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Post by losinmyrooligion on May 23, 2012 21:51:07 GMT -5
My mistake. I reread the law and what it is, is that if you have a license, you automatically agree to submit to sobriety tests if the police think you are under the influence. If someone is driving your car drunk, then your car would be impounded, but the charges would be all theirs. Good to know. Better safe than sorry!
No, it's not against the law to carry large sums of money. I never said that it was. Also, I read about this and watched a video where the man was interviewed, and he himself said that he was traveling for business, and that he had the cash onhand because he was trying to buy a car via internet auction.
Next, I have been told, by friends and family in Law Enforcement, as well as by clients I have served (sheriff's departments and city police), that in order for a police officer to search your car (legally), they must have a warrant, and in order to get a warrant, they must have probable cause. A Judge must approve the warrant before the officer can search your vehicle, and some judges are less picky than others about the details of the probable cause. K-9s are one way to get probable cause, and they are pretty much indisputable, but there are other ways. A torch lighter can be enough to get probable cause for a warrant, and in some cities near where I live, an officer can use "He was speeding, and his car smells funny." as probable cause. Now, warrants can take a little while to get, a couple hours some times, and they have the right to detain you during this time, so, you could spend several hours sitting around waiting for them to search your vehicle. All that said, as it has been mentioned on this thread, state troopers are the least likely to give you any trouble. My cousin is a state trooper, and he has told me numerous times that his general rule is that he will only pull someone over if they are driving more than 10 miles per hour over the POSTED speed limit, and even then, he doesn't always write a ticket. His main motives are: one, let people see State Troopers in action, as it typically makes them more alert, and more likely to drive a little safer, and two, to snoop around for drugs, or signs of drugs. My reccomendations for driving through the mediocre state of tennessee: (1) stay on the interstate as much as possible, (2) if you get off the interstate, observe the speed limit, (3) while on the interstate inside city limits, try to keep your speed to no more than 5MPH over the posted speed limit.
Finally, I define liberty as the right to live free of oppression, and I don't consider a cop legally searching your property and taking your bank roll because he thinks you might be a drug dealer to be oppression, at least not as long as you get it back.
It's not my intent to argue, I just wanted to be clear about what I was saying.
I can agree with the above post about state troopers. My best friends uncle is a captain for the troopers. He works Bonnaroo every year. I also hear all I have to do is drop his name to make all other cops tail tuck between their legs, even city and county cops. Luckily I haven't had the chance to do that yet. The biggest thing I have learned with my radar detector and especially for troopers is that when they are sitting on the side of the interstate they really aren't trying to get you most of the time. More than 50% of the time when I pass one on the interstate they don't even have there radar on. Agreeing with the above post again they are just trying to make a presence. I really big disclaimer I need to put in though is that Bonnaroo week is their money week. Still though, don't be worried about the marked cars. The under covers are the ones you have to worry about. With that said and it has been said already but I will stress it again wear your seatbelt, don't speed, make sure your tags are up to date, all of your lights work(especially the rear ones) and just don't bring anything you shouldn't. The under covers will roll up on you out of no where, turn their radar on to see if you are speeding then fly off to the next target if you are not. Trust me, I know that one from experience. My passenger was doing something he shouldn't have on the way in Sunday night to see DMB. If you are not local you are a target during Bonnaroo week.
I-40 is a major corridor for the transportation of NO NO WORD!!! and money. My understanding is the druqs go east while money goes west. This isn't the first exposure of these kind of stops that I've seen. In fact I've seen news stories where separate police departments were tripping over themselves to pull people over, creating bad blood between departments in the process.
Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the way this story shakes out and I don't like that at all.
Fasten your seat belts, keep both hands on the wheel, and set your cruise controls on the way to Bonnaroo. The good time will be waiting for you in Manchester, no reason to rush!
Oddly enough the drug task force people are always facing the west side of the interstate.
Post by tommyboy7328 on May 24, 2012 9:12:33 GMT -5
I absolutly agree nature boy.
There has been several major busts on the interstates in middle TN in just the last couple of months.
Crooked, lazy and no good cops are everywhere though not just in TN i assure you as i live here but am originally from NY. Case and point: I went to work yesterday at 4am and was startled to find a cop sitting with his lights off just in front of my shop facing the road. The thing is my shop is at the back of the pet cemetery that i run and it is about 100 yards from the road so he couldn't be watching traffic. He says i startled him and i believe so because i think he was sleeping and didn't know that some one would come to work there that early.
What ever happened to serve and protect?? I am well aware that there are good hard working cops to and i respect them. Always "bad apples"
Oh well, just be smart and be safe so we can not stress such things for the precious time we are together on the farm.
I'd also like to point out that the area this fella was stopped in is basically the Meth Capital of the South. Monterey is on the Cumberland Plateau which produces a RIDICULOUS amount of meth.
And as a disclaimer, I'm not saying what this cop did was right at all, but sometimes it helps to be knowledgeable on the background of areas/situations.
I'd also like to point out that the area this fella was stopped in is basically the Meth Capital of the South. Monterey is on the Cumberland Plateau which produces a RIDICULOUS amount of meth.
And as a disclaimer, I'm not saying what this cop did was right at all, but sometimes it helps to be knowledgeable on the background of areas/situations.
I'd also like to point out that the area this fella was stopped in is basically the Meth Capital of the South. Monterey is on the Cumberland Plateau which produces a RIDICULOUS amount of meth.
And as a disclaimer, I'm not saying what this cop did was right at all, but sometimes it helps to be knowledgeable on the background of areas/situations.
Since when is being lost probably cause, though?
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Like I said, I don't think what the cop did was right. BUT, these cops are suspicious because of the high amount of drug activity in the area.
Be courteous and honest and usually you'll get the same in return.
Last year my car got pulled over...It was night time.....there was no long lines.....We were all wearing seatbelts....but the police officer said that he pulled us over because the driver wasn't wearing a seat belt. The driver told him that he was wearing a seat belt and we got to drive on. They are hungry, like wolves.
Post by natedagreat on May 24, 2012 10:00:29 GMT -5
I have heard of this practice before. The usual case is an individual who has connections/relations with known felons or crossing state lines with a large amount of cash. The crossing state lines excuse has to do with tax differences between states. A large enough amount of money combined with motive could land you a tax evasion charge. However this is all still ridiculous. There's no way they can keep the money if they can't prove you were doing anything illegal. The cop in this article should be reprimanded. Another thing: the cops can not hold you against your will without a proper signed warrant or a charge to give you that would put you in cuffs. As stated already, if they are attempting to get a warrant, they have no right to keep you there until the warrant is validated. Just don't take off without telling the officer you can not wait and will be leaving. I had a buddy who knew the law, wasn't going to wait on a warrant and just left while the cop was sitting in his car. Ended up getting charged with attempt to flee and got his car searched for that reason alone. Just mind your P's & Q's and be aware of how you say things. The biggest trick in a cop's book is twisting your words to allow them to do what they want to do.
be sure to check your vehicle to make sure all your lights/turn signals registration stickers, license plate light ...all this stuff is working and in place...
burned out lights get their attention and gets their foot in the door.
Is there a seat beat law in TN? I 'm wearing the stupid thing just in case...
Very smart...
If you are going to break a law, then only break one at a time.
Meaning....if you are going to speed, then don't drink. If your tag is expired, don't carry no-nos.....etc.
And yes, there is a seatbelt law....ALSO a law that you have to move over if passing an emergency vehicle on the side of the road. Seems they are getting rough with this one too.....drive safely.
Is there a seat beat law in TN? I 'm wearing the stupid thing just in case...
Wait - would you not wear a seatbelt in the absence of such a law? I mean, it's your life, but still.
In good ole Georgia, you do not have to wear a seatbelt in the cab of a truck or in the backseat of any vehicle. I know it's probably stupid but when driving my truck, I never wear a seatbelt. Maybe it's the libertarian in me practicing all my rights, maybe I feel more comfortable. I'm not sure but I can do it and do it often
Post by MonkeyLoverGirl on May 24, 2012 11:19:37 GMT -5
Just obey rules and be safe coming into Tn, stay on the interstate if possible. The police are looking for any and every reason to pull someone over especially the weekend of Roo, in the small outskirt towns of Manchester..... Manchester makes a lot of money off Roo, the other small counties make money off the traffic stops and the abundance of the NO NO WORD'S they may catch through the traffic stops in their counties..
The cops are crooked around here. About 7 years ago a guy tried to break down my door at 3:00am and he threatened to kill me if I didn't open up. He was tweaking and confused my apartment with his friend's place. I called the police and they found him at a party in the building next door. The cop brought him over and said, "He's going to apologize to you". I told her that I wanted to press charges because he scared me to death. She said that she knew him and that she wasn't going to let me press charges. I looked at the guy and said, "If you ever come near me or my apartment again...". The cop looked at me and said, "Ma'am, are you threatening him?" I was like, "Are you serious? He threatened to kill me if I didn't let him in and he tried to kick my door in!" She could have cared less. I tried reporting her to her sergeant and he didn't care either. Don't trust a cop in TN...Cuz I sure as hell don't!
Like I said, I don't think what the cop did was right. BUT, these cops are suspicious because of the high amount of NO NO WORD!!! activity in the area.
Be courteous and honest and usually you'll get the same in return.
Sorry, I wasn't directing this at you, more thinking aloud. Courtesy and honesty only get you so far. I shall not get into the details, but let's just say I was as courteous and honest with a cop as possible, and then he illegally searched my stuff and it became a big mess. If a cop is on a power trip, the only person that can stop them is someone with more power (his boss). Being nice won't mean a damn thing if he's set his mind on writing citations or whatnot.
Maybe it's the libertarian in me practicing all my rights, maybe I feel more comfortable. I'm not sure but I can do it and do it often
I had no idea that any particular faux-political idealogy prevented one from exercising safety in the use of a motor vehicle.
Faux political ideology? What on earth is that supposed to mean? Libertarianism has been practiced for hundreds of years. I'm not sure what you're trying to allude to but if you are asserting that libertarianism is not creditable, I'm at a loss of words. Simply means that as a practicing libertarian, I use my rights as I see fit and do not stand in the way of others doing the same, whether it applies to a seatbelt law or carrying a firearm is regardless. Please explain what makes libertarianism a faux political ideology?
I had no idea that any particular faux-political idealogy prevented one from exercising safety in the use of a motor vehicle.
Faux political ideology? What on earth is that supposed to mean? Libertarianism has been practiced for hundreds of years. I'm not sure what you're trying to allude to but if you are asserting that libertarianism is not creditable, I'm at a loss of words. Simply means that as a practicing libertarian, I use my rights as I see fit and do not stand in the way of others doing the same, whether it applies to a seatbelt law or carrying a firearm is regardless. Please explain what makes libertarianism a faux political ideology?
I had no idea that any particular faux-political idealogy prevented one from exercising safety in the use of a motor vehicle.
Faux political ideology? What on earth is that supposed to mean? Libertarianism has been practiced for hundreds of years. I'm not sure what you're trying to allude to but if you are asserting that libertarianism is not creditable, I'm at a loss of words. Simply means that as a practicing libertarian, I use my rights as I see fit and do not stand in the way of others doing the same, whether it applies to a seatbelt law or carrying a firearm is regardless. Please explain what makes libertarianism a faux political ideology?
Anything that doesnt match Juggs' ideology is faux. You didnt know? He knows everything and is always right...DANG MAN!!!
Please explain what makes libertarianism a faux political ideology?
Well, basically, it's the kind of tripe peddled by pipe-smoking college sophomores who have just completed "Political Science 108: Basic Political Philosphy."
Hahaha. Well Juggs, I knew this day would come after all my lurking on the boards. Didn't even realize it was you until I looked at your profile. Honestly, I'm a big fan, you're fucking hilarious. I am a libertarian, doesn't make me like the little "Trustafarians" that make up the majority of college populations these days. I honestly believe everyone should have all the rights and liberties associated with living on this planet so that they may do what they may without harming other individuals and at the same time have a strict, no hand outs fiscal policy. This ideology became my own not in college, but while enlisted in the Army. It's just a low thing to call ones political ideology preferences faux. In the words of Voltaire: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
You can practice your right to jump off a bridge, but that doesn't make it a good idea if you enjoy being alive. If you don't want to wear a seatbelt that is totally fine, but saying you're doing it because of your political views seems a little silly. /2cents
Anyway. Do what fianzo said. If you are stopped and they say they are bringing K9s just ask if you are being detained or are free to go. I've done it before, and it worked.
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You can practice your right to jump off a bridge, but that doesn't make it a good idea if you enjoy being alive. If you don't want to wear a seatbelt that is totally fine, but saying you're doing it because of your political views seems a little silly. /2cents True dat
Well that went better than expected, enjoy some diddly swag.
Also want to reiterate the law about getting over for stopped emergency vehicles. I had two friends get pulled over for not doing this, even though they were blocked in their lane (at least this is what they told me). Either way the cops seem in TN seem to be strict about this.
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