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Day 1 run off will go overnight. I'll post a deadline in the am.. somewhere between 7 an 9. Assume day 1 runoff will end sometime tomorrow evening depending on conversation and vote movement.
And fyi... I am NOT a fan of game changing votes 5-10 minutes before the deadline. Nulls - yes.... ok. Power shifts right before deadlines.. No. I reserve the right there to extend.
OK, looking at what I wrote earlier, I addressed most of the points I was going to hit. To clarify, I voted for Phi based on his responses to questions, and not just for the weird placeholder comment (although that prompted the questions in the first place). As I said earlier, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and actually defended the move as a standard Phi move.
What caused me to vote for him though, is that he actually lied about deleting posts, which he did in Mafia 42. I think skimmed right over the fact that it was in defense of a criticism from JimmyRoo. That combined with the explanations he gave was enough to tip me towards Phi. I feel comfortable with my choice, and although I am pissed to be in the runoff again, at least it is against a likely mafia member.
I cannot control what other people do, and I cannot know for certain who is mafia and who is a townie. Kiko, if you are a townie, understand that there are no certainties in this game, unless you are mafia. Jimmyroo, I am suspicious of roo because of the vote for me and the explanation I gave earlier, and because he has dropped off the face of the earth, which is not his MO.
This is the 6th game in a row being in the first round runoff, and it pisses me off, but as I said, I feel we have a mafia member in Phi also in the runoff. I would have preferred a 1-2 person larger runoff, but that did not happen. I would like to survive to Day 2, since I think my style is more accepted later in the game, when everyone has more to work with and stronger opinions.
I will try and check in tomorrow morning but will have limited access throughout the day.
Also, Kiko, similar to the deleting post rule, last minute vote changes and liking / disliking posts is discouraged although not prohibited unless you are dead / no longer player the game. Just a heads up since it is your first game.
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 16, 2012 23:24:40 GMT -5
"That combined with the explanations he gave was enough to tip me towards Phi."
So what explanation tipped you off? If you could quote him please, so we can all see more clearly where Phi messed up and gave himself up with his tricky explanation...
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 16, 2012 23:34:04 GMT -5
GN all, if I don't survive the night, I have made my suspicions quite clear except 1 person who also had similar thoughts as Viking, which should be quite clear.
Not sure what I think of Kiko and Jimmy trying so hard to make me look somehow guilty?? One thinks I'm trying to save Phi and the other thinks I'm working with Viking. Or Jimmy thinks it could be both? I'm a little confused and not quite sure were either is coming from because I feel I've been pretty neutral.
SFA, I'm curious why you decided to put your vote, the final vote, on Roonectar when the score was at Viking-3 and Phi-2. You claim that you wanted to have a three person run-off but you voted for Roonectar who had zero votes at the time. If you really wanted a three person run-off, wouldn't you have stacked someone to 2 votes?
Actually, you were the final vote before the runoff, not me. I actually never considered the round would close before people had time to maybe switch votes around. I'm bad about that because sometimes these rounds can last a week, so I tend to forget deadlines. Ask Viking. I voted for him at the last minute, a few games back, and truly had no idea.
Either way, I wasn't going to vote Phi and tie it up and potentially create a runoff that I didn't find productive. I put Roonecter in the same spot as about 6 other players. All it would have taken was a Viking voter to switch to one of them and there would have been a three way runoff. That was my thinking at least.
I find this suspicious and it appears like you are trying to distance yourself from Phi, but at the same time protect him.
If I was mafia with Phi, I would have no problem voting him off for pulling such a silly move and bringing attention to himself that early on. I definitely wouldn't put myself at risk by defending him. Again, I didn't like the way the runoff was going, so I didn't vote Phi because it would have potentially sealed the deal. Simply as that.
I am concerned about the Roonectar/SFA/Viking triangle. Notice how Roonectar voted for Viking. Seems like SFA made a toothless vote for Roonectar with the last vote before the run-off even though he claimed to want a three way run-off. That vote helped Phi until I switched my vote from Hakuna (VP) to Phi who was somewhat suspicious to me and because I wanted at least a 2 way runoff. Roonectar is also voting for Viking to protect Phi in this round.
If I wanted to save Phi, I wouldn't have bothered nulling my vote when Kiki tried to kill Viking at the last minute. Which probably wouldn't have been last minute, Fawn would have extended the deadline a tad I'm sure. But you know what I mean.
And it makes sense for SFA to vote for Roonectar to distance themselves, even the vote had no real purpose at all. SFA gave no reason to vote for Roonectar.
Jimmyroo >> Phi >> Viking
I'm confused. Are you trying to tie me to Phi/Roonector or Viking/Roonector? Because it seems you mainly are trying to say I'm working with Phi and Roonector but now you are voting for Viking? Also, Roonector has been voting Viking the entire game. That isn't proof he is protecting him. He might be or he might mafia making no moves at all because both people are innocent. Or he could just not see a reason to move...
Also, I gave a specific reason for voting Roonectar. He is quite. It was a first round shoot in the dark. You could also count my last response to you as part of my reason as well. I'm not mafia but if I was with Roonectar I certainly wouldn't vote for him so close to the runoff started. Especially, if, as you believe, I had my other mafia buddy already in the runoff. That would make zero sense.
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Lol this is hilarious at best. Now SFA who has had the same line of thinking as Viking since page 1 is left to decide. Oh boy
This is silly. How have we had the same line of thinking? And you also posted twice about knowing how I was going to vote. I've never once said Phi's erased message was shady. I came strait out and said I thought it was a joke. On a side note, it is kind of funny that you would say this because Viking and I usually have a huge disagreement about something every game.
You sure are trying hard to tie the two of us together, which is quite suspicious. If it's because I nulled my vote when you tried to get him voted strait off. I guess I can see that but I would have done that for any player in that situation.
Also, just because I'm the last left to vote doesn't really mean I'm deciding anything. Everyone is free to switch votes up until the round ends. I find it funny that you would make such a big deal of this after trying to strait up kill a player at the set deadline last night. Speaking of votes, yours have had the most effect of anyone. You almost got LD in a runoff. Then you forced someone's hand to create the runoff we now have.
Sorry Phi, I read over the thread and think you are both likely innocent. I just can't vote along with Kiko and Jimmy. Not after both of them are calling me suspicious, etc.
SFA >>> Phi
Edit : Kiko not Kiki.
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Leaving my client now and headed to visit family so I cannot post what I want until later. Jimmyroo, I will elaborate later but the major hole in your theory is that I was asking for people to put roonectar in the runoff until phi became more suspicious. I still find the way he is playing off but I am more suspicious of phi right now.
Let me know what's so off from what I usually do first round? I feel like I'm pretty consistent with last games (having not gone back to double check but I'm sure some have) but yea let me know what's so suspicious.
Forgot to mention, Phi has deleted posts in the past, as recently as Mafia 45 (his second to last game) that made him look extremely guilty and potentially cost the townies the game, since the mafia used it against him and muddied the water. (although he came out as inspector on Day 1 that game) Food for thought, but he has a habit of doing this and distracting us from finding the mafia.
wrong again.
i have never, in the history of mafia, deleted a post.
what are you trying to do here viking?
edit: edited, yes, just like this post
Throwback reference but I just caught up. I think it was my first game and I deleted a post, phi was the one who chimed in to tell me that shizzz don't fly. So clearly he knew it wasn't aloud. I I was a joke it's been a cruel one on townies and of it wasn't then it was a pretty risky mafia move
I'm staying on Viking for the time being because although phi deleted that post and started this boondoggle I do agree this molehill has turned into a pretty solid mountain
I've never once said Phi's erased message was shady.
Bold faced lie, mixed in with some mafiaesque passive-aggressiveness:
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superfurryanimal said:
I do agree it's shady but why would you wright placeholder and then erase it? I thought he was joking because he posted like right after kiko? I guess what I'm saying is I don't think the two of them would plan that togeather, so which person does it make look more shady?
superfurryanimal said:
You sure are trying hard to tie the two of us together, which is quite suspicious.
Indeed, based on your quacky logic and lack of evidence for your vote. I find your poor reasoning for your vote (based on pg 1 massive Phi post deletion coverup/watergate fiasco(!)) prima facie more reason for you to be guilty than said fiasco itself or the proprietors involved.
superfurryanimal said:
Sorry Phi, I read over the thread and think you are both likely innocent. I just can't vote along with Kiko and Jimmy. Not after both of them are calling me suspicious, etc.
Why absolutely zero speak of Viking? Only to say that he's innocent as well, which I'm sure is nice way of covering up and playing nice with everyone, since that is how townies act.... Why even apologize to Phi if you're voting him off? So nice and neutral of you. <-- just to point out your over-neutralness
Post by kikosanchez on Aug 17, 2012 5:54:25 GMT -5
SFA, if you really didn't believe either was mafia - still, look at what you are comparing as evidence for your vote.
Phi's jokey post + deletion as an obvious part of my gaming post, as he was trying to level me or someone else.
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Viking taking this quite literally as a mafia style opening move, as if it would go unnoticed and (muahaha!) stack early on an unsuspecting townie! In fact, Viking posted above " I feel comfortable with my choice, and although I am pissed to be in the runoff again, at least it is against a likely mafia member."
If you really compare those 2 and think viking has evidence for Phi being a "likely mafia member" and you're NOT mafia...I don't know what to say. To me, viking's rotten lack of evidence and yet certainty Phi is likely a mafia member is far more damning than Phi's actions themselves.
Bold faced lie, mixed in with some mafiaesque passive-aggressiveness
So what??? You are so far over top it's not even funny. In the earlier post I meant the situation was shady. As is generally agreed upon when people erase their posts. I then went on to say I thought it was just a joke. You forgot the mention how I've spent the first couple pages saying we should switch the runoff up. Why would I bother if I was trying to use Phi's deleted post against him? Explan that to me? What I was getting at in my "bold face lie" was that I was never one of the players trying to use Phi's post against him. NEVER. End of story.
Indeed, based on your quacky logic and lack of evidence for your vote. I find your poor reasoning for your vote (based on pg 1 massive Phi post deletion coverup/watergate fiasco(!)) prima facie more reason for you to be guilty than said fiasco itself or the proprietors involved.
Again. I never once said I was voting for Phi because of that post. You are trying way to hard. And you are leaving out the reason I gave. Which is you. I'm not going to vote Viking when I've got two people coming after me in the first round saying I'm mafia. Why the hell would I vote along side them? If I have to choose between two players that I'm unsure of, I'm going to use any bit of info I can. From where I stand, your over the top accusations are the best thing for me to go off of. I've already explained this so I'm not sure why you are still trying to connect me to Viking and Mike because of Phi's erased post.
Why absolutely zero speak of Viking? Only to say that he's innocent as well, which I'm sure is nice way of covering up and playing nice with everyone, since that is how townies act.... Why even apologize to Phi if you're voting him off? So nice and neutral of you. <-- just to point out your over-neutralness
What does this even mean? I brought up Viking in my last two posts. I apologized because I think he is probably innocent as well. Pretty easy concept to grasp. First round runoffs tend to have townies in them.
SFA, if you really didn't believe either was mafia - still, look at what you are comparing as evidence for your vote.
Phi's jokey post + deletion as an obvious part of my gaming post, as he was trying to level me or someone else.
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Viking taking this quite literally as a mafia style opening move, as if it would go unnoticed and (muahaha!) stack early on an unsuspecting townie! In fact, Viking posted above " I feel comfortable with my choice, and although I am pissed to be in the runoff again, at least it is against a likely mafia member."
If you really compare those 2 and think viking has evidence for Phi being a "likely mafia member" and you're NOT mafia...I don't know what to say. To me, viking's rotten lack of evidence and yet certainty Phi is likely a mafia member is far more damning than Phi's actions themselves.
Viking always thinks he has a mafia member or two pinned down in the first round. I read what he has to say and will consider it but I don't take it as anything more then a theory. Sometimes he is right and sometimes he is wrong.
Not sure why you can't grasp what I've been saying since like the second page but I don't feel strongly about either of them (Or LD) being mafia at this time. One or more of them could be but we don't really have strong evidence of anything yet.
So you admitted and responded to your complete lie with "So what???" See, this is the sort of rationale I'm dealing with from you.
If you could respond to my 2nd post, SFA. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
It wasn't a lie. I used the same word in two different contexts. Anybody should be able to tell that. My freaking point was that I haven't been going after Phi for his deleted post because I freaking haven't.
And what is with all this "if I die" BS. We both know you aren't going to get whacked. If there is a 5th round I bet you will be in it. Because you are either mafia or a townie that's wrecking havoc and the mafia love you.
I don't really have much to add after my post last night. I have explained why I think Phi is mafia, and tried to respond to Kiko as best as I can.
Kiko, go and look at the last day of Mafia 46. It was my first game and I did the same thing you are doing, except I did it for Mike D, and he turned out to be mafia. I have strong opinions in this game, just like you do but unless you are mafia, they are just opinions. In this case, you are flat out wrong. SFA / Mike D / and I are not connected in any way. I do not know if they are townies or mafia, since they are both pretty good at keeping their cards close until later in the game. All I can tell you is that I am a townie, and I believe, as I have outlined, that Phi is mafia.
Heading out for the day, and will not be back prior to Fawn's deadline. Will try and check in via mobile though.
Can some veterans chime in please? Any thoughts on my theory from someone not involved? Mike D, NoAge? Etc?
I have had a little bit of time to check in at work, but a little busier today than normal. I will have time this evening to look into it a little more, but right now I am most interested in what Kiko will do with his vote.
wow lots to catch up on, though most of the back and forth doesnt even involve me lol
soooo with 6 votes i can only assume 3 of those are mafia and the other 3 are townies.
to the 3 votes for me that are townies, you are voting for a fellow townie and i urge you to reconsider. remember i am only in this spot because of a joke on pg where i deleted a post to frame kiko into having to vote for himself lol.
also, if i go, townies please look at the people who are pushing people to vote for me, as well as the quite ones who have voted for me yet not said very much, your mafia are hidden in there somewhere.
soooo with 6 votes i can only assume 3 of those are mafia and the other 3 are townies.
I doudt this. Since you and Viking voted for each other there is a sliglty less then 50 chance that no mafia placed the other two votes that got you in runoff contintion to begin with. In other words, I doudt all the mafia members are voting for you. When I've been mafia, I can only think of one game were all three of us voted the same way.
also, if i go, townies please look at the people who are pushing people to vote for me, as well as the quite ones who have voted for me yet not said very much, your mafia are hidden in there somewhere.
As I've been saying and Kiko doesn't seem to grasp. I think at least two of the mafia are sitting back being quite. I think the most likly thing that is happening is a case of townies eating each other alive.
