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Also bogart and viking could you please give us a list of your suspicions? Since one of you is going to die we need to know what you are thinking
I will, but I want to see how the responses play out first. Tomorrow morning I will put everything out there, even though I think Bogart is going to go the second night.
Also bogart and viking could you please give us a list of your suspicions? Since one of you is going to die we need to know what you are thinking
I will, but I want to see how the responses play out first. Tomorrow morning I will put everything out there, even though I think Bogart is going to go the second night.
I expected some reaction but obviously didn't expect that. My quick reaction is I don't think he nessicarily needed to come out, but at that same time it feels like a genuine panic come out which makes it beleive able. When trying to figure out an inspector claims I usually look for information that just works out too conviniently like his given name is already dead, about to get voted off, etc. so there is that strike already there. He did promptly started answering Vikings question, which in my opinion raises his credibility. I'll examine a little bit more when I'm not on my phone, but I'm leaning towards buying it.
All initial votes are in. I would like to get this round closed tomorrow (Tuesday) around noon PM BST. If anyone feels they want/need additional time tag me in your post or send me a PM. Voting remains open . . .
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Cool your jets, Viking. I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was going up to the mountains between the 29th and the 2nd (my time) - I'm very busy here with chores, dinner parties, other activities, and just spending time with family. Like everyone, I do have a life outside of Mafia.
I do wish I could like this post - not just because you were with Aussies, but because Inforoo desperately needs more appreciators of vino (although maybe you aren't appreciating it quite as much today).
However, I gave it a night to mull it over and re-read the thread, and this still isn't sitting well with me. Your most recent post kind of dodged my question - even though from what I've seen in previous games, you usually tend to be pretty rational and straightforward. So, until someone raises my suspicions further, I think your name should be thrown in the hat too.
Sleepy >>> Viking
You never really asked a question, only for an explanation, which I promised when the violent uprising of pain receptors in my brain had been put down. It is not a dodge if I tell you I intend to explain. Also, the thread you quoted was the 19 person invitational which had very different rules and length than this game. You have a detective in addition to inspector, and there were 5 mafia members. Plus, there were 9 nights. You could afford a red herring, where as in this game, there are 5 rounds, and the inspector usually will come out earlier in the game, especially if they have 2 names. Having 2 mafia members really helps the town, and therefore, it would be pretty foolish for the mafia to NOT hunt the inspector.
You mentioned the hangover but didn't mention at all that you were going to explain your vote any further. As far as I knew, that was your final say. I was still clearly asking you to explain further, albeit in the form of a question. Let's not argue semantics.
I was mafia in that 19-player game you mention, and our the decision-making process was no different than in 11-player games. If anything, there was actually more at stake, as you had to keep the ruse up long enough to whack 14 townies. I don't think that explanation holds much water. And I'm very used to LD making "come at me bro" type posts. That seems to be the norm more than anything, actually. LD even said himself that he likes to start things up when he's a townie because he just gets bored. Yet he has been comparatively reserved this game, which has made me wonder a bit.
If the mafia do not have a good guess, they eliminate the more experienced players / biggest threat. LD is very experienced but as a townie, his threat is reduced because of his history or faking inspector as a townie. He is difficult for a townie to sort out, which casts suspicion on him later in the game, and killing him off actually makes the field a lot clearer. This is actually a credit to how good LD is, but it would be a mistake to view his whack as a good choice for a red herring.
It would also be a mistake to necessarily view it as a direct retaliation. In my experience, mafia are most focused on what will throw people off the trail more than anything. I just think you're focusing too narrowly on a single method of attack, to the detriment of the town.
While I agree with the fact he is a firebrand, (there are quite a few in this game), the second issue I had with your post is to say he was reserved this game. I actually almost posted in Day 1 that LD was a lot more verbose and involved in this game than normal. He was doing the opposite of keeping his head low. Most day 1s, LD does not post much and just tries to survive and avoid suspicion. So my issue with your post is that you have completely characterized how he plays.
I beg to differ on that. In one of the last games we played, he came out pretty early on with a couple more aggressive attacks. I'm very used to LD making "come at me bro" type posts. LD even said himself that he likes to start things up when he's a townie because he just gets bored, so that's why his style stuck out to me more.
The final issue I had was that you just discussed LD and not any of the names he brought up. Not a big issue, but it raised a nerve that night because it helps you to avoid taking any sides and discussing potential mafia members if you are mafia. Less of an issue in sober reflection.
Mafia are well known for voting for other mafia, so it seemed I could infer less from that than from out-of-character behaviour. I generally vote on that and other slip-ups over voting patterns, which often don't tell you much.
So now, my question for you is what was not sitting well with what I posted and what am I dodging?
I told you what I thought you were dodging - namely, a more reasoned explanation - and that was what was not sitting well with me.
It seems my goose is as good as cooked now - conveniently cooked exactly when I said I would be away, I might add - so I'll leave it at that. Townies, when Viking is still alive several days in and leading you off with all sorts of specious reasoning, it might serve you well to take a much closer look at his more curious claims and see where his true allegiance lies.
It seems my goose is as good as cooked now - conveniently cooked exactly when I said I would be away, I might add - so I'll leave it at that. Townies, when Viking is still alive several days in and leading you off with all sorts of specious reasoning, it might serve you well to take a much closer look at his more curious claims and see where his true allegiance lies.
OK, well I do appreciate the effort you put into that Sleepy. Can you tell us any theories you may have? You have confirmed to me that you are mafia and that Bogart was honestly the inspector, but if you are hoping to sow doubt for future days, now is your chance.
It seems my goose is as good as cooked now - conveniently cooked exactly when I said I would be away, I might add - so I'll leave it at that. Townies, when Viking is still alive several days in and leading you off with all sorts of specious reasoning, it might serve you well to take a much closer look at his more curious claims and see where his true allegiance lies.
OK, well I do appreciate the effort you put into that Sleepy. Can you tell us any theories you may have? You have confirmed to me that you are mafia and that Bogart was honestly the inspector, but if you are hoping to sow doubt for future days, now is your chance.
And how have I confirmed anything? All I've done is rebut your points, which you then automatically dismissed. That doesn't seem like appreciation at all. But sure, take the guy backing up your position at face value with no critical judgment whatsoever.
Townies, when this thing has gone on several extra rounds and Bogart & Viking are still alive, hopefully it won't be too late for you to figure out where to look.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
OK, well I do appreciate the effort you put into that Sleepy. Can you tell us any theories you may have? You have confirmed to me that you are mafia and that Bogart was honestly the inspector, but if you are hoping to sow doubt for future days, now is your chance.
And how have I confirmed anything? All I've done is rebut your points, which you then automatically dismissed. That doesn't seem like appreciation at all. But sure, take the guy backing up your position at face value with no critical judgment whatsoever.
Townies, when this thing has gone on several extra rounds and Bogart & Viking are still alive, hopefully it won't be too late for you to figure out where to look.
I dismissed it because it is utter bu11shit. You do a great job persuasively writing, but the fact remains that what you are suggesting is complete fiction. Plus, as for explaining any theories, you have offered nothing. Who is the third, since you obviously are suggesting Bogart and I are mafia together? More on that in a second. Who do you believe are townies? You completely dodged this to layer more lies onto the previous ones.
I told you I was coming back, LD is rolling in his grave with your "come at me bro" description, since he is about as anti-bro as you can get, he WAS being more active, and if you killed LD to throw us off your trail, it failed miserably.
The one point I do agree with is that mafia vote for each other. It figures in my accounting of Jimmyroo being mafia with you.
As for Bogart and I being mafia, here is why it does not work. There are 4 scenarios right now that could plausibly be at play: Bogart is inspector and I was actually his asked name. Sleepy confirmed this for me with his continued attacks on me, but I know this leaves 3 alternatives for the rest of the town.
The first is that Bogart is mafia faking inspector, I am mafia with him, and LD was our inspector. For this scenario to work, all 3 mafia would have to be alive, since if Bogart or myself is not whacked night 2, the town will be after us nights 3 and 4. Right now, we would be sitting with a 3 v 6 advantage. Even if we had written Bogart off, we would have a 2 v 5 advantage tomorrow, and a good chance to reassert control in Day 3. Either way, a 3/6 advantage is much more powerful than faking inspector and taking our chances with a 3 person day 5. Especially considering that I do not think many people viewed me as mafia at this point anyways. What sleepy is asking you to believe is that if I was mafia with Bogart, we are trading strength in numbers already for a chance to run a 3 way final gambit.
The second more plausible scenario is that Bogart is mafia, throwing the trail onto either an townie or mafia Sleepy, while clearing me as a townie. This scenario is why I did not lay all this out last night and poked Sleepy a bit. Sleepy could either have been an innocent townie or mafia, and I needed to sort out which one. If he was a townie, he more likely to directly respond to Bogart's accusation, but he did not and instead attacked me, one of the only people who initially questioned Bogart (Although admittedly not too hard since it fit with where I was). However, accounting for Sleepy's experience and skill, I poked again, and he continued to gloss past Bogart and instead attacked me. If Sleepy had been a townie, the town would have lynched one of their own, Bogart would have lived Night 2. Then he would most likely have been lynched night 3, and the town would have come for me night 4. If there were 3 mafia at the time this started, the mafia could have theoretically won, making this a valid path.
However, with Sleepy as mafia, he gets lynched today, Bogart lives night 2 but is under suspicion day 3 and gets lynched then, and then the mafia would be down to 1 final member. (This only works if all 3 are alive, since the game would be over otherwise Night 3). All three of these scenarios count on LD being inspector and counting on them getting him Night 1, making all of them much less likely to be chosen.
The first I can personally rule out since I know I am a townie. The second, I ruled out after the last few posts from Sleepy. And the third I ruled out because it makes no sense, since it trades 2 mafia for no gain.
TL;DR, I now believe Bogart is our true inspector and Sleepy is absolutely Mafia.
Why vote Bogart instead of coming after me? Sleepy has been mainly trying to discredit me and not Bogart. If you kill me instead, you can get a lot more information by leaving Bogart alive.
All initial votes are in. I would like to get this round closed tomorrow (Tuesday) around noon PM BST. If anyone feels they want/need additional time tag me in your post or send me a PM. Voting remains open . . .
Mike, can we get a little more time? I want to see if Sleepy responds and he just rang in the new year 2 hours ago. 12 BST will be 5 Am his time. Can we extend to say, 6PM BST? He should be able to check in prior to 11AM his time.
I will, but I want to see how the responses play out first. Tomorrow morning I will put everything out there, even though I think Bogart is going to go the second night.
I would agree but we should cover our bases
I still plan on doing this, just want to wait until the last minute.
Basically I hadn't changed my vote as the stack was on and it was really just a formality at that point but I'm not sure what's going on with Tejas switching back. Hakuna >> Sleepy Just to avoid any shenanigans as it is NYE and I'm assuming people may not be paying attentions, I don't want to see any kind of last mintues moves or what not to save Sleepy.
Basically I hadn't changed my vote as the stack was on and it was really just a formality at that point but I'm not sure what's going on with Tejas switching back. Hakuna >> Sleepy Just to avoid any shenanigans as it is NYE and I'm assuming people may not be paying attentions, I don't want to see any kind of last mintues moves or what not to save Sleepy.
My reason for not switching votes as well. I am a bit concerned about Tejas switching his vote back, as well as Bacon asking for reads from both Viking and Bogart, though I do understand the logic behind wanting to know. While the town would benefit from getting some insight from other town/inspector, it could be mafia trying to figure out what route to take with the whack. That's simply me sounding my thoughts though, not saying that is the case.
Since the numbers re in favor of Sleepy being the lynch I don't see the reason to beat a dead horse, so I want to wish you all a wonderful NYE. I may still check in later on, but I wanted to get that out there in case I don't make it.
You have been lurking around here all morning. Any plans to explain your vote switch?
Basically I just didn't want to follow suit with everyone else. Because ultimately Sleepy is going to get lynched so my vote on bogart really does nothing. Shotty logic, sure but I'm trying to play a little different this game. I always sit back and just kind of ride waves either if I'm townie or mafia. But I'd like to get more active and stir the waters a little bit.
The fact that Sleepy didn't even address bogart calling him out, makes me believe that Sleepy is most likely mafia. And that'll be confirmed when Bogart gets whacked tonight. And then you'll get whacked after that since you're the only confirmed townie.
If it plays out like that I'll look at the game and see who tried to distance themselves from Sleepy when Bogart came out. I'm sure the mafia knows to stay far far away from sleepy after that.
Just looking at the game Krissy was the first one to put a vote on sleepy after bogart came out .
After bogart came out, you and Ody made posts about not necessarily believing bogart but not discounting it at the same time.
It frustrates me that people always ask about me, but I guess I will take it as both a compliment and a criticism.
Bogart, why come out now? I know you are stacked on right now, but why not wait until the runoff? Also, why vote for LD in day 1? What was your original thinking there?
Not saying I don't believe you, because I would like to, but I never trust inspector claims right away.
I also disagree with you on Jimmy. Even last round and especially after Sleepy's last post, I thought he was the opposite to Jimmy and trying to distance. Could be wrong on Jimmy if you are the inspector, but the vote linkages are there too.
I don't know whether to believe this or think Mafia is faking inspector now that Bogart already has 3 votes. I'm not sure I ever really thought Viking was mafia, though. Ugh.
Now yours and odys post seem very logical to me. Unsure if bogart is telling the truth so you wait to cast your vote.
Then Krissy comes in and without much discussion backs bogarts claim.
Well okay then. I'm going to give bogart the benefit of the doubt and move my vote. I at least don't want to contribute to voting off the inspector if he's truthful.
krissy>>>sleepy
Want to hear what sleepy has to say about the accusation, too.
Could it be a townie who believes Bogart, sure. It could also be mafia distancing themselves by being the first vote to back up the inspector.
You're just too young to grasp how stylin' I really was. All the boys wanted to do me when I was 5. Actually the girls did too. My haircut was confusing.
Mike D
Bonnafunky Dirtyroo King of the Smileys :-)
The fact that Sleepy didn't even address bogart calling him out, makes me believe that Sleepy is most likely mafia.
I'm not sure I follow. Care to explain this logic further?
I'm trying to decide who I find more suspicious now - Bogart hadn't even come up on my radar beforehand. I was wondering if he was mafia, or just pulling an LD and faking inspector. I haven't had time to go over his posts and look for questionable claims and possible alliances yet, and am a bit too hungover to properly analyse them all right now, anyway. However, in the interest of self-preservation...
Well okay then. I'm going to give bogart the benefit of the doubt and move my vote. I at least don't want to contribute to voting off the inspector if he's truthful.
krissy>>>sleepy
Want to hear what sleepy has to say about the accusation, too.
Could it be a townie who believes Bogart, sure. It could also be mafia distancing themselves by being the first vote to back up the inspector.
Just to set your mind at ease, I'm a townie who believes Bogart is inspector. IMO, it'd be stupid for mafia to jump right on an inspectors claim. It'd make more sense to me for them to wait for others to move, then go along with the pack - or toss a vote elsewhere.
Could Bogart be faking? Sure... But the last time I was in a game with a fake inspector, the real one came out to call bs. Haven't seen any of that, along with sleepy not trying too hard to defend himself, so I'm leaning towards Bogart being the real deal.
Then Krissy comes in and without much discussion backs bogarts claim. Could it be a townie who believes Bogart, sure. It could also be mafia distancing themselves by being the first vote to back up the inspector.
Just to set your mind at ease, I'm a townie who believes Bogart is inspector. IMO, it'd be stupid for mafia to jump right on an inspectors claim. It'd make more sense to me for them to wait for others to move, then go along with the pack - or toss a vote elsewhere.
I hate statements like this so much. Why would it be stupid? Because it would attract attention and be soooo obvious that it couldn't be a mafia move? By that logic if one was mafia that's EXACT move to make. If mafia played that way and did everything with that train of thought, the town would win every single game. I feel like I say it just about every game but for me anyways, when someone pulls the "if I were mafia, would I do that" card it just raises my suspicions.
Just to set your mind at ease, I'm a townie who believes Bogart is inspector. IMO, it'd be stupid for mafia to jump right on an inspectors claim. It'd make more sense to me for them to wait for others to move, then go along with the pack - or toss a vote elsewhere.
I hate statements like this so much. Why would it be stupid? Because it would attract attention and be soooo obvious that it couldn't be a mafia move? By that logic if one was mafia that's EXACT move to make. If mafia played that way and did everything with that train of thought, the town would win every single game. I feel like I say it just about every game but for me anyways, when someone pulls the "if I were mafia, would I do that" card it just raises my suspicions.
I understand that. I actually stared at the statement for a long time before posting it for that reason. Still posted it because, for better or worse, those are my thoughts.
