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1) The Referee randomly chose from the 11 players 3 Mafiosi and 1 Inspector. (Using random.org, assigning each player a number between 1 and 11, the 1st random number was Inspector, 2nd was given mafia name, 3rd and 4th were other mafia.) The remaining 7 players are Townspeople. Each player is informed of their role via PM, and are not allowed to share that information with one another except in the official Mafia game thread. The Mafia are informed of one another's identity, and they are allowed to converse among themselves privately. To put it plainly:
a) If you are not a member of the mafia, do not discuss the mafia game outside the mafia thread with any other player, or with any non-player who might discuss the game with a player. b) If you are a member of the mafia, you may discuss the game freely among your fellow mafia only. Do not discuss the game outside of this thread with any non-player or player that is not mafia.
2) The Inspector is informed of his/her part, and also of the identity of one randomly chosen Mafia player. The inspector may at any time reveal their identity to the players within the thread (see game play warnings above).
3) Voting will begin when the Referee creates the new Mafia thread and has tagged each of the players in that game to notify the players the game has begun. Voting will be open for 24 hours each round *see note below, or until everyone has cast and locked their vote - whichever comes first.
a) The Referee will post a planned vote closing date/time/time zone for each round. Additional time may be given by the Referee to allow for continued discussion. Players have the right to request the Referee to consider an extension in the thread or via PM. Voting will not follow the *24-hour rule on the weekends. The Referee will only close voting on a Saturday or Sunday if all players have cast their vote and the Referee has posted his/her intention to close the round on the weekend prior to the weekend. The weekend is defined as Friday 5 pm CST though Monday 7 am CST. The Referee will not close a round prior to the planned end date/time unless all of the voting players that are not in danger of being lynched (no votes cast against them) lock their votes. b) Voting is cast by players stating their Inforoo name followed by the Inforoo name of the player they are voting for: ex> Player1 >> Player2. c) Players (living or dead) may not change their Inforoo name after the Referee has created the new Mafia thread announcing the players until the game has completed when the Referee posts the winning team and the players roles. d) A player may choose to vote 'null' as a temporary vote place-holder by stating this vote in the same manner as a traditional vote. If the player does not replace the Null vote by the close of the round, this will count as a missed vote for the player. e) If votes are tied when the round closes, an additional *24 hour round will start. This is referred to as a Run-Off in the game. Votes for players in the runoff are carried over, other votes are reset. Once the runoff has begun, players that voted for the players in the runoff may change their votes IE once the runoff is established, players are not locked to their initial vote. f) If a player has not voted before voting closes, their vote will not be counted. A missed vote entering a run-off will be treated the same as a missed vote to end the round. When a player misses a vote, the Referee will specifically post within the Mafia thread stating "Player X has missed 1 vote. g) A single day in game play can include several vote closings. A missed vote in any rounds of a day count as a missed vote. If a player misses two votes, not two days, they are out of the game regardless of how good the reason. A second missed vote will result in Player X's 'auto-lynch'". When the Referee declares a player as having missed two votes that player will be declared the day kill. Voting will cease, the two-vote miss player is dead, and the Night round will begin. The removed player will also be suspended from participating in the following game.
4) Each day a vote is held for the player to be eliminated. For online play, deliberation and voting is combined; thus, you can vote and explain yourself in the same post. Every player is free to change their vote at any point up until the Referee declares that voting is closed. The Referee will then post the final tally, announce which player is eliminated and how they died.
5) During the Night, the Mafia decide on the player they want to eliminate (assassinate), and inform the Referee via PM.
6) Likewise during the night the Inspector will PM the Referee and guess one player's Mafia status. The Referee will respond with a 'yes' or 'no' answer.
7) The Referee shall neither answer an Inspector's inquiry nor execute a Mafia's chosen victim until after having received both the Inspector's inquiry and the Mafia's chosen victim. If the Inspector is the victim, the Inspector is not owed an answer from the Referee. The Referee shall only accept victim names from living Mafia players.
8) Nights will last 12-18 hours, at the ref's discretion. Nights do not follow the weekend rule and will end once the 12-18 hours are completed unless extended by the referee.
a) If the Inspector has not made a guess within 18 hours during a Night round, the Inspector will forfeit that guess. b) If the Mafia have not reported a whack victim within 18 hours during a Night round, the Mafia will forfeit that whack and the Townspeople will receive another round of voting during that Night round to offset the missed whack.
9) Play continues until all the Mafia have been killed (Townspeople win), or the Mafia out number the Townspeople (Mafia win).
10) The Like Rule: No person, player or otherwise, may like any posts by active players.
11) Player roles will not be revealed by the Referee until the game has concluded.
12) AKA The Bek Rule: Players who have been eliminated are still welcome to post in this thread, but they may not say anything leading to any knowledge, suspicions or opinions you might have. In the event a dead player posts in the Mafia thread and the Referee decides the post is relevant to the potential outcome of the game, the Referee will notify the player privately of the rule violation and a one game suspension. Upon the completion of the game, the Referee will post the decision within the thread.
13) AKA The kdogg Rule: There will be no sharing of role PMs inside the thread or outside for the purpose of disclosing your role to another player. This also goes for password sharing. Common sense should be used, no discussion of your roles, except between Mafia, outside the thread - EVER.
14) AKA The Bacon Rule: The bigger the whiner, the smaller the wiener.
It is up to the referee of an active game to state and enforce the rules as the game starts. Changes may be made to start the game, but will not change once the game has started. All violations of game rules will be addressed by the referee. If there is a dispute in a game in progress, the referee may discuss it with non-players to resolve any issues or rule violations. In addition, the referee is responsible for maintaining an updated tally that includes the following:
a) A list of players currently with a vote on them, including the number of votes b) A list of the current votes for that round c) A list of players yet to vote d) Estimated time until the round will close e) Any additional notes on the game
15) Persons not directly involved in the game (i.e. not the ref or a player) are requested to keep posts to a minimum. As a rule of thumb, no more than 2 posts per page and no more than a paragraph per post. Use common sense.
16) Locking: If all players who are not in jeopardy of being lynched lock, the round will end. Until this happens, locked players have the option of changing their votes.
In addition to game rules, all players are expected to follow the guidelines and policies of the forum. Forum violations will initially be handled by the referee and penalties will be given on a case by case basis.
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***REF NOTES***
The opening round of each day will last 36 hours, but the runoffs may initially have 24 hour deadlines at the ref's discretion. For a 24 hour runoff, the first extension request will be granted, and subsequent requests will occur at the discretion of the ref.
Nights will be posted in 6 hour increments - either 6, 12, or 18 hours after commencement.
The game will run on EASTERN STANDARD TIME
Last Edit: Jan 18, 2017 8:46:47 GMT -5 by JR: Newer edits in red - Back to Top
Post by potentpotables on Jan 18, 2017 8:38:02 GMT -5
Honestly, 2 posts/page seems like a lot to me. I think we should remove that type of reference and essentially say it's at the ref's discretion (like most other things). I also think that, until we come to agreement on locking votes - which seems unlikely to happen - the ref should just put in the rules what their interpretation for the commencing game will be. Again, ref's discretion.
Honestly, 2 posts/page seems like a lot to me. I think we should remove that type of reference and essentially say it's at the ref's discretion (like most other things). I also think that, until we come to agreement on locking votes - which seems unlikely to happen - the ref should just put in the rules what their interpretation for the commencing game will be. Again, ref's discretion.
The problem with the locking votes rule with last game, was that we have two conflicting rules. One basically said the ref has to end the game, while the locking rules state the Day is over with locks. I look at it similar to having a time deadline for each round. For example, it the ref states a round ends at 11am, that's a hard stop. If the ref doesn't come in and officially "end" the round until noon, the 11am deadline was still in effect, and if there were any vote switches after 11, they don't count. Same with locking votes that end a day. The locked votes end the day the same as a time deadline, doesn't matter if the ref is immediately there to end it or not.
Honestly, 2 posts/page seems like a lot to me. I think we should remove that type of reference and essentially say it's at the ref's discretion (like most other things). I also think that, until we come to agreement on locking votes - which seems unlikely to happen - the ref should just put in the rules what their interpretation for the commencing game will be. Again, ref's discretion.
The problem with the locking votes rule with last game, was that we have two conflicting rules. One basically said the ref has to end the game, while the locking rules state the Day is over with locks. I look at it similar to having a time deadline for each round. For example, it the ref states a round ends at 11am, that's a hard stop. If the ref doesn't come in and officially "end" the round until noon, the 11am deadline was still in effect, and if there were any vote switches after 11, they don't count. Same with locking votes that end a day. The locked votes end the day the same as a time deadline, doesn't matter if the ref is immediately there to end it or not.
Which is why the ref should make it clear at the beginning of the game. For example, if I were reffing the next game, I would say this:
"Locked votes will speed up the end of a round/day/game. If you lock your vote, you are willing to have the round/day/game end earlier than planned with your vote where it is. When all players without votes have locked their vote, the round/day/game will end. On Day 5, this means that one locked vote, from a player without a vote on her/him, can end the game."
In my opinion, that addresses both rules, saying that I've ended the game at that point with the locked votes.
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Just my opinion - I would say talk to both the ref and the person who reported a post to get feedback and move forward from there.
I guess I don't know what you would normally do when you get a reported post, though.
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Just my opinion - I would say talk to both the ref and the person who reported a post to get feedback and move forward from there.
I guess I don't know what you would normally do when you get a reported post, though.
Who is the ref? I try to avoid that thread like a case of head lice.
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Agree with above. Check with Referee and player involved. I still say "don't be a dick" is still a rule of thumb that should apply here.
But I'm a suspended jerk for breaking the "don't like posts" rule for backing up a certain poster who suggested some things were why women don't play. I might be an outlier in my decency?
Also of note: Jaz seems to somehow consider himself commissioner. If he's letting things get out of hand on his watch, I might suggest stripping him of that title/"title" and having a new appointment and/or election there.
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Its public knowledge my post was the one to be reported. Feel free to PM me as well, I will cooperate with whatever the process requires.
I don't want to "strip" anyone of their title, but we mods get these reports and we don't really know what to do with this cluster fuck you guys call a game. There seems to be no line.
I got suspended from the sidelines for supporting something that merited your intervention by way of post reports, and that's kind of messed up as far as I'm concerned.
I got suspended from the sidelines for supporting something that merited your intervention by way of post reports, and that's kind of messed up as far as I'm concerned.
Remind me what my intervention was. I don't recall messing with Mafia except one time over Rummy 500 .
I got suspended from the sidelines for supporting something that merited your intervention by way of post reports, and that's kind of messed up as far as I'm concerned.
Remind me what my intervention was. I don't recall messing with Mafia except one time over Rummy 500 .
What you're talking about right now. And I can imagine what Rummy's situation was about. Guessing Viking was involved?
You also intervened more recently when ZIG spammed "sorry" about 800 times in a single post a couple months ago. At least that incident was just being a jerk without the sexism?
Question. What is a mod supposed to do when a mafia post is reported? There are so many rules I dont want to break one. And you guys are so horrible to each other in there I don't know what is crossing the line.
Agree with above. Check with Referee and player involved. I still say "don't be a dick" is still a rule of thumb that should apply here.
But I'm a suspended jerk for breaking the "don't like posts" rule for backing up a certain poster who suggested some things were why women don't play. I might be an outlier in my decency?
Also of note: Jaz seems to somehow consider himself commissioner. If he's letting things get out of hand on his watch, I might suggest stripping him of that title/"title" and having a new appointment and/or election there.
Viking's Commissioner. My title of "Commissioner Apprentice", if you will, was conferred upon by Fawn and others. It wasn't even something I asked for (it was offered to me and I said "sure"), and I've done nothing even moderately commissioner-like until the last game. The only reason I even stepped in regarding the last game is because you were interfering with a game you weren't even a part of, and someone needed to step up and calm things down. Had the events of last game not occurred, absolutely nothing would have come of your actions this game, as they were rather minor in and of themselves, in my opinion. But as noble as your intents may have been, when I view your current actions through the lens of the last game you very much come across as if you're trying to see what you can get away with in terms of rule-skirting, and now you're up in arms because people (not just me) aren't having it. Honestly I couldn't care less about titles or anything else like that - this is an internet forum game and not all that serious. I'm all for abdicating the role given to me if people don't like how I've handled things; it means very little to me and I just want to be able to play Mafia without all this dramatic bs (and yes, your use of emotive language in this post is indeed dramatic). I really just wish you'd take a step back to look at your own role in the situation, understand how you're being perceived, and chill out for a bit.
And Druid I agree with kdogg in that the best course of action is to talk to the Ref. As I'm sure you're well aware, people trade barbs pretty frequently, but each person has different tolerances for that so a case-by-case basis is probably the best approach for when things are reported, in my opinion.
Game 96 - you should remember, because you were playing Roonectar AWOLed his way out of Day One and didn't get the suspension mandated by the applicable rule. You didn't bother to enforce that.
Last game I point out that there was a legitimate violation of the name change rule. Your decree was "Phi: Consider your wrist slapped - lightly - with a feather."
Mafia 89. Jesus Christ, Mafia 89. Worst game ever. You were a player. You watched that entire thing go down. When I was summoned to read that game, I was disgusted at the lack of intervention by everyone. But you, you of everyone should have stepped up. Tell me again what punishment Viking got for that? *crickets*
I swear, you've got tunnel vision worse than ZIG's for me when it comes to this stuff.
You want to be perceived as a fair commissioner? Maybe quit looking the other way when the offender is Anyone But Me.
Viking was present for those games. Not my call. And phi's name change was after dying, and still contained "phi", which is all anyone refers to him by. If anything I'm glad he changed it, because it shows the absurdity of the rule if strictly enforced as written in all cases. Did that rule ever get amended? At any rate, not all violations are equal in effect.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Jan 25, 2017 19:29:27 GMT -5
I think the problem is all the commissioners you've had have been Mafia insiders. Maybe it's time for Mafia to look outside itself for a new commissioner. Someone who has seen success elsewhere on the internet, and can apply that knowledge to returning Mafia to it's former glory. Someone not tainted by past conflicts with other Mafia players, who can therefore come in and rule impartially. Someone with no experience whatsoever as to how Mafia works, and with little desire to learn how it does.
If you elect me commissioner, I promise to build a wall to keep kdogg out. It's going to be tremendous.
Suggestion: Modify (or add) rule to say dead and non players shouldn't post in the thread. Period. End of story. If you're not actively in the game, then stay out of the game.
Suggestion: Modify (or add) rule to say dead and non players shouldn't post in the thread. Period. End of story. If you're not actively in the game, then stay out of the game.
(Reference Mafia 100)
I don't understand why everybody is such a hard ass on these rules.
So KDogg is dead now, he can't come post a tally? Our refs now are great and doing a good job controlling the game, but I know when I'm ref sometimes I am unable to get timely tallies posted. So Dead KDogg can't help me out?
Where's the common sense? We need people to start acting like adults in regards to this stuff.
Two exemptions I would want to make a case for, if an outight dead player posting ban is on the table: 1. Since all players have a vested interest in the outcome of a game and the process by which it is reached, I think there should be an exemption for posts related to rules clarifications, violations, and the like. As a parliamentarian kind of guy who doesn't often live to see endgame, I feel that increases the target on such players' backs and encourages moves within gray areas later in games. 2. I've noticed over at the Mafia Scum site, game rules commonly make an exception for what they call the "Bah!" post. You're making a mistake! You bastards! Avenge me! *shakes fist* kind of stuff to keep things fun.
