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Meanwhile football players "go to battle" on gameday every week and no one blinks twice.
You think that's the same thing? With Kanye, it's not like it's the first weird thing he's said that people get upset by. It's a pattern and I think him saying that he puts his life on the line like police is a bit different from your example. Either way...I am interested to see if he has any response to this. It seems like the thing that has made it a news story is the fact that the police chief wrote an open letter to him and not so much about his specific comment (which was made on saturday and hasn't been a topic of discussion until today). Of course, not many people will see that and be "outraged" by it.
The focus of his letter seems to be for the military and then he does mention his brother and sister's-in-arms as police. I don't think this fact takes away from the message he's trying to get across. I'm sure Kanye doesn't actually believe his job is as dangerous as soldiers/cops on a daily basis but it's still a poor comparison to make IMO.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Dec 13, 2013 16:40:59 GMT -5
To me, the interesting thing is the police chief basically saying "You are an entertainer....you are not allowed to be anything else". Like....I know what he means with actors/musicians/celebrities who think their opinion matters because of how famous they are but Kanye is a dude who has clearly stated that he doesn't just want to be an entertainer. He's into business and art and fashion. Basically like he's saying "You rap great but you don't do anything else so don't try and tell people what's what".
The fact that you looked that up is sad. Trying to defend such a ridiculous comment by proving that the Police Chief is patrolling a safe city doesn't mean jack. Newtown, Conneticut was a safe city as well. Doesn't mean you won't get into a gun battle with some lunatic. It is Ohio after all.
To me, the interesting thing is the police chief basically saying "You are an entertainer....you are not allowed to be anything else". Like....I know what he means with actors/musicians/celebrities who think their opinion matters because of how famous they are but Kanye is a dude who has clearly stated that he doesn't just want to be an entertainer. He's into business and art and fashion. Basically like he's saying "You rap great but you don't do anything else so don't try and tell people what's what".
I could see how his fashion credentials could be comparative to a soldier in battle.
Meanwhile football players "go to battle" on gameday every week and no one blinks twice.
Wait, sometimes eyes blink. Didn't Kellen Winslow Jr cause a stir when he was all pumped in a locker room interview talking about how "he was a warrior going into battle" or something to that effect. It was when he was at Miami.
The focus of his letter seems to be for the military and then he does mention his brother and sister's-in-arms as police. I don't think this fact takes away from the message he's trying to get across. I'm sure Kanye doesn't actually believe his job is as dangerous as soldiers/cops on a daily basis but it's still a poor comparison to make IMO.
Nor is that really what he was saying. He's trying to express how crazy it is that there are effects in his show that are literally life-threatening. A fair reading of the context would be "cops do sh*t like that, I shouldn't be." But this blowhard small town police chief wanted to make a point and name drop Vanilla Ice and sh*t so he stripped the quote of all its context. It's pathetic
The focus of his letter seems to be for the military and then he does mention his brother and sister's-in-arms as police. I don't think this fact takes away from the message he's trying to get across. I'm sure Kanye doesn't actually believe his job is as dangerous as soldiers/cops on a daily basis but it's still a poor comparison to make IMO.
Nor is that really what he was saying. He's trying to express how crazy it is that there are effects in his show that are literally life-threatening. A fair reading of the context would be "cops do sh*t like that, I shouldn't be." But this blowhard small town police chief wanted to make a point and name drop Vanilla Ice and sh*t so he stripped the quote of all its context. It's pathetic
Did he harm you and you're not telling us? Do you know this guy and he offended you? Should we send him a letter too? I'm sure he won't care because he doesn't know you.
To me, the interesting thing is the police chief basically saying "You are an entertainer....you are not allowed to be anything else". Like....I know what he means with actors/musicians/celebrities who think their opinion matters because of how famous they are but Kanye is a dude who has clearly stated that he doesn't just want to be an entertainer. He's into business and art and fashion. Basically like he's saying "You rap great but you don't do anything else so don't try and tell people what's what".
I could see how his fashion credentials could be comparative to a soldier in battle.
Well that's not really what I said at all, now is it?
It was more about how I felt like the police chief thinks that entertainers are to only be entertainers and not allowed to go into other areas of work. The line "entertainers thinking they are something more than just entertainers" is what I was referring to. It's pretty clear that Kanye wants to be and considers himself to be more than an entertainer so I thought it was funny to have the chief basically say "you can't do other stuff".
This whole thing seems like just something that Chief posted to make his co-workers laugh.
The focus of his letter seems to be for the military and then he does mention his brother and sister's-in-arms as police. I don't think this fact takes away from the message he's trying to get across. I'm sure Kanye doesn't actually believe his job is as dangerous as soldiers/cops on a daily basis but it's still a poor comparison to make IMO.
Nor is that really what he was saying. He's trying to express how crazy it is that there are effects in his show that are literally life-threatening. A fair reading of the context would be "cops do sh*t like that, I shouldn't be." But this blowhard small town police chief wanted to make a point and name drop Vanilla Ice and sh*t so he stripped the quote of all its context. It's pathetic
I didn't say that's what he was saying. But it's how it is being interpreted. I'm seeing people who didn't hear the interview/read any articles comment that Kanye believes his job is as life-threatening and my point is that it's not what Kanye actually meant and people who blindly accept that he feels that way are being ignorant. Still, anybody who is in the public light who compares what they do to being soldiers at war are going to catch a lot of backlash.
I could see how his fashion credentials could be comparative to a soldier in battle.
Well that's not really what I said at all, now is it?
It was more about how I felt like the police chief thinks that entertainers are to only be entertainers and not allowed to go into other areas of work. The line "entertainers thinking they are something more than just entertainers" is what I was referring to. It's pretty clear that Kanye wants to be and considers himself to be more than an entertainer so I thought it was funny to have the chief basically say "you can't do other stuff".
This whole thing seems like just something that Chief posted to make his co-workers laugh.
Kanye is best known for rapping, not his fashion. The cop is referring to what he said was his death defying profession, which is rapping on stage.
Post by FuzzyWarbles on Dec 13, 2013 16:53:49 GMT -5
The chief obviously took issue with Kanye comparing the dangers he faces with those of police and firemen and soldiers who risk their lives in serving to protect, but he had no idea what West was talking about as evidence of his comment that Kanye could die from shortness of breath during a flow. This doesn't deserve the attention it is receiving. I'm sure the guy got a few high fives and backslaps from the locals.
Nor is that really what he was saying. He's trying to express how crazy it is that there are effects in his show that are literally life-threatening. A fair reading of the context would be "cops do sh*t like that, I shouldn't be." But this blowhard small town police chief wanted to make a point and name drop Vanilla Ice and sh*t so he stripped the quote of all its context. It's pathetic
I didn't say that's what he was saying. But it's how it is being interpreted. I'm seeing people who didn't hear the interview/read any articles comment that Kanye believes his job is as life-threatening and my point is that it's not what Kanye actually meant and people who blindly accept that he feels that way are being ignorant. Still, anybody who is in the public light who compares what they do to being soldiers at war are going to catch a lot of backlash.
I'm not trying to toss the blame at you by any means. It's just pathetic that this sh*t always happens. Kellen Winslow made an extended and direct comparison of football to war and rightly got sh*t on for it. This wasn't an ideal thing to say, but it's fairly harmless and only inflammatory when stripped of the context that there are dangerous elements to his show. He was not actually saying "being a rapper is like being a solider in war."
This doesn't deserve the attention it is receiving. I'm sure the guy got a few high fives and backslaps from the locals.
It's a simple equation it seems:
Local Police Chief/internet sensation + funny letter old people will laugh at + another reason to criticize Kanye West = viral story and lots of clicks
I didn't say that's what he was saying. But it's how it is being interpreted. I'm seeing people who didn't hear the interview/read any articles comment that Kanye believes his job is as life-threatening and my point is that it's not what Kanye actually meant and people who blindly accept that he feels that way are being ignorant. Still, anybody who is in the public light who compares what they do to being soldiers at war are going to catch a lot of backlash.
I'm not trying to toss the blame at you by any means. It's just pathetic that this sh*t always happens.
I agree with that. It does speak to the idea that Kanye is held to another standard than other people in entertainment. Though, to be fair, I think part of that is due to him constantly stressing the fact that he is on another level from everyone else. So he tends to become a target.
And again....there was no controversey/articles/outcry since Saturday (when the comments were said). It's only now after some police chief made a facebook post that went viral that people are getting outraged/angry.
I didn't say that's what he was saying. But it's how it is being interpreted. I'm seeing people who didn't hear the interview/read any articles comment that Kanye believes his job is as life-threatening and my point is that it's not what Kanye actually meant and people who blindly accept that he feels that way are being ignorant. Still, anybody who is in the public light who compares what they do to being soldiers at war are going to catch a lot of backlash.
I'm not trying to toss the blame at you by any means. It's just pathetic that this sh*t always happens. Kellen Winslow made an extended and direct comparison of football to war and rightly got sh*t on for it. This wasn't an ideal thing to say, but it's fairly harmless and only inflammatory when stripped of the context that there are dangerous elements to his show. He was not actually saying "being a rapper is like being a solider in war."
When you're constantly saying dumb stuff but also trying to convince everyone that you're incredibly intelligent, the backlash will be swift and plentiful. Kanye asks for it everytime he says he's bigger than Kurt Cobain or is some sort of second coming of Jesus. If you didn't have such a hard on for his music, you may see the bigger picture of him being a walking joke.
I'm not trying to toss the blame at you by any means. It's just pathetic that this sh*t always happens. Kellen Winslow made an extended and direct comparison of football to war and rightly got sh*t on for it. This wasn't an ideal thing to say, but it's fairly harmless and only inflammatory when stripped of the context that there are dangerous elements to his show. He was not actually saying "being a rapper is like being a solider in war."
When you're constantly saying dumb stuff but also trying to convince everyone that you're incredibly intelligent, the backlash will be swift and plentiful. Kanye asks for it everytime he says he's bigger than Kurt Cobain or is some sort of second coming of Jesus. If you didn't have such a hard on for his music, you may see the bigger picture of him being a walking joke.
When you're constantly saying dumb stuff but also trying to convince everyone that you're incredibly intelligent, the backlash will be swift and plentiful.
What a wonderful summary of your time here thus far and the reaction you receive. This shows amazing self-awareness. Kudos!
I don't think I ever tried to convince anyone I was intelligent.
Should we change all the thread titles to "Something Juggs and Horn will have in common and argue with everyone else on the board about and then a mod will come in and be mellow and respectful to try and diffuse the fact that you have the social skills of a thumbtack and what appears to be absolutely no real social life between the two of you"?
When you're constantly saying dumb stuff but also trying to convince everyone that you're incredibly intelligent, the backlash will be swift and plentiful. Kanye asks for it everytime he says he's bigger than Kurt Cobain or is some sort of second coming of Jesus. If you didn't have such a hard on for his music, you may see the bigger picture of him being a walking joke.
I don't think the comments are a big deal. Performers do risk there lives a lot of the time. And yes Kanye does do some dangerous sh*t in his show. It's not like cops are in a constant firefight and are risking their lives 24/7.