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I could see Roo having the block party superjam (IF Dave wanted to do it, but I'm not so sure he would want to at a festival) and I'd love for Dave to curate a stage BUT I feel like Dave would only want to do that if he shacked up the artists who played on the stage and I doubt that Roo would have a stage/tent with that much hip hop/r&b on one stage
Bonnaroo has had hip-hop headliners, so I definitely don't think a hip-hop stage is out of the question. Whether Dave would agree to do it is much iffier, but I think it would be brilliant.
I'm not saying Bonnaroo doesn't get hip hop acts, obviously that would be false. What I am saying is that Bonnaroo doesn't get ALOT of hip hop/r&b acts. The number of acts it would take to fill a stage for a day would be close to the TOTAL number of hip hop acts at Bonnaroo this year. THAT is what makes me doubt that bonnaroo would book a full day of hip hop/r&b
would be close to the TOTAL number of hip hop acts at Bonnaroo this year.
9-10ish... Holy shit, I started this post off completely sardonic, it turns out you're right. We had about 10 hip hop acts at Bonnaroo this year.
Guess it makes sense when the fest views someone like 'Pusha T' as up-and-coming alongside an act like White Denim lol. It'd be nice if we could book some real up-and-coming rappers to celebrate, as well as a few more midlevel acts to flesh out the lineup
would be close to the TOTAL number of hip hop acts at Bonnaroo this year.
9-10ish... Holy shit, I started this post off completely sardonic, it turns out you're right. We had about 10 hip hop acts at Bonnaroo this year.
Guess it makes sense when the fest views someone like 'Pusha T' as up-and-coming alongside an act like White Denim lol. It'd be nice if we could book some real up-and-coming rappers to celebrate, as well as a few more midlevel acts to flesh out the lineup
Yes, I find Bonnaroo's idea of an up and coming rap artist to be quite far off from a true up and comer. I completely agree that Bonnaroo hould bring more hip hop acts to provide a slightly better balance of genres. The thing is that rap shows bring bad vibes, according to many people. And while I know that there are many people who listen to rap that fit in at roo, rap shows do feel kind of out of place on the farm a lot times. I'm not saying I like them, but there is no denying that rap is NOT what roo was built upon. Anyway, while I wish that roo would do a stage and let Dave currate it, it simply won't happen. I will say that they could do a late night Block Party Superjam that starts with Dave doing some stand up and then have him host the SJ
The thing is that rap shows bring bad vibes, according to many people casual racists.
FTFY. I've never been to a rap show at Bonnaroo with bad vibes, and some of the best shows with the highest energy crowds have been rappers -- Chance, A$AP Rocky. More rap acts on the lineup will bring a younger, more diverse crowd. I've seen it firsthand in the few years I've been, from an allwhite crowd in 2009 to the diverse, fun crowd I saw this year. Granted, I felt like there were two distinct crowds of people at this year's Bonnaroo -- that young, diverse crowd of kids in their 20s and the older, whiter crowd that couldn't stop bitching about Kanye. And that's where those bad vibes came from.
Anyway. If someone's definition of 'bad vibes' is 'black people', it's their problem, not mine or anyone else's.
Anyway, a Chappelle block party would be awesome, but please please please don't put it in a tent. Chappelle's the most in-demand comedy act right now (or for the past few years, but then again he hasn't been doing many gigs) and a set from him would draw a massive crowd.
TBH it'd be much easier to just do a Chappelle What set before the headliner, but a block party style setup could be fun if done right. But maybe that's just me picturing an epic 3+ hour mess of a LN Which set that includes a full Chappelle set, a full Kendrick set, and a crazy jam party. A man can dream
The thing is that rap shows bring bad vibes, according to many people casual racists.
FTFY. I've never been to a rap show at Bonnaroo with bad vibes, and some of the best shows with the highest energy crowds have been rappers -- Chance, A$AP Rocky. More rap acts on the lineup will bring a younger, more diverse crowd. I've seen it firsthand in the few years I've been, from an allwhite crowd in 2009 to the diverse, fun crowd I saw this year. Granted, I felt like there were two distinct crowds of people at this year's Bonnaroo -- that young, diverse crowd of kids in their 20s and the older, whiter crowd that couldn't stop bitching about Kanye. And that's where those bad vibes came from.
Anyway. If someone's definition of 'bad vibes' is 'black people', it's their problem, not mine or anyone else's.
Anyway, a Chappelle block party would be awesome, but please please please don't put it in a tent. Chappelle's the most in-demand comedy act right now (or for the past few years, but then again he hasn't been doing many gigs) and a set from him would draw a massive crowd.
TBH it'd be much easier to just do a Chappelle What set before the headliner, but a block party style setup could be fun if done right. But maybe that's just me picturing an epic 3+ hour mess of a LN Which set that includes a full Chappelle set, a full Kendrick set, and a crazy jam party. A man can dream
There was absolutely nothing casually racist about this response, and I applaud you for being so casually non racist.
Post by fake neil young on Jul 23, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
^ OK? I'm just saying that 'hip hop shows draw a bad crowd' is something people who 'love black people' say who'd still rather not interact with black people on a day-to-day basis.
^ OK? I'm just saying that 'hip hop shows draw a bad crowd' is something people who 'love black people' say who'd still rather not interact with black people on a day-to-day basis.
False, I wasn't saying rap fans OR black people have bad vibes, I was saying that as larger percentage of people who listen to rap who don't really fit the vibe of Bonnaroo than, say, jam bands or indie rock or classic rock. I would also say the same thing about the mainstream EDM acts, which obviously isn't "casually racist" against black people. So sir, may I suggest that you not ever hint at "casual racism" in any of my posts in the future because I've been raised in a disgustingly racist area and the true racism that I witness on a regular basis is not something I take lightly.
Also, from your other post, the "out of place" feeling that I mentioned didn't mean that there were "bad vibes", just that the rap shows felt kind of alienated from the event. I still enjoyed the rap shows I went to VERY much. In fact, they were some of my favorite shows I've ever seen at roo.
Besides, I wasn't even saying that Roo shouldn't book more rap. I was really being the devil's advocate, explaining that I see the reason why some people prefer fewer rap shows at Roo, despite the fact that I fully support the idea of bringing more hip-hop to the farm.
Post by fake neil young on Jul 23, 2014 21:26:28 GMT -5
^ Sorry for the confusion, I wasn't talking about you specifically. You said the bad vibes comment is what 'many people' say, which I've seen enough of around Bonnaroo. I'm talking about the people you describe, not you -- unless you identify with them.
As for the big EDM acts, you could say that, but you could also say that the crazy young kids that come in for Skrillex are one of the big things keeping Bonnaroo going strong, and that they bring a fun party scene to a festival that might otherwise be looking up its own mainstream/acoustic folk/indie pop/pick your least fav genre at Roo - butthole.
There's a big difference between 'bad vibes' 'I don't like the vibes' and that 'out of place' feel. None of the rap shows I've been to at Bonnaroo felt out-of-place, but I've been to plenty of Roo rap shows over the years. You can say you don't like the crowd for *any* crowd at Bonnroo. In the wrong light, we're all scum: trendy hipsters, whacked-out EDM heads, hippy wooks, middle-aged yuppies, Tennessee hicks, Canadians, etc.
^ Sorry for the confusion, I wasn't talking about you specifically. You said the bad vibes comment is what 'many people' say, which I've seen enough of around Bonnaroo. I'm talking about the people you describe, not you -- unless you identify with them.
As for the big EDM acts, you could say that, but you could also say that the crazy young kids that come in for Skrillex are one of the big things keeping Bonnaroo going strong, and that they bring a fun party scene to a festival that might otherwise be looking up its own mainstream/acoustic folk/indie pop/pick your least fav genre at Roo - butthole.
There's a big difference between 'bad vibes' 'I don't like the vibes' and that 'out of place' feel. None of the rap shows I've been to at Bonnaroo felt out-of-place, but I've been to plenty of Roo rap shows over the years. You can say you don't like the crowd for *any* crowd at Bonnroo. In the wrong light, we're all scum: trendy hipsters, whacked-out EDM heads, hippy wooks, middle-aged yuppies, Tennessee hicks, Canadians, etc.
Ah yes,splendid, I do enjoy ending the discussion in this fashion much more. I do agree 100% with you on all this and on I do not identify with the people you were describing, I just assumed you were addressing me as one of them. But btw, I was just trying to say that a larger percentage of the rap fans would bring bad vibes than most other genres, right? Or do I stand alone on this? I say this because I feel like people who are REALLY into rap seem to be much more against genres of music than people who primarily listen to other genres of music.
I say this because I feel like people who are REALLY into rap seem to be much more against genres of music than people who primarily listen to other genres of music.
Just curious, what has caused you to feel that way?
I say this because I feel like people who are REALLY into rap seem to be much more against genres of music than people who primarily listen to other genres of music.
Just curious, what has caused you to feel that way?
Just my experiences. To me it seems like very few people that listen to classic rock or techno or dream pop are fans of JUST that one genre, but the people who I know that listen to mainly rap are against most, if not all, other types of music.
Post by downonthefarm on Jul 25, 2014 9:32:16 GMT -5
Semis of the worst vibes I ever get at bonnaroo are from the dark hippies and dirty wooks going through the campsites looking for beers in unattended ice chests. In 2013 we got a cid from an older (and I was 34) dark hippy camped near us as recommended by our neighbors. He had eight or so much younger girls asleep in his campsite when we went to meet him the next day for more. That was a creepy scene. I am not saying he was up to no good, it just gave me a bad vibe.
And there was plenty of negativity when I went in 04 and was stumbling around the outskirts of the farm late at night and ran into some people selling NO2 from a tank. People were filling balloons and taking them down. It seemed like their voices were changing. The people selling looked shady as all hell. We watched that scene for like twenty minutes, it was very weird.
Tis not rap that brings negativity, it's all the people on druqs ripe for being taken advantage of. That brings those negative people looking to take advantage of them.
Semis of the worst vibes I ever get at bonnaroo are from the dark hippies and dirty wooks going through the campsites looking for beers in unattended ice chests. In 2013 we got a cid from an older (and I was 34) dark hippy camped near us as recommended by our neighbors. He had eight or so much younger girls asleep in his campsite when we went to meet him the next day for more. That was a creepy scene. I am not saying he was up to no good, it just gave me a bad vibe.
And there was plenty of negativity when I went in 04 and was stumbling around the outskirts of the farm late at night and ran into some people selling NO2 from a tank. People were filling balloons and taking them down. It seemed like their voices were changing. The people selling looked shady as all hell. We watched that scene for like twenty minutes, it was very weird.
Tis not rap that brings negativity, it's all the people on druqs ripe for being taken advantage of. That brings those negative people looking to take advantage of them.
It's like the Supreme Court justice said about pornography. I can't describe it but I know it when I see it. They are those people I would describe a a hippies but that give off extremely bad vibes. Here I would define hippy in the terms of the late sixties early seventies counterculture.
i lived a great deal of my life as a self described hippy. My understanding of the counter culture I presumed to be living was that it was a ying and yang of negativity and positivity. Light and dark. Free love and druq use are not all positive.
We called them that in 04. I would define them here as the bad, shady wooks. We have all seen them at bonnaroo. They seem to have been attracted to all the negativity but none of the positivity of the counterculture of the late sixties and early seventies.
In 04, bonnaroo still seemed to me a mainly jam band festival, attended by mainly jam band afficianados. The dark hippies were those wooks there that year who seemed to be looking to take advantage of people.
I do not think all wooks are dark hippies.
Edit: In this conversation that has taken on racial issues, I did not mean to imply skin tone with the term dark.
And there was plenty of negativity when I went in 04 and was stumbling around the outskirts of the farm late at night and ran into some people selling NO2 from a tank. People were filling balloons and taking them down. It seemed like their voices were changing. The people selling looked shady as all hell. We watched that scene for like twenty minutes, it was very weird.
Their voices WERE changing, you simply stumbled upon people selling/doing whippits. The thing about whippits is that pretty much everybody involved has to be at least a little sketchy, as is the case with any drug consumption/transaction. There was nothing negative about that situation, it just sketchy, which is what I would expect if I was gonna sit there and watch people sell and inhale drugs. Especially if the people selling were so determined that they brought in an entire tank because that is ALOT of money and it'd be difficult to hide (though idk what security was like in '04) just sayin. I'm sorry if you were joking, but it seems serious and it seemed like you didn't know what whippits are and what exactly it was that you were watching
To be clear, I'm not saying that all of rap has/brings bad vibes, I'm saying that a larger portion of hip hop die hards have bad vibes than other genres of music.
And there was plenty of negativity when I went in 04 and was stumbling around the outskirts of the farm late at night and ran into some people selling NO2 from a tank. People were filling balloons and taking them down. It seemed like their voices were changing. The people selling looked shady as all hell. We watched that scene for like twenty minutes, it was very weird.
Their voices WERE changing, you simply stumbled upon people selling/doing whippits. The thing about whippits is that pretty much everybody involved has to be at least a little sketchy, as is the case with any drug consumption/transaction. There was nothing negative about that situation, it just sketchy, which is what I would expect if I was gonna sit there and watch people sell and inhale drugs. Especially if the people selling were so determined that they brought in an entire tank because that is ALOT of money and it'd be difficult to hide (though idk what security was like in '04) just sayin. I'm sorry if you were joking, but it seems serious and it seemed like you didn't know what whippits are and what exactly it was that you were watching
To be clear, I'm not saying that all of rap has/brings bad vibes, I'm saying that a larger portion of hip hop die hards have bad vibes than other genres of music.
Read it again, he's aware they were selling whippits (N20/nitrous oxide).
And yes, there's a sketch factor with most drug deals. But the nitrous seems to bring some of the sketchiest. People start to crack lust after it, it's not called hippie-crack for nothing!
Their voices WERE changing, you simply stumbled upon people selling/doing whippits. The thing about whippits is that pretty much everybody involved has to be at least a little sketchy, as is the case with any drug consumption/transaction. There was nothing negative about that situation, it just sketchy, which is what I would expect if I was gonna sit there and watch people sell and inhale drugs. Especially if the people selling were so determined that they brought in an entire tank because that is ALOT of money and it'd be difficult to hide (though idk what security was like in '04) just sayin. I'm sorry if you were joking, but it seems serious and it seemed like you didn't know what whippits are and what exactly it was that you were watching
To be clear, I'm not saying that all of rap has/brings bad vibes, I'm saying that a larger portion of hip hop die hards have bad vibes than other genres of music.
Read it again, he's aware they were selling whippits (N20/nitrous oxide).
And yes, there's a sketch factor with most drug deals. But the nitrous seems to bring some of the sketchiest. People start to crack lust after it, it's not called hippie-crack for nothing!
It was the fact that he seemed confused that their voices changed is what made me think he wasn't aware and I agree, hippie crack does bring out the sketchiest of the sketchy people.
Just curious, what has caused you to feel that way?
Just my experiences. To me it seems like very few people that listen to classic rock or techno or dream pop are fans of JUST that one genre, but the people who I know that listen to mainly rap are against most, if not all, other types of music.
Can't tell you how many times I've heard people say "I listen to all types of music, except cRAP!!"
Just my experiences. To me it seems like very few people that listen to classic rock or techno or dream pop are fans of JUST that one genre, but the people who I know that listen to mainly rap are against most, if not all, other types of music.
Can't tell you how many times I've heard people say "I listen to all types of music, except cRAP!!"
You just supported what I said... was that your goal?
You just supported what I said... was that your goal?
Just because you didn't grasp his point doesn't mean he didn't make one.
Just because I didn't acknowledge one letter in his post doesn't mean I didn't grasp his point. I simply addressed the rest of his post because it actually applied to the discussion as opposed to only focusing the shizty, unoriginal joke you're talking about
Just because you didn't grasp his point doesn't mean he didn't make one.
Just because I didn't acknowledge one letter in his post doesn't mean I didn't grasp his point. I simply addressed the rest of his post because it actually applied to the discussion as opposed to only focusing the shizty, unoriginal joke you're talking about
What? What part of my post made you think I was referring to that joke?
