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Post by wannaberoo'ing on Jul 2, 2013 13:38:58 GMT -5
And thank God (or whoever) for the guys in my past who said to me: "Nah, I think you've had a bit too much. Sleep is what you need" and took me home to bed. Terribly drunken sex isn't fun.
And thank God (or whoever) for the guys in my past who said to me: "Nah, I think you've had a bit too much. Sleep is what you need" and took me home to bed. Terribly drunken sex isn't fun.
Yep couldn't agree more! Done it for my girl friends and to girls hitting on me. Really easy to tell when someone is spun out or just hanging having a beer.
When I was younger we'd annually do a group of 15-20 of us to some destination. Inevitably one to three of the single girls would find some hunks they wanted to drool all over. THe males in our group naturally and instinctively protective always were on high guard and watching our female friends like hawks. If I stumbled back to camp and found this I'd been like "WTF dude too" Even if they were consensually having sex and she was wide awake. It is how the world spins. It is built into the backwire of our brains. At least all of my guy friends' brains and most of the animal kingdom as well.
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Im shocked at how many people (one in particular) on here are making light of this situation. These things happen far too often and easily. The fact of the matter is, nobody on here knows what happened or what could have happened. We should all be so lucky to have friends like the OP.
You can just same my name.
No one one does know. But clearly it is guilty until proven innocent here. Obviously I'm not saying a guy going into a tent to rape an unconscious women is remotely ok. Im saying no one in here as a ffking clue and to assume a guy is just going to rape her sure is jumping to conclusions.
If guy wanted to try his luck Guy SHOULD have went back to the tent without even going into the camp area let alone the tent and yell "Hey Girl's name, Im kinda bored. You want to rally and have some more beers and have a dance party? It is ffking Roo afterall!!" If girl doesn't respond or says no mosey on. If girl says "Frick yeah!" start your dance party.
Youre right, nobody does know and you are the only person that has drawn any conclusions. Can you contradict yourself some more within all of these ridiculous posts of yours? GUY never should have gone back yelling her name if she was in the state she was. GUY never should have been in her tent if she was in the state she was. GUY should have had his own "Frick Yeah Dance party".
I never drew any conclusions, I just pointed out how tasteless it was for "people" to make light of a situation like this.....regardless of what happened it is NOT joking matter. Its NOT a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. It is a situation that could have had a very bad outcome (luckily it didnt). The way you talk about it so casually is disturbing.
You should be able to have a good time without being concerned about someone creeping all over you just because "that's the way he is wired.
No one one does know. But clearly it is guilty until proven innocent here. Obviously I'm not saying a guy going into a tent to rape an unconscious women is remotely ok. Im saying no one in here as a ffking clue and to assume a guy is just going to rape her sure is jumping to conclusions.
Youre right, nobody does know and you are the only person that has drawn any conclusions. Can you contradict yourself some more within all of these ridiculous posts of yours? GUY never should have gone back yelling her nameif she was in the state she was. GUY never should have been in her tent if she was in the state she was. GUY should have had his own "Frick Yeah Dance party".
I never drew any conclusions, I just pointed out how tasteless it was for "people" to make light of a situation like this.....regardless of what happened it is NOT joking matter. Its NOT a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. It is a situation that could have had a very bad outcome (luckily it didnt). The way you talk about it so casually is disturbing.
You should be able to have a good time without being concerned about someone creeping all over you just because "that's the way he is wired.
What contradicted? Please be specific.
Let me get this right.. Those are not conclusions in bold up there? So you know after a few beers and MMJ she is drunk? The girls I hang with that have a few beers and some MMJ over the course of pre-headliner thru a 3 hour headliner set are not drunk. But I aguess you know these things. I DO NOT. I drew a conclusion there. And let me also get this right. I am the ONLY one?... The front page tells a different story.
Finally lets look at the end of this statement you made. You reference my "That is the way he is wired?" quote. Are you quoting me about men being protective to make sure females are not raped and that is how they are wired. Because one post up in context you can clearly read it. You are making really no sense at all. Lets actually get my words in here so they don't get more construted. I said,
When I was younger we'd annually do a group of 15-20 of us to some destination. Inevitably one to three of the single girls would find some hunks they wanted to drool all over. THe males in our group naturally and instinctively protective always were on high guard and watching our female friends like hawks. If I stumbled back to camp and found this I'd been like "WTF dude too" Even if they were consensually having sex and she was wide awake. It is how the world spins. It is built into the backwire of our brains. At least all of my guy friends' brains and most of the animal kingdom as well.
You are just trying to view morality in an objective sense when this is clearly more subjective. The girl said some stuff, the guy never got to say anything and we know very little of what state of mind she is in yet this is a gravely serious matter and the guy was clearly there to rape her.
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I mean it is Bonnaroo, guys hit on girls and usually everyone is fairly buzzed. He caught a guy his friend had met earlier in their tent, and the guy had his shoes off, without anything else to go on that sounds pretty innocuous and par for the course at Bonnaroo to me. It is important to worry about your friends, but it is also important to remember that your friends are (I hope) over 18 and adults and can make their own decisions. I have hooked up at festivals, on a lot more than what he said, with people that had a lot more than he said, and it just happens. Obviously getting consenst is important, I am not being an apologist for date rape, but overly inebriated hookups are a fact of life at events like Bonnaroo. If she was passed out and he was licking her feet (happened to a friend of mine a few years ago) then that is one thing, but you have to take things as you see them and it sounds like he was just trying to wake her to get her to go party more as far as I can tell from reading this. Honestly if I was out partying with a girl I met at Bonnaroo, I might go check on her later and see if she was up for some more partying, and I would probably have taken my shoes off before going in a strangers tent as well.
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Here's the thing. If the chick wanted him there, I think at some point (well, some point in the OP's story) she would have said, "Yeah, I met that guy earlier, he was pretty cool. I invited him back to the tent, but I must have nodded off." But she didn't. She said things like,"What are you talking about?" ABOUT THE FRIGGING GUY IN THE TENT WITH HER and said that she was dropped off and the guy must have come back. To me, that doesn't sound like a hookup, drunken or not. That sounds like a guy she didn't invite coming into her tent and I don't know about you, but even if I've had a little mmj and a couple of beers, I can tell if someone I don't want is in my tent. I don't tell someone that all I want to do is sleep when I've just been interrupted from my consensual sex.
Yes, we are all making hypotheticals from the story and having to making at least small hops to conclusions. I by no means want to accuse someone of something they didn't do. But I also don't think that we should read a story like this and say, "Oh well, no one got raped, so there's no need for concern."
And I have no qualms with buzzed hookups. But if you're caught with someone in a tent and you run off and the chick doesn't sit up and say, "Hey, where are you going? I thought we were going to hook up," or in some way respond, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HOOKING UP WITH HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. It does worry me that so many people are like, "Hey, it's Bonnaroo, people get drunk and hook up," because I do think there's a fine line between a drunken hookup and date rape. If you're having trouble figuring out where it is, I suggest you avoid drunken hookups and the possibility of a visit from the police the next day.
Here's the thing. If the chick wanted him there, I think at some point (well, some point in the OP's story) she would have said, "Yeah, I met that guy earlier, he was pretty cool. I invited him back to the tent, but I must have nodded off." But she didn't. She said things like,"What are you talking about?" ABOUT THE FRIGGING GUY IN THE TENT WITH HER and said that she was dropped off and the guy must have come back. To me, that doesn't sound like a hookup, drunken or not. That sounds like a guy she didn't invite coming into her tent and I don't know about you, but even if I've had a little mmj and a couple of beers, I can tell if someone I don't want is in my tent. I don't tell someone that all I want to do is sleep when I've just been interrupted from my consensual sex.
Yes, we are all making hypotheticals from the story and having to making at least small hops to conclusions. I by no means want to accuse someone of something they didn't do. But I also don't think that we should read a story like this and say, "Oh well, no one got raped, so there's no need for concern."
And I have no qualms with buzzed hookups. But if you're caught with someone in a tent and you run off and the chick doesn't sit up and say, "Hey, where are you going? I thought we were going to hook up," or in some way respond, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HOOKING UP WITH HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. It does worry me that so many people are like, "Hey, it's Bonnaroo, people get drunk and hook up," because I do think there's a fine line between a drunken hookup and date rape. If you're having trouble figuring out where it is, I suggest you avoid drunken hookups and the possibility of a visit from the police the next day.
Yeah I agree. Everyone here is just taking what OP said and picturing stuff. When reading the story it says she got annoyed with OP asking more questions and refused to keep answering them. It also said she had a couple of beers and some MMJ. It also said the guy didn't ask the other guy anything. It said she just went back to sleep after the questions were done. It also said she asked OP to stay in what i thought was the tent he was already staying in but that detail gets murky? It says she ran off with this guy pre-headliner then thru Macca. It said a lot we can all draw different conclusions from. I mean really people he could of just got there. He could of been there for 30 mins. He could of been trying to rape, he could of been trying to get her to go have a piece of spicy pie, he could be a murderer, he could be a guy that has never once had a date in his life and is socially awkward and wouldn't even know what to do with his banana stand, he could be a guy just trying to find a Roo friend, he could be a homo-sexual. She could of been drunk. She could of been barely buzzed and tired. We all know like my first post says what he SHOULD of done even if he wanted to hang out with his new Roo buddy some more was maybe just see if she was rallying and wanted to partake in more fun (NOT BY GOING IN THE TENT).
No one here is like "date rape is cool" or REMOTELY defending date rape in ANY flipping form. WE ALL AGREE rape, date rape, taking advantage of girls, letting a girl get taken advantage of etc etc is a MORAL ATROCITY. These are not flipping questioned here.
The ONLY thing questioned here is some dude who had is shoes off with very little story who is getting accused of doing a lot of crazy ass things when I tried to point out at a flipping festival with tons and tons of people meeting there is a lot of harmless shiz happening here as much as there is negative shiz. and in fact considering the sheer amount of drunken, druqs laden shiz that happens at Roo there is ALWAYS possibilities of crazy shiz happeningas much as some lonely dude just coming to say hi to his friend for all we know was like "Hey come visit me later at camp X" or "hey lets hang later". I just don't assume the worst in people I guess.. I got invited to no less then 6 people's camps over Roo. All were harmless. I mean even when he got there he could of been like "Hey Girl Name came to hang out like you said" and went in to make sure she is oK. i have no clue. But i know just saying "I am not so sure he is going to rape her" sure has made some people think that means I am defending rape.
Do you think it is normal to find out some dude you didn't want around you at all was hiding in your tent and you just found out then refused to answer questions about it? There is a lot of this story that is like "eehhh i dunno about that"
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I don't think boys taking advantage of girls is ok.
But I think it's a little prudish to think that it's not ok for a girl to use her parts in any way she see fit. Come on.
I don't think paying a little extra attention to a boy after being shown a particularly good time is anything to look down upon. No one is taking advantage of anyone. If anything it's the girl that's in a place of power.
Come on girls. All this women's lib. And we still can't be comfortable with our own bodies and not worry about what society considers a slut?
From the original story I didn't sense any assault. Just a bung of assuming. I'm sure girl has just as much virtue intact as she did when she arrived to the festival. The guy only had his shoes off.
I just pointed out how tasteless it was for "people" to make light of a situation like this.....regardless of what happened it is NOT joking matter. Its NOT a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. It is a situation that could have had a very bad outcome (luckily it didnt). The way you talk about it so casually is disturbing.
What isn't a joking matter? The OP's inherit stranger danger fear, or the story that's currently open for interpretation?
OK. But in all seriousness if you can't handle a few beers without getting fall down drunk you need step back and check yourself. Bonnaroo isn't for the weak. Be a professional.
Not to say it doesn't happen to the best of us. There are five hours of time that I lost at a Roo. I had no idea what I did or what happened to me during that time. I could have been some kids play thing. Turns out I danced and chit chatted with a fellow inforooer who filled me in on this a few months ago. So it all worked out.
It hasn't happened to me since then because I check myself.
Girls shouldn't have to count on a guy to take care of them. At least not a festival. In real life we all want to be taken care of like a princess and treated like slut in bed.
Post by Od Lid Johnny on Jul 3, 2013 0:05:41 GMT -5
O girl prolly just got bust down. And she was tryin to be all slutty to OP but he was too much of a good guy to notice it and she didn't want to blow it. Ya know, because she's a big ol' slut.
Sorry if this is lengthy. Hopefully my storytelling will keep you captivated enough....
No need to apologize if it takes a few lines to tell your story, I read every word. Sounds like she was pretty F'd up (5+ beers can be a lot for a girl and/or someone who isn't a heavy drinker, not to mention the ganj situation) and the EMPLOYEE tried to take advantage of her. That is not okay, not at Bonnaroo, not ever anywhere. It's a good thing you were paying attention, though I probably would have done more than tell him to "get out," for better or for worse.
I suppose the lesson to be learned is that even at an event like Bonnaroo, where 98% of us have a great time 98% of the time, shiz can still go south on you.
I hope you and your friend are not deterred from returning next year if you like the lineup, and you are more than welcome to camp with my group if you want some extra people to hang with. Good ol' Roo sex like people here talk about is one thing, but everyone at least needs to be capable of consenting before making the mistakes we make. Good luck to you both, and glad you got back when you did.
You are just trying to view morality in an objective sense when this is clearly more subjective.
Morality is not subjective when a situation seriously looks like attempted [date]rape. Fortunately the OP returned to the tent when he did, or who knows what the employee would have done. The apparent confusion of the girl and the quickness with which the employee left are telling enough, in my opinion. In any case, if a situation is murky I'd rather rooster-block a drunk friend then let them be subjected to something they were not totally able to consent to. But I guess that is a subjective call.
O girl prolly just got bust down. And she was tryin to be all slutty to OP but he was too much of a good guy to notice it and she didn't want to blow it. Ya know, because she's a big ol' slut.
Yeah, you are real funny, just like possible attempted rape.
Girls shouldn't have to count on a guy to take care of them. At least not a festival. In real life we all want to be taken care of like a princess and treated like slut in bed.
Very true, except that festivals are a part of real life, and people do make mistakes and get a little more F'd up than expected sometimes. Maybe not everyone is as awesome and self-aware as you, ya know? Maybe you are extra awesome, so that doesn't mean others should be taken advantage of because they aren't as awesome as you. I'm really glad the OP was as vigilant and timely as he was, because it sure doesn't sound like his friend intended to get wild and bang a random guy just cause she was at a festival. We'll never know if the girl would have been okay without a guy looking out for her in this particular instance, but he did and she is.
I think we obviously need to ask the original poster more questions or lay this to rest. Otherwise this thread will mutate into questionable jokes and assuming theories.
I think we obviously need to ask the original poster more questions or lay this to rest. Otherwise this thread will mutate into questionable jokes and assuming theories.
Col Mustard did it in the library with the candlestick.
We don't know enough details to make any judgements on this situation. So I'm locking it. But if the OP wants to share more or comment on our opinions, they can PM me and I will gladly unlock it.
