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I used to go to a festival in Canada every year. It was called WEMF. It was always a blast and I saw some really good acts there. They stopped the festival a few years ago then brought it back again last year. But it looks like they are going the same route of EDM as everyone else. I could be wrong though because I only glanced at the line-up.
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Never mind. I just took another look. It's actually pretty diverse.
Haha yeah many of the artists people here are begging for started in the '90s.
Maybe this is stupid, but for whatever reason I feel like those artists had a better sense of songcraft than many modern artists. Acts like the Chems, Daft Punk, Underworld, Basement Jaxx, etc. made music that was undoubtedly quality and had a level of craft to it, but was also friendly and accessible and easy to like. It was good music without being dumbed down.
By contrast, it seems to me like much of the EDM I enjoy nowadays isn't nearly as accessible - I love Fly Lo, but his brand of glitchy mania isn't exactly a beat that's always easy to groove to. It's more "headphone" music. Even some of the stuff that's more melodic, catchy or carries a "hook" (for lack of better term) is done on a smaller scale (thinking of SBTRKT). Outside of that, the bigger, poppier EDM tends to go for a complete dumb-down to attract an audience - you get a hook, and you get a nice rhythm and danceable bits, but you lose the craft and have it replaced with these broad strokes designed to lure the common mouthbreather into a frenzy. It loses the nuance.
I guess the thing with the 90's acts that have been mentioned is that they straddled this line perfectly - DP, Underworld, BJ, Chems...they all had the big moments, the peaks, the buildup, the hooks, but they did it with a sense of dignity and a real dedication to the artform. I don't see a ton of that around these days.
I agree for the most part with all of this but there have been some pretty big blips on the radar. Especially in the bands like Hot Chip, LCD, and Art V Science that are pushing the genre in new directions by adding a lot more live music to the EDM mix.
Juggs it's interesting that you mention how EDM has caught on differently with mainstream audience. You are totally right. And to clarify I simply mean that 12 or so years ago EDM was pretty popular in it's own right, it had it's own little corner. Now you can turn on pop radio and hear most the sogns (from R&B to rap to whatever) all having EDM as an influence. I think Lady GaGa was what really brought this to what it has grown to the last couple years. When she came out with Just Dance and all those songs is when I first started noticing that literally every song on the radio can now double as "club music" for lack of a better term. This in turn has caused more people to embrace the EDM trend which is why it's so much more popular now than it has been in quite some time.
Totally not trying to come across as snobby or anything like that. I just think that EDM is where it is today because pop artists began to incorporate into their music which obviously gets heard by a lot more people. This could also be where the "dumbing down" comes in.
Juggs it's interesting that you mention how EDM has caught on differently with mainstream audience. You are totally right. And to clarify I simply mean that 12 or so years ago EDM was pretty popular in it's own right, it had it's own little corner. Now you can turn on pop radio and hear most the sogns (from R&B to rap to whatever) all having EDM as an influence. I think Lady GaGa was what really brought this to what it has grown to the last couple years. When she came out with Just Dance and all those songs is when I first started noticing that literally every song on the radio can now double as "club music" for lack of a better term. This in turn has caused more people to embrace the EDM trend which is why it's so much more popular now than it has been in quite some time.
Totally not trying to come across as snobby or anything like that. I just think that EDM is where it is today because pop artists began to incorporate into their music which obviously gets heard by a lot more people. This could also be where the "dumbing down" comes in.
I completely agree, except I think the floodgates opened with Kanye's - Stronger.
Maybe this is stupid, but for whatever reason I feel like those artists had a better sense of songcraft than many modern artists. Acts like the Chems, Daft Punk, Underworld, Basement Jaxx, etc. made music that was undoubtedly quality and had a level of craft to it, but was also friendly and accessible and easy to like. It was good music without being dumbed down.
By contrast, it seems to me like much of the EDM I enjoy nowadays isn't nearly as accessible - I love Fly Lo, but his brand of glitchy mania isn't exactly a beat that's always easy to groove to. It's more "headphone" music. Even some of the stuff that's more melodic, catchy or carries a "hook" (for lack of better term) is done on a smaller scale (thinking of SBTRKT). Outside of that, the bigger, poppier EDM tends to go for a complete dumb-down to attract an audience - you get a hook, and you get a nice rhythm and danceable bits, but you lose the craft and have it replaced with these broad strokes designed to lure the common mouthbreather into a frenzy. It loses the nuance.
I guess the thing with the 90's acts that have been mentioned is that they straddled this line perfectly - DP, Underworld, BJ, Chems...they all had the big moments, the peaks, the buildup, the hooks, but they did it with a sense of dignity and a real dedication to the artform. I don't see a ton of that around these days.
I agree for the most part with all of this but there have been some pretty big blips on the radar. Especially in the bands like Hot Chip, LCD, and Art V Science that are pushing the genre in new directions by adding a lot more live music to the EDM mix.
I think Lady GaGa was what really brought this to what it has grown to the last couple years. When she came out with Just Dance and all those songs is when I first started noticing that literally every song on the radio can now double as "club music" for lack of a better term. This in turn has caused more people to embrace the EDM trend which is why it's so much more popular now than it has been in quite some time.
I can think of on really mainstream pop song that had definite use of EMD right off the top of my head. 2006 Christina Aguilera's Ain't No Other Man single used a breakbeat for the entire song. I used to frequent the Toronto rave scene a lot in the late 90's and early 00's so I know my breaks.
Of course there are exceptions to what I said. I just didn't notice EVERY song using techno-ish kind of music until the past couple years. It went from a few people using to now literally almost every top 40 song I hear is EDM with vocals.
I made this a collaborative playlist, so everyone should be able to add tracks to it. If you see an artist missing, try to throw some tracks up you find are representative of the artist's style.
If someone does add some tracks let me know, I haven't tried this before and I'd like to see if it works.
Would love to see Teebs or Nosaj Thing get one of the Thursday late night slots a la Big Gigantic and MiMosa. But not both at the same time. That'd be cruel.
As well as any of these: The Polish Ambassador DANGER The knife Royksopp Kavinsky Gigamesh Digitalizm Ford & Lopatin Gang Gang Dance Tycho Toro Y Moi Soulwax Parov stelar Trentmoller Modeselektor Opiuo Cassius Flume Blood diamonds Lifelike Caravan Palace Siriusmo Gold Panda Com Truise
I made this a collaborative playlist, so everyone should be able to add tracks to it. If you see an artist missing, try to throw some tracks up you find are representative of the artist's style.
If someone does add some tracks let me know, I haven't tried this before and I'd like to see if it works.
I made this a collaborative playlist, so everyone should be able to add tracks to it. If you see an artist missing, try to throw some tracks up you find are representative of the artist's style.
If someone does add some tracks let me know, I haven't tried this before and I'd like to see if it works.
If Simian Mobile Disco isn't there, somebody done goofed.
I'd love to see them there, but I can't see Ford not being busy with a new Arctic Monkeys or Florence + The Machine album. Both had 2011 releases and nothing this year, I feel like at least one will have something in the works by then.
Post by Laggy.RETURNS on Jun 17, 2012 19:24:18 GMT -5
Carl Cox is supposedly an amazing DJ from people who listen to and DJ that type of music. But I fundamentally do not get trance. I really can't get into very much steady beat EDM in general, especially trance. It's maddenly repetitive
Carl Cox is supposedly an amazing DJ from people who listen to and DJ that type of music. But I fundamentally do not get trance. I really can't get into very much steady beat EDM in general, especially trance. It's maddenly repetitive
i understand, but in my humble opinion the repetition is the idea, the idea being to induce a trance state through said repetition. i was thinking of this at jazzfest this year. we were hanging out at the Jazz & Heritage stage listening to some Mardi Gras Indians doing Iko Iko or one of its variations (brother john I think). They are basically doing the same drumbeat over and over and over while singing the same line in similar repetition, almost to the point where I was no longer focusing on the meaning of the words, in fact they begin losing all meaning, inducing a similar trance like state where all I focus on is the beat, which is from the original funerals, where they drummed in order to mimic the heartbeat, in an attempt to restore life to that which life had left.
pretty cool seeing the connection between this oldest form of american (or really oldest form of music period) music and its modern trance equivalent.
Who do you think sounds like them? I liked the album I listened to pretty well, but live at the Ryman it pretty much sounded like staticy noise. It was a pretty unanimous decision to go outside and smoke cigarettes until they were done.
Carl Cox is supposedly an amazing DJ from people who listen to and DJ that type of music. But I fundamentally do not get trance. I really can't get into very much steady beat EDM in general, especially trance. It's maddenly repetitive
i understand, but in my humble opinion the repetition is the idea, the idea being to induce a trance state through said repetition. i was thinking of this at jazzfest this year. we were hanging out at the Jazz & Heritage stage listening to some Mardi Gras Indians doing Iko Iko or one of its variations (brother john I think). They are basically doing the same drumbeat over and over and over while singing the same line in similar repetition, almost to the point where I was no longer focusing on the meaning of the words, in fact they begin losing all meaning, inducing a similar trance like state where all I focus on is the beat, which is from the original funerals, where they drummed in order to mimic the heartbeat, in an attempt to restore life to that which life had left.
pretty cool seeing the connection between this oldest form of american (or really oldest form of music period) music and its modern trance equivalent.
Interesting perspective.
I never fall in to the trance, somehow I just fall in to complete boredom.
i understand, but in my humble opinion the repetition is the idea, the idea being to induce a trance state through said repetition. i was thinking of this at jazzfest this year. we were hanging out at the Jazz & Heritage stage listening to some Mardi Gras Indians doing Iko Iko or one of its variations (brother john I think). They are basically doing the same drumbeat over and over and over while singing the same line in similar repetition, almost to the point where I was no longer focusing on the meaning of the words, in fact they begin losing all meaning, inducing a similar trance like state where all I focus on is the beat, which is from the original funerals, where they drummed in order to mimic the heartbeat, in an attempt to restore life to that which life had left.
pretty cool seeing the connection between this oldest form of american (or really oldest form of music period) music and its modern trance equivalent.
Interesting perspective.
I never fall in to the trance, somehow I just fall in to complete boredom.
Ha, fair enough.
Trance was the first EDM I listened to. I remember we heard Prodigy playing at Q-Zar one happening Friday night. My friend bought Music For the Jilted Generation, then I bought Paul Van Dyks "Out There And Back". That was the beginning of my electronic music journey.
I was into industrial before that though. Mostly Ministry and NIN.