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Post by SwiggitySwoodyComin4DatBooty on May 6, 2012 22:02:48 GMT -5
I think the last legitimately good movie I saw in theater was "No Country for Old Men".
But what ever happened to the great films (i.e. thinkers like the early Tarantino flicks, "The Usual Suspects", etc. Genuinely funny comedies like "Office Space", "Dumb and Dumber" whose characters were actually believable)
Heck, even intentionally stupid movies back then ("Starship Troopers" yep, I said it) were better than the intentionally stupid movies of today (see: Date Movie, Epic Movie.. any "_____ Movie" movie, etc)
I think the last legitimately good movie I saw in theater was "No Country for Old Men".
But what ever happened to the great films (i.e. thinkers like the early Tarantino flicks, "The Usual Suspects", etc. Genuinely funny comedies like "Office Space", "Dumb and Dumber" whose characters were actually believable)
Heck, even intentionally stupid movies back then ("Starship Troopers" yep, I said it) were better than the intentionally stupid movies of today (see: Date Movie, Epic Movie.. any "_____ Movie" movie, etc)
Good thread. It's both. One thing is for sure: most people don't like to watch movies to think. That's the way it is, and it sucks.
Movies have always been crap. People like stupid stuff. The most popular theater in the 1920s was terrible. We just forget the awful popular tripe and act like the excellent art was what the whole time period always was.
A lot of people go to the movies for escapism. The best way to escape into a film is to just turn your brain off and enjoy the ride, much like popular action flicks, superhero movies, and CGI extravaganzas allow. Unfortunately once Hollywood execs catch on to the idea that you can spend much less on talent and production and still turn a potentially handsome profit, you get half of wide releases being more than just stupid, but god awful and insulting to our intelligence.
And it is somewhat sad these days that a "smart" blockbuster like Inception will come along and get condemned by a certain circle of critics and audience for making us think too much.
so instead of asking which is dumber: it would be better to note a cause and effect of sorts. People enjoy dumb shit, so studios give us dumb movies.
My husband and I are really into movies. There's almost nothing we won't see. We may not like it all but we go in with open minds and you just take it for what it is - whether it's a cheesy disaster movie or an obscure indie movie.
But to say there aren't any good movies out now is crazy and to say that everyone who watches the "awful" ones are stupid isn't accurate.
There are plenty of people that enjoy all kinds of movies and can enjoy them for what they are.
Post by natedagreat on May 7, 2012 21:14:48 GMT -5
There will always be bad apples, sure. But, the huge increase in senseless, time-wasting "works of cinema" is making me lose hope for the movie industry and the movie as an art form as well. And, everyday, I lose a little more hope in humanity. People are dumb.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Last year was kind of a down year for movies, but this year has been pretty damn good so far and only looks to get better. I really don't see any reason for any fan of any kind of film to complain about this year. There is great looking big budget entertainment fare. There is great looking arty micro budget fare. There is great Oscar baiting lavish production fare.
PT Anderson, Christopher Nolan, Ang Lee, Judd Apatow, Baz Luhrman, Steven Spielberg, David Cronenberg, Spike Lee, Kathryn Bigelow, David O Russell, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott Quentin Tarantino and Wes Anderson are all putting out new movies. Alfonso Cuaron is finally releasing the 3D Sci-Fi movie he's been working on forever. Sam Mendes is getting to direct a Bond movie. We're getting not one, but two Will Ferrell comedies this year. Martin McDonagh, Lee Daniels, John Hillcoat, Jeff Nichols, David Chase, Ben Affleck, Rian Johnson, Nicolas Winding Refn and Andrew Dominick are all going to have a shot to build on their early success. Tony Gilroy is doing a Bourne reboot with Jeremy Renner finally getting a shot at carrying an action movie.
That's not even getting into the festival and foreign fare that's coming down the pike after Cannes and Toronto.
Last Edit: May 7, 2012 22:30:00 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Last year was kind of a down year for movies, but this year has been pretty damn good so far and only looks to get better. I really don't see any reason for any fan of any kind of film to complain about this year. There is great looking big budget entertainment fare. There is great looking arty micro budget fare. There is great Oscar baiting lavish production fare.
PT Anderson, Christopher Nolan, Ang Lee, Judd Apatow, Baz Luhrman, Steven Spielberg, David Cronenberg, Spike Lee, Kathryn Bigelow, David O Russell, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott Quentin Tarantino and Wes Anderson are all putting out new movies. Alfonso Cuaron is finally releasing the 3D Sci-Fi movie he's been working on forever. Sam Mendes is getting to direct a Bond movie. We're getting not one, but two Will Ferrell comedies this year. Martin McDonagh, Lee Daniels, John Hillcoat, Jeff Nichols, David Chase, Ben Affleck, Rian Johnson, Nicolas Winding Refn and Andrew Dominick are all going to have a shot to build on their early success. Tony Gilroy is doing a Bourne reboot with Jeremy Renner finally getting a shot at carrying an action movie.
That's not even getting into the festival and foreign fare that's coming down the pike after Cannes and Toronto.
I agree. And to take it further I honestly can't think of a year where we didn't get some great movies. I think people that complain about the movies out really have blinders on or don't know where to look. Or maybe they are set on one kind of genre and don't open their minds to other things?
There will always be bad apples, sure. But, the huge increase in senseless, time-wasting "works of cinema" is making me lose hope for the movie industry and the movie as an art form as well. And, everyday, I lose a little more hope in humanity. People are dumb.
I would say you're dumb for making such a broad accusation. As it has been stated, production companies are going to do what makes money, and maybe that means making movies that you consider dumb, and believe me, my girlfriend watches plenty of movies I consider dumb, but to say there's no hope for the art of film making is just....well....dumb.
Pick a year where you considered filmmaking to be at it's peak, and I will find plenty of horrible movies made that year.
EDIT: Or basically what chicojuarz already said.
Last Edit: May 7, 2012 22:42:21 GMT -5 by Deleted - Back to Top
Last year was kind of a down year for movies, but this year has been pretty damn good so far and only looks to get better. I really don't see any reason for any fan of any kind of film to complain about this year. There is great looking big budget entertainment fare. There is great looking arty micro budget fare. There is great Oscar baiting lavish production fare.
PT Anderson, Christopher Nolan, Ang Lee, Judd Apatow, Baz Luhrman, Steven Spielberg, David Cronenberg, Spike Lee, Kathryn Bigelow, David O Russell, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott Quentin Tarantino and Wes Anderson are all putting out new movies. Alfonso Cuaron is finally releasing the 3D Sci-Fi movie he's been working on forever. Sam Mendes is getting to direct a Bond movie. We're getting not one, but two Will Ferrell comedies this year. Martin McDonagh, Lee Daniels, John Hillcoat, Jeff Nichols, David Chase, Ben Affleck, Rian Johnson, Nicolas Winding Refn and Andrew Dominick are all going to have a shot to build on their early success. Tony Gilroy is doing a Bourne reboot with Jeremy Renner finally getting a shot at carrying an action movie.
That's not even getting into the festival and foreign fare that's coming down the pike after Cannes and Toronto.
Yeah, I keep forgetting about Cuarons Gravity. That one could blow em all away. Pacific Rim will be something to look forward to in 2013 as well.
-When I Hear My Name -Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground -Blue Orchid -Passive Manipulation -Red Rain -Death Letter -My Doorbell -Hotel Yorba -Same Boy You've Always Known -Lovesick -Little Ghost -We're Going to Be Friends -The Hardest Button to Button -Black Math -The Nurse -I Just Don't Know What to Do With Myself
Encore: -Ball and Biscuit -Seven Nation Army -Screwdriver
Post by SwiggitySwoodyComin4DatBooty on May 8, 2012 9:39:37 GMT -5
Many good points, I seem to have stirred up some shiznit.
I guess I am just overwhelmed by the vast amount of movies that make you feel like you just waste 1.5-2 hours of your life after you watch them. It's harder all the time to find decent films on Netflix. And with the people being dumber thing, I guess that was just kinda a joking way to say that we are far too easily amused. I'm not saying everyone is stupid, I love people. But when I see a movie, I do want to think most of the time. I love brainless movies too sometimes, but there is so much more brainless stuff than true substance and decent writing/acting.
But just look at the top sellers at the box office last year: Hall Pass, No Strings Attached, The Green Hornet, The Right, etc. True Grit was good, but you can't honestly say that the majority of number one movies last year didn't suck.
