LLL.

Sorry it was too short. Can you up the character limit? Part 2 is almost done

This is insane.

SFA >>> VIKING

Just so everyone knows were I stand.

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You are correct, I forgot I even played in that game I was voted off so early. Nice work Viking.

So I was going to let this slide in the interest of a more peaceful game, but you know what. Fu*k you SFA. I spent 5 hours on that post, a good portion of which was spent answering questions and responding to comments you made, so Fu*k you.

I went back and read multiple games, reread this one many times both in fragements and all the way through in an attempt to help secure another townie win, and all you come back with is another personal insult on my sanity and again the way I play.

Just because you have played almost every game does not mean you know everything. This is my theory. If you want to take the time to break it down and do all the godd@mn research, go for it. But stop with the Fu*king personal attacks and then playing it off like I was the one who started it. That is the last time I ever answer a question from you. Ever.

Hahahahaha.

The world will not come to an end if you lose. It will not come to an end if Mafia win. It will not come to an end if you get voted off, nor will my world come to an end if I get voted off. It's really not that big of a deal to be spending 5 hours on. Have an afternoon cocktail maybe?

Sorry. As I said, I spent 5 hours on that post, not counting the initial read through and posts and as I said, I was going to let the comment slide. But I was on a call with a client and it kept eating at me, and I got so pissed off that I essentially wasted my entire morning typing that out and doing research for a game, and explaining my thoughts. I am still furious that SFA just brushed it all off with a personal insult and called me insane, but I am going to walk away for a while and cool off before I post again.

Stepping out of the game, thanks LLL, I needed that. I am always very aggressive when competing at anything, and really hate losing. That's why I dump so much time into this game. Sometimes, I need the cold water to the face to restore sanity.

Back to the game, we are essentially at the standoff I was with EAP last game. I believe I got it right in this. SFA's last comment does not change the fact that I may have been wrong about him being mafia. I stand by what I posted and will update as needed to clarify based on any questions everyone has.