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Um...actually, being from New York and going to college about 2 subway stops from the World Trade Center...I became afraid when buildings started blowing up around me...pretty sure that wasn't the government.
And today when I woke up and found out someone set off a bomb in Times Square last night...I didn't feel much better.
Last Edit: Mar 6, 2008 19:57:04 GMT -5 by shhhhh - Back to Top
A side note, when pulled over on the highway, I have found it EXTREMELY useful to tell the officer I'm a prospective college student checking out schools in *fill in state here*. Don't know why, but it seems to change the attitude of the officer almost instantly...
Post by kingofcheezwiz on Mar 7, 2008 3:35:52 GMT -5
shhhhh said:
bigjohn said:
The government has made us afraid
Um...actually, being from New York and going to college about 2 subway stops from the World Trade Center...I became afraid when buildings started blowing up around me...pretty sure that wasn't the government.
Lots of discussion regarding things you don't think about which will get you pulled and which are illegal. Such as not wearing your seatbelt in TN (and that means both the driver plus all occupants of the vehicle). Or not having all your tags, registration etc. up to date.
I agree with the idea that you have to pick your battles. If you get confrontational with an officer, look to have him or her be very unpleasant in return. The time it takes to process you will grow. The level at which you will be scrutinized will increase. Any slack you might have been given on whatever caused them to pull you in the first place is likely to vanish.
I'm an attorney (a fact I kept to myself when I was stopped for speeding on my way home from Bonnaroo last year). I was tired and didn't realize I had slightly exceeded the limit. No questions. I did it. I was polite to the officers. I allowed them to run the drug dog around the car and to do a cursory look through the windows into my car. I matter of factly answered many questions I knew they had no legal basis for asking. But as a result, my stop time was minimal. They let me off with a warning on the speeding. No ticket.
You should be able to stand by your rights without being punished for it. Unfortunately, that's not the case in practice. Sad, but true.
^^^They woudl detect it - that being said - we have not been pulled over the last two years that we went - matter of fact - we barely saw a police presence - that may be because we come in on Wednesday tho
Post by kingofcheezwiz on Mar 7, 2008 12:11:35 GMT -5
^Be careful what you post.
thatgrrl said:
You should be able to stand by your rights without being punished for it. Unfortunately, that's not the case in practice. Sad, but true.
There are certain formalities you must exhibit if you want to protect your rights and be civil about it. Let them do their job, and show them you're not up to any funny business, and know when the officer is over stepping his bounds. If he asks if he can bring the no no word dog in ask, "how long it will take, officer?" Return their questions with questions and call them officer and they treat you civilly for treating them civilly. Although, there are some real bunghole cops up here in Port Huron. They're all bored not stopping the actual crimes that get committed around here, so they just hassle people everyday.
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Um...actually, being from New York and going to college about 2 subway stops from the World Trade Center...I became afraid when buildings started blowing up around me...pretty sure that wasn't the government.
And today when I woke up and found out someone set off a bomb in Times Square last night...I didn't feel much better.
My girlfriend lives in nyc and i spend a lot of time there. But i have to disagree with you. The gov't (specifically the Republicans - not to turn this into a partisan thing) is shameless and direct with their attempts to instill fear (about terror/islam) into the American people.
All you have to do is listen to sound bites from the daily show of mitt romney or john mccain on the campaign trail. They would lead you to believe that the average american's #1 safety concern should be terror - when in reality there was one attack on 9/11 where a few thousand people died. Do doubt a tragedy, my dad even lost his cousin. But even if you live in nyc I would venture to say that you should be more concerned about getting hit by a car on the street than that the building your in is gonna be blown up by a plane or a bomb.
For a New Yorker, Harlem after dark should be much scarier than any islamic fundamentalist!
sorry if this is coming off as preachy but all i'm saying is to make your own decisions about what to be afraid of and dont let the news or a presidential candidate detach you from what is really going on.
One day, my friend got pulled over. He had been pulled over before while holding, and never got searched. On this particular day, the officer asked if he could search the vehicle, though my friend knew for a fact that he didn't have anything illegal in the car. He decided he didn't really have anything to do that day, so he just went ahead and told the officer that he knew his rights, and would not consent to a search.
The officer asked again, and he repeated himself, waiting for the officer to hold him up for hours, and...he just walked back to his car, came back with his speeding ticket and let him go. He could've had a bazooka in his trunk.
So it can happen. I wouldn't bank on it while on the way to Bonnaroo, though.
Um...actually, being from New York and going to college about 2 subway stops from the World Trade Center...I became afraid when buildings started blowing up around me...pretty sure that wasn't the government.
And today when I woke up and found out someone set off a bomb in Times Square last night...I didn't feel much better.
I can completely understand that, and in certain situations one should be afraid. My point was that 9/11 has been used by the far right as a leverage point to encroach upon our fundamental rights.
Post by Free Spirit Alessia on Mar 7, 2008 14:21:04 GMT -5
esprituptohere said:
I've only got a three hour drive to the farm, but I know there are a lot of people coming in from distant areas. Being pulled over by highway patrol officers is no fun, as I've learned from experience, and sometimes speed limits, vehicle ordinances, and cop demeanor are really varied in different states.
One thing that does NOT vary by state is our protections under the fourth and fifth amendment. Law students sometimes carry a pocket Constitution, but this could seriously hurt your reputation, so here's a link to a site that explains your rights and gives advice on what to do in any encounter with law enforcement. If you don't know your rights, it's easy to have them violated.
Post by esprituptohere on Mar 8, 2008 4:39:41 GMT -5
I'm all for our right to put lead in my food if I want, but I don't want. And if we ever had socialized healthcare, it would be pretty irresponsible. Haha, but I don't know about the trans fat issue, that's for the city to decide. It seems pretty remote from here. Love how this thread developed.
If you go through Virginia, be careful, sprunkn. They have some new laws where if you are going 10 over the speed limit, which is 65 on the interstate, it's an automatic reckless driving charge. Their ticket prices are about five times higher than those in TN. There may be a few extra state troopers here and there. One bizarre thing: they have these signs there that say the speed limit is "monitored by aircraft". I was really curious and kept looking upwards to try to see one as I drove to D.C. at 80 mph a couple of months ago. I'm going up again for spring break in a week, so maybe I'll finally see this. Or it could just be a scare tactic. They also outlawed radar detectors.
OR maybe they just want YOU to look up and not pay attention to the road, thus making you drigt out of lane and WHAMO, badda bing badda bang! probable cause to pull you over!!!!
not to mention that you are less likely to think about how HEAVY your foot gets looking up at the sky and trying to drive at the same time.
Do not fall suspect to this people, it doesn't matter if they are Monitoring from the sky if your driving NOT to get caught.
I have seen to many a tribal mates go down pre or post festival. Trust me, a safe unenventual travel and fest makes for a total expierence all the worth while!!!!!!!!
nothin comes for free and if responsibility is the price for festin its an acceptable price!!!!
My two cents and change, Trip
P.S. if you wanna know bout the "sky" cops just ask some police or lok around for documents for the state police budget(s) etc. BUt don't look for the proof while driving.
Re read my last post ^^^^^ and now all I can think of is the movie good fellas LOL with Ray Liotta looking up at the helicopter while driving in a manic state of mind.......
This would be hell to drive to a fest in this state of mind!!!! also ---ahem(wink) if you are driving like this then you definately do not have the "skin" to be driving with illegal contraband. Wanna "test" or me, then do this:
Put a five pound bag of flour in a LARGE zip lock, put two strands of tape about 4 inches apart around the "package" and leave it on your passenger seat for a week. Drive around and imagine trying to explain to the po po what the hell you are doing driving around with a "KILO" looking package on your seat, let alone that its just flour. Warning: by time you get to explain you may be surrounded by 10 cops with guns drawn!!!!!! (which will piss em off ot find out its flour, and encourage them to find ways to rack up a big ticket for you). Notice as you are driving how many "little mistakes" you make each time you see a cop! obviously these seemingly little mistakes is what leads the wolf to your den.
Think of the self fullfilling prophecy theroy, If you believe it, those believes can inadvertently make your fears become a reality.
Simply, thier are roles in the fest world know your role and enjoy. It is no big secret that most of the Heavy hitters/ suppliers ( that everyone reffers to about the car checks) have this "world" down pat and count on little fishes that should not be swimming (driving) in this pond to divert the attention and allow their plan(s) of importation come to fruition.
By the way, just a note, the heavy hitters can afford much more intricate ways to get their wares into wherever. Think of the U.S. the no no word still get in right? obviously they are not using cheap conventional means like 4 dudes go ing to a jam down in a car.
That type of thinking is not intricate! they are not willing to risk their wares (sometimes 100's of thousands of dollars worth) by driving it right into the cops hands at the check points!!!!
I know I am speaking in a loose tongue here (for obvious reasons). If you don't catch my drift, that just shows your role as being that of an attendee.
Be just that and enjoy the bliss and offerings. Otherwise, you may be embarking upon a realm that could and innevitably-
WILL effect you and your traveling companions for life.
For instance most do not know that no longer is only the driver "pinched" for the illegalities in the car-ALL PASSENGERS AND DRIVER are "pinched". This legal wrangling called a "presumption" law includes everyone. Unless, one of the party fesses up and says no one else had a clue they had it. BUT BUT BUT this is not the cops concern they just arrest and let the DA and the judge to sort it all out.
For the driver, unfortunately because their is an arrest (pressumably legal and determined as such MUCH mUCH later) the additional criminal civil laws of the DMV kick in and the driver is asked to undergo a "chemical Test" (unsure of this term google it for your state and states you travel.
I can save you time and tell you it is an agreement of the NHSA National Highway and Safety Administration and the assosciated D.R.E. (Drug Recogonition Expert officer) program that gives additional $$$$ to the participating states, of course all the states want the moola.
No, I am not a FED!!!, just well informed Jedi.
Just think about this for a momment brothers and sisters---- IF you partied with in recent past-
It is going to show up on that Chemical/drug test and you are FUCTO bigtime!!!! hell of a way to pay that state some really serious money and then lose your license AND then your home state revokes/suspends your license (yes, this is LEGAL double jeopardy).
The ramification(s) are immense, hairdresser, realestate appraiser any licensed occupation- better choose another proffesion you just lost your proffesional license, THIS GOES FOR THE PASSENGERS YOU ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SUBJECT YOUR COMPANIONS TO THIS EXPIERENCE.
Refusing the chemical test you say? Well, congrats you just forfieted your drivers license!!!!! and gave validity to the arrest for the per se' laws now in effect! (see an attorney).
Gods forbid if your dady or momma is a judge back home the whoopin/ embarasement would be far greater than one could imagine.
So peeps get out of the day to day blinders we all get sucked into, and out of the "wholly yes were goin to the ROO!" excitement!!!!! which enables us to get too excited and overlook this rational realm.
be well and travel safe..........as an ex-participant of the secret realm, I tell you lrespectfully, leave whatever it is up to the proffesionals.
Unless you aim to be one, in which case you should not be including those who do not aim to be one in your travels.
and remember a common mantra in the dark world=
Play big boy games and expect to pay BIG boy prices for your participation.
Even if you NEVER get caught, inevitably 20 yrs later you will think of your participation as not so cool once you realize how lucky you were to go unscathed. You may also wonder about what you missed while drivin around lookin up for helicopters!lol
Post by esprituptohere on Mar 25, 2008 19:39:54 GMT -5
When I mentioned looking up for aircraft, it was a matter of pure curiosity. I have a sunroof in my car, so I don't think I was ever neglecting my driving, which is excellent.
I agree with your point that carmates on road trips should be open with each other about anything that could compromise their freedom. This is common sense, and I wouldn't consider someone a friend who would bring anything illegal into my car without asking first. The kind of people who you are talking about, who do not leave "big" things to the professionals, only care about money and themselves, not the experience of the festival. If it's important to you, make sure you get there, right?
In addition to the issues detailed by triptoy which are guaranteed to ruin your day, remember this too: if they find illegal corn in your car, they can TAKE your car under the federal RICO Act. Can't begin to tell you how much of the DEA is funded by selling vehicles, houses and other structures seized due to what was found upon searching. You may be able to legally wheel and deal on what you get charged with personally, but if there is corn in the car, wave goodbye to the car. It's just not worth it, folks. Don't do it.
How much corn are we talking about here? A farmer moving bushels, a guy with an ear, or two, what? I mean, for all that hassle, I can tell my doctor, I'm nervous about a flight, and get some legit anti-anxiety medication, w/my name, matching my ID, on the label....
When I mentioned looking up for aircraft, it was a matter of pure curiosity. I have a sunroof in my car, so I don't think I was ever neglecting my driving, which is excellent.
Usually people look out the windshield when they drive, not the sunroof
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Post by cajunmike420 on Mar 27, 2008 14:44:39 GMT -5
some quik facts i have discovered recently. i am curently dealing with legal issues that were caused by my 4th amemdment rights being grossly violated. and have learned that " your rights" mean nothing in dubya's america. knowing your rights and throwing them in a cops face is going to make them madder and assure your arrest. america "the land of the free" makes up for 2% of the worlds overall population, but accounts for 20% of the worlds prison population. and with the prison systems being privatly owned companys that trade there stock on wallstreet based on the number of prisoners they have incarirated, there is something seriously wrong.
If you get confrontational with an officer, look to have him or her be very unpleasant in return. The time it takes to process you will grow. The level at which you will be scrutinized will increase. Any slack you might have been given on whatever caused them to pull you in the first place is likely to vanish.
I'm an attorney (a fact I kept to myself when I was stopped for speeding on my way home from Bonnaroo last year). I was tired and didn't realize I had slightly exceeded the limit. No questions. I did it. I was polite to the officers. I allowed them to run the no no word dog around the car and to do a cursory look through the windows into my car. I matter of factly answered many questions I knew they had no legal basis for asking. But as a result, my stop time was minimal. They let me off with a warning on the speeding. No ticket.
Best advice in this thread. If you're concerned about your rights or liberties being taken away, write your congressman, organize a petition/rally, whatever. But trying act like a political hero when you're being pulled over in another state is a BAAAAAD idea.
Don't act like a schmuck.
This is not the time to act aggresive or defensive. Be courteous, polite and cooperative. Why make the situation even worse?
Post by candyflippedaround on Mar 27, 2008 18:06:30 GMT -5
quack da police j/k, but srsly.
war on no no word is completely retarded. and dont say bomb.
also i fear my government much more than anyone else right now. they scare me immensely and im sad to say that. i have no faith in the united states right now and am completely (with the exception of a real plan or the funds to do so) ready to GTFO of here when i really feel i no longer belong here.
Um...actually, being from New York and going to college about 2 subway stops from the World Trade Center...I became afraid when buildings started blowing up around me...pretty sure that wasn't the government.
Sad to say, but our rights don't add up to a hill of beans when you are pulled off to the side of the road. Kiss some booty and save yourself a lot of grief. The police love it when you say yes sir or yes ma'am...especially in this neck of the woods.