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it was a commentary on the current state of live music as I see it, not a commentary on each individual one of you. If anything it is a commentary on myself.
(i will be at the skrillex superjam, not flips or nick cave.)
i feel like you should lose all right to comment on the current state of live music when your idea of a good time is watching skrillex press the space bar from a stage designed to look like a space ship.
im sorry that you need flashing lights and smoke and gimmicks to enjoy live music.
headynugsinthalot you have to understand that you are new here and only have 20 posts. You haven't been around long enough to tell other people that their taste in music sucks. That privileged is reserved for a very few certain members.
Dude, surely you knew that this wouldn't go over very well here. We don't allow members to tell other members what music they should like or that their musical tastes suck...oh wait.
headynugsinthalot you have to understand that you are new here and only have 20 posts. You haven't been around long enough to tell other people that their taste in music sucks. That privileged is reserved for a very few certain members.
Dude, surely you knew that this wouldn't go over very well here. We don't allow members to tell other members what music they should like or that their musical tastes suck...oh wait.
I think your opinion of a show is a personal one. If it's a band who's lyrics I connect with, then they don't have to move a muscle, just deliver those lyrics straight to my soul. But I can see how that would be boring to someone not connected with it.
headynugsinthalot you have to understand that you are new here and only have 20 posts. You haven't been around long enough to tell other people that their taste in music sucks. That privileged is reserved for a very few certain members.
Dude, surely you knew that this wouldn't go over very well here. We don't allow members to tell other members what music they should like or that their musical tastes suck...oh wait.
You made the same joke twice.
The first one was a joke, the second was serious :-)
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I wanted to title this thread "the problem with live music" or something negative like that, but it would belie my point.
let me first preface this with my credentials/pedigree. I have worked in live sound for more than a decade. I have attended almost every single Bonnaroo. I have worked with small acts, and huge acts. I have a degree in music as well as a degree in recording engineering. I have found an affinity for almost every genre of music. I was raised on hippy stuff, had a pubescent renaissance with 90's grunge and alternative rock, found zappa and thought i was better than everyone else for getting it, took a lot of courses about dead composers, grew to like country music, drank purple stuff while enjoying DJ screw and Brotha Lynch Hung, stood pathologically stoic at a cephalic carnage concert and made money on the side DJing top 40. I even had a Bollywood phase. So I have done a decent job pervading and experiencing some of the deepest corners of music, from GG Allin to Lawrence Welk, from Townes Van Zandt to Varese, from Lil Flip to Flaming Lips. I am not stating this to boast, but to set the point that I have a multi-faceted grasp on music. Not saying that my opinion has more weight than anyone else's... but what the fuck is up with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? I'm kidding, this is not entirely what this post is about...
to me, buying a t-shirt is like getting an autograph, or taking a picture of yourself using that same rehearsed, plastic smile that adorns every other picture you took of yourself.
sure, I understand it, but i don't get it. maybe i am cynical and pretentious, but it all seems like so much effort to catalogue your experiences to use at a later time as proof you in fact experienced it. ok, so you are just buying a shirt. why that shirt?:
1)"because I like the design". fair enough. a very good reason whose only criterion is to satisfy an aesthetic preference. I have no problem with that.
2)"needed a shirt". again, a very good reason... one based on utilitarian criteria.
3)"i have a collection". not as good as the first two, but you have a tradition that you created to uphold and I ain't going to shit in your cereal over that.
4) "as a memento". eh... does your memory really need that kickstart? couldn't any other tangible item be used as a memento. Have you thought it out so much that you are erring on the side of caution that years from now, when you are peaking in your mid-life crisis and the world has beaten you into becoming your parents or living in some suburbanite purgatory, you rifle through a dusty box in the attic and reminisce about that person you used to be? you do get points for having a well thought out plan at least.
5) "i want people to know i was there". No one will truly own up to this last one, but 9 times out of 10 the other reasons are used to mask this truth to others and more importantly... yourself. (If you haven't leno'd me by now, get your clicking finger ready) the t-shirt has now become part of your plan to overcome a lack of social tact. it is a tattoo for people who don't like needles. something you employ to ensure that you are perceived by others the way you wish to be perceived... which is often a much more awesome version of yourself than you know is true. it all reeks of being an attention-seeking self-involved whore.
but why do I have this bitch about it? who the fuck am I to judge how you make friends?
I honestly don't care if you are one of the aforementioned whores. good for you if you found your niche.... your plan of attack on the world. but don't sit there and tell me that you are expressing yourself, or act like buying the shirt is anything other than the beginning of a disgraceful campaign to have people find you interesting.
I just want to get on the record that my musical taste is better than everyone else's. I'm thankful everyone else likes music that isn't as good as mine so I may have a better spot at concerts. Also my band t-shirt collection is pretty impressive.
I wanted to title this thread "the problem with live music" or something negative like that, but it would belie my point. let me first preface this with my credentials/pedigree. I have worked in live sound for more than a decade. I have attended almost every single Bonnaroo. I have worked with small acts, and huge acts. I have a degree in music as well as a degree in recording engineering. I have found an affinity for almost every genre of music. I was raised on hippy stuff, had a pubescent renaissance with 90's grunge and alternative rock, found zappa and thought i was better than everyone else for getting it, took a lot of courses about dead composers, grew to like country music, drank purple stuff while enjoying DJ screw and Brotha Lynch Hung, stood pathologically stoic at a cephalic carnage concert and made money on the side DJing top 40. I even had a Bollywood phase. So I have done a decent job pervading and experiencing some of the deepest corners of music, from GG Allin to Lawrence Welk, from Townes Van Zandt to Varese, from Lil Flip to Flaming Lips. I am not stating this to boast, but to set the point that I have a multi-faceted grasp on music. Not saying that my opinion has more weight than anyone else's... but what the fuck is up with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? I'm kidding, this is not entirely what this post is about... what does dubstep and disco have in common? in the 70's, sound systems were just starting to be able to reproduce 80Hz well. the concept of feeling that 4/4 beat in your sternum was an entirely new experience for most people. Same with Dubstep: these giant line array systems until recently had not been able to reproduce square and sawtooth waves without catching on fire. Reproducing those sounds was like discovering a new color. It added a new dynamic to experiencing concerts. I remember being far away in the back of the What field when Tool came on and Maynard whispered something like "whats up you smelly hippy's" and it sounded like he was right next to me. They had 7 or 9 delay towers that year and the sound was magical. So what do all these things have to do with each other, you are rambling dude... the point: Playing AT the crowd, no longer cuts it. Wayne Coyne gets it. Make it an interactive journey. simply coming out and playing music that I can sit in my car and listen to is not enough anymore. When Beck did the puppet show--fucking awesome. when Jay-Z had that phenomenal backdrop. R Kelly released the doves, Wayne rolls out in a hamster ball and passes out 50k laser pointers, Stevie Wonder had 100 different nations playing their respective drums... that is what makes it a full concert now. have a show. do not be some animatronic reproduction of your CD's in slightly different order. Bring something more. I am not even saying that you need a gimmick or to be chintzy, but it has to be a show--an entire package, complete sentence, full thought, overall theme, band antics. Something more than "yeah dude, i was like 12 feet away from him when he played that one song, twas epic...". Mumford and sons gently strumming mandolins in cardigans is not a show, it is a reproduction. it is idolatry, fame worship. fame proximity. It is no better than people who spend their entire vacation taking pictures to show how awesome of a time they had when they went somewhere and took all these pictures. "This is me smiling in cancun, and... oh here this one is great, all of us hunched over smiling in barbados"... I really like Cherub's music. Just watched a few live shows of theirs and I don't even want to go now. They are atrocious live it seems. Same goes with Nick Cave, wasn't a fan of his before the lineup dropped; but after seeing him stand up there like a cardboard cut out makes me want to go just to throw something at him. Maybe it is a commentary on the nature of fans nowadays, but I feel like we need more than just people playing instruments. "i went to that show and he played that one song i know every word to! it was amazing!". I feel like I am swimming upstream here when all everyone wants is to be comforted by the familiar while I want to be awed by the unfamiliar. "holy shit, who are these guys?". It is ok if you saw a band in Knoxville and then in Athens and it was the exact same show. They weren't expecting you to be at both. It is just like a theatrical play: they made a complete concept and go town to town doing that over and over again. All experiences should be a one time thing, trying to chase that across state lines to relive that moment is ridiculous. /rant
Wait!! I get it!!! you're a troll!!! lololololololololololol
Post by chanzkybychance on Jun 3, 2014 9:43:04 GMT -5
Lets see who just goes up and plays, BB King, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Ben Howard, Edward Sharpe, Neil Young, Cage the Elephant, just about all bluegrass bands, etc.....So what I got was that I might as well just sit in my Honda Accord and crank it up. I should get just about the same results. I'll give it a try and get back to you.
Lets see who just goes up and plays, BB King, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Ben Howard, Edward Sharpe, Neil Young, Cage the Elephant, just about all bluegrass bands, etc.....So what I got was that I might as well just sit in my Honda Accord and crank it up. I should get just about the same results. I'll give it a try and get back to you.
Shit, I forgot about Jeff Beck. That show blew my freaking mind in 2010. But at the same time, it definitely could have used more lasers and confetti.
When I watched Nick Cave I thought someone had shot Lyle Lovett with a tranquilizer dart.
Ok, now you're just trying to piss me off. Keep Lyle out of this.
I bought tickets to a Lyle Lovett concert once because I needed a third show in order to buy tickets early for a concert series in Atlanta. I almost didn't even go because it was at an amphitheater and it rained that day. But I did go, and it was, without a doubt, one of the most fun shows I have ever been to.
it was a commentary on the current state of live music as I see it, not a commentary on each individual one of you. If anything it is a commentary on myself.
(i will be at the skrillex superjam, not flips or nick cave.)
i feel like you should lose all right to comment on the current state of live music when your idea of a good time is watching skrillex press the space bar from a stage designed to look like a space ship.
im sorry that you need flashing lights and smoke and gimmicks to enjoy live music.
wanker.
You do understand Elton will be pressing buttons as well. If it's so easy why don't you do it?
i feel like you should lose all right to comment on the current state of live music when your idea of a good time is watching skrillex press the space bar from a stage designed to look like a space ship.
im sorry that you need flashing lights and smoke and gimmicks to enjoy live music.
wanker.
You do understand Elton will be pressing buttons as well. If it's so easy why don't you do it?
Not all of us can do the massive amounts of meth required to be Skrillex.
to be clear i have nothing against electronic music. in fact its rather the opposite.
putting down all electronic or dance music because it amounts to button pushing is madness.
putting down skrillex because he pretends to turn knobs and press buttons is accurate.
This 1000x.
Someone please try and tell me bands like Cut/Copy, Animal Collective, Big Gigantic, and Darkside are just button pushers. Is it dance music? Yes. Is it electronic music? Yes Is it button pushing? Fuck no. Just because these acts often have heavy electronic influences does not make them any less talented or entertaining. Skrillex is a different story though. I can't defend that.
to be clear i have nothing against electronic music. in fact its rather the opposite.
putting down all electronic or dance music because it amounts to button pushing is madness.
putting down skrillex because he pretends to turn knobs and press buttons is accurate.
This 1000x.
Someone please try and tell me bands like Cut/Copy, Animal Collective, Big Gigantic, and Darkside are just button pushers. Is it dance music? Yes. Is it electronic music? Yes Is it button pushing? Fuck no. Just because these acts often have heavy electronic influences does not make them any less talented or entertaining. Skrillex is a different story though. I can't defend that.
Y'all hear about David Guetta canceling a show because he lost his flash drive? Hahah
