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Post by NothingButFlowers on Nov 20, 2014 15:16:35 GMT -5
Do you think we need to indicate up to what point the spoilers are for, or is it cool to just talk about anything that's come out so far as long as it's in the spoiler tag?
I still think Adnan is involved and probably paid Jay to do it. Adnan can't turn on Jay because that implicates himself and Jay ratted to the cops 1st so he gets the deal. With that said, there's been nothing said about the boyfriend at the time she was dating and that he was never really looked into which I find weird. I think the Innocence Project people break this case open or tell Koenig that they think he did it. I have more trust in them than I do Sarah.
I think that's probably fair, but I assumed that she is doing it for dramatic effect, and anything she was holding back on would come out over the course of the episodes. She definitely wants you to believe that she's uncertain herself at this point, but she still comes across as fundamentally believing in him.
I had considered that, too, that he had paid Jay, but I don't know. I thought maybe Chris's version, where Adnan killed her at the library, might be what happened. It would fit much better with the time line. When Adnan talked about how he didn't think there was any way that he could have done it within the time line the prosecution used, that could have been because he knew that wasn't how he did it at all.
It also kind of fits with how he talked about not understanding how people who knew him could believe that he had been so cold and calculating. It leaves open that he could understand if people thought it happened in a fit of rage, but not that he planned it.
The whole part about him being with Jay in Leakin Park seems like the most damning bit to me. If he didn't do it, why was he there? On the other hand, I thought what the Innocence Project attorney said was probably true, too, though. What are the chances of him being this charming sociopath, and if he's not that, how does he have Koenig pretty much convinced in his favor (even though she says she's not)?
Not like it's not obviously a thing, but it sucks to hear the juror at the end talking about how much his not testifying affected the jury's impressions.
I think the coach said that he would probably remember if Adnan had missed, but that he didn't remember one way or the other, so Adnan was most likely there. He just couldn't say 100% that he absolutely knew he was there.
One of the victim's friends (you can probably figure out who) is actually a friend of mine, so I guess I'm a bit biased, but I think Adnan is absolutely guilty. I'm only through about episode 6 or so, but as an investigator who has spent a lot of time questioning people who are lying to me, Koenig does a lousy job of asking hard questions of Adnan. It's hard to describe exactly what it is about Adnan's story that screams lie to me, but I guess fundamentally I don't believe he doesn't remember his exact whereabouts every minute of the day his first serious girlfriend was murdered. His credibility is fundamental to the whole story, but Koenig just doesn't push him enough. She seems to be focusing much more on poking holes in the prosecution's story than in Adnan's. That's absolutely something a lawyer should do, but not the way to present the facts of the story. It probably didn't go down exactly as the prosecution presented (I think Jay in particular was much more involved, and his squishy testimony is covering up his own involvement), but being wrongly convicted isn't the same as being innocent.
One of the victim's friends (you can probably figure out who) is actually a friend of mine, so I guess I'm a bit biased, but I think Adnan is absolutely guilty. I'm only through about episode 6 or so, but as an investigator who has spent a lot of time questioning people who are lying to me, Koenig does a lousy job of asking hard questions of Adnan. It's hard to describe exactly what it is about Adnan's story that screams lie to me, but I guess fundamentally I don't believe he doesn't remember his exact whereabouts every minute of the day his first serious girlfriend was murdered. His credibility is fundamental to the whole story, but Koenig just doesn't push him enough. She seems to be focusing much more on poking holes in the prosecution's story than in Adnan's. That's absolutely something a lawyer should do, but not the way to present the facts of the story. It probably didn't go down exactly as the prosecution presented (I think Jay in particular was much more involved, and his squishy testimony is covering up his own involvement), but being wrongly convicted isn't the same as being innocent.
I'm with you almost 100%. Adnan just comes across as a liar and someone who has gotten to the point that he believes his own lies. In my own life, I've believed my own lies without 15 years in jail to sit around and work on the story. I remember very vivid details about the day when I found out a friend or relative died. I remember details about my friend dying from a brain aneurism on my birthday when I was in 2nd grade so I'm not putting too much stock in to high schoolers don't remember anything.
Never calling or texting Hae when he finds out she goes missing is very telling to me. That's only something you don't do if you know the person isn't going to answer.
I'm with you on the not calling thing. That did seem seriously suspicious, and his explanation wasn't very satisfying. Even if he was in contact with other people who tried to call, why didn't he try too. Maybe she would have picked up for him when she didn't for someone else.
But as far as remembering things because of the day, I don't know. Memory is weird, and even when we do remember things, it's not exactly reliable. I remember about seven separate moments from the day my dad died. None of them are more than a flash, or a recollection generally that a thing happened (as in, I know I watched the movie Camp Nowhere), and for most of them, I couldn't tell you with 100% certainty that they actually happened the way that I remember them.
While that was the day his ex-girlfriend was murdered, if he really didn't do it, he didn't know that that day, so he would not have been chronicling his movements in his mind. And he knew that afternoon that she was missing, but I imagine most people wouldn't jump directly to brutal murder when an 17/18 year old girl disappears for a few hours. I would think it would take at least a day or two before people outside her immediate family started really getting worried. And if you haven't been reviewing your movements in your head for a few days, you lose them pretty quickly. I mean, I can barely tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago.
I'm not saying, by any means, that I believe he is innocent (although I'm also not saying I think he's guilty at this point either). But I'm not sure his inability to remember that day is as forceful as some of the other things.
Post by NothingButFlowers on Dec 18, 2014 10:36:13 GMT -5
I think she lost momentum over the Thanksgiving break. There was some good information in 10 and 11, but they weren't nearly as edge-of-the-seat as the earlier episodes.
I don't know. It wasn't as strong as I'm sure she hoped it would be when she started, but I think she's banking on one of two things happening: either the motion will be granted and there will be a good bit of fanfare over the whole thing again, or the motion will be quietly denied and the case will fade back into the netherworld of ignored cases.
The serial killer thing is enticing, really, but it leaves an awful lot of questions. Primarily, if it was some random killing, why did Jay lie about everything? My only thought on that is that he saw the investigations going on, he had had Adnan's car and cell phone that day, and he got worried that he was going to get charged, so he decided to go ahead and pin it on Adnan before people started looking at him. Or, on a similar line of thought, maybe when shit started coming together, Jay actually thought Adnan was going to try to frame him for the murder, so he framed Adnan first? But then, how did he know where Hae's car was? I was thinking maybe that he just happened to see it, but I got the impression that Jay and Hae didn't really know each other that well, and unless her car was something unique, would he really just have recognized it in a lot somewhere (it was in the park and ride, lot, right?)? Or maybe he drove around until he found it, but that still has the problem of it standing out in a lot.
The hardest one for me to get past is still why was Adnan's phone in Leakin Park that afternoon? That just seems like too big of a coincidence to ignore.
But I also can still get behind what the innocence project lawyer said about whether it makes more sense that a 17 year old boy who'd never been in trouble or a recently released murderer actually committed a murder.
I don't know. I might have to listen to it again sometime.
I just listened to the first 5 episodes on my drive home for christmas.. I'm enjoying it, but I just cannot wrap my mind around how this can go on for 12 episodes. definitely going to finish it out to see how it ends up, but I really just want to go look up all the spoilers and finish it out - I have no patience.
also. had a really terrible dream due to falling asleep while listening to it last night. basically I was in adnan's shoes. but I definitely did it. and it was really horrific.
From this and some things on the show, it seems like Jay and Adnan were barely friends, so I'm having trouble understanding how it was that he saw Adnan as being super torn up about the breakup, while everybody else said that Adnan seemed like he was taking it in stride.
Anybody else listening to the Undisclosed Podcast? I'm about halfway through Episode 5 (had to turn it off because I got to work). It is definitely more biased than Serial, but there seems to be some good information in there. When they talk about all of the things the police didn't do in their investigation, it's really kind of scary.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Nov 3, 2015 13:10:08 GMT -5
Weird.
There might not be an officially official release date for the second season of Serial yet, but the podcast phenomenon already has an interesting new media partner. Pandora announced today that it would be a streaming partner for the podcast’s second season, saying that new episodes will be made available on the site each Thursday at 6 a.m. whenever the next season starts. Episodes will air on Pandora in five-minute chunks, though listeners who wish to avoid Pandora’s commercial interruptions can do so—for a fee.
As Ira Glass noted in a statement, “for people already listening to Serial and This American Life, nothing will change. But we believe lots of people who’d like our shows simply haven’t heard them, or haven’t started listening to podcasts.” Glass goes on to cite a study that says only 17 percent of Americans—46 million people, roughly—listen to podcasts, while Pandora’s subscriber base is about 80 million people.
Five minute chunks? With commercials every five minutes or else pay? Lame.
Though I assume Glass's statement means the podcasts will still be available as they were on iTunes and NPR.
Interested to see if season 2 lives up to season 1. Anyone follow the latest updates with the Adnan case? I haven't checked it out in a while.
Anyone follow the latest updates with the Adnan case? I haven't checked it out in a while.
I'm still listening to Undisclosed, and they have talked a little about the ongoing process as things happen. I think that currently, they are waiting on the district court to resolve a motion to have a hearing on his request for post-conviction relief. His arguments are based on Asia McClain again (because she came forward again and said that one of the prosecutors dissuaded her from testifying the last time) and on a cover sheet that was apparently included in the cell phone records that said that the records are not reliable as to inbound calls.
The first six or seven episodes of Undisclosed were really, really interesting, but then they kind of ran out of new stuff to talk about. Some of the more recent episodes are interesting, but not as much in relation to the case as just for general purposes.
There might not be an officially official release date for the second season of Serial yet, but the podcast phenomenon already has an interesting new media partner. Pandora announced today that it would be a streaming partner for the podcast’s second season, saying that new episodes will be made available on the site each Thursday at 6 a.m. whenever the next season starts. Episodes will air on Pandora in five-minute chunks, though listeners who wish to avoid Pandora’s commercial interruptions can do so—for a fee.
As Ira Glass noted in a statement, “for people already listening to Serial and This American Life, nothing will change. But we believe lots of people who’d like our shows simply haven’t heard them, or haven’t started listening to podcasts.” Glass goes on to cite a study that says only 17 percent of Americans—46 million people, roughly—listen to podcasts, while Pandora’s subscriber base is about 80 million people.
Five minute chunks? With commercials every five minutes or else pay? Lame.
Though I assume Glass's statement means the podcasts will still be available as they were on iTunes and NPR.
Interested to see if season 2 lives up to season 1. Anyone follow the latest updates with the Adnan case? I haven't checked it out in a while.
As long as it will still work in a podcast app then I think this is a good thing. Any and all exposure for good reporting is always good. I can't imagine listening to this thing with a break every five minutes though. That sounds like a nightmare.
Post by Whereispassionpit on Jan 22, 2016 19:43:34 GMT -5
Listened to all of season 1 and the current episodes of season 2 in about 3 days. Really good stuff, though I significantly enjoyed what I've heard of season 2 more. The last few episodes of season 1 really dragged on.
Any updates on how season 2 is going so far? I had planned on waiting until every episode had been released, but I haven't heard any chatter so far on if season 2 was any good.
Listened to all of season 1 and the current episodes of season 2 in about 3 days. Really good stuff, though I significantly enjoyed what I've heard of season 2 more. The last few episodes of season 1 really dragged on.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Feb 3, 2016 11:05:14 GMT -5
Agreed season 2 is good so far. In addition to the whole "what was he really thinking, what was he really doing, what were his real motivations?" aspect we had with Adnan in season 1, we also get to consider a whole range of other themes: loyalty, disobedience, international politics, torture, punishment, justice, etc.
It's just good radio, as so many NPR programs are.
Agreed season 2 is good so far. In addition to the whole "what was he really thinking, what was he really doing, what were his real motivations?" aspect we had with Adnan in season 1, we also get to consider a whole range of other themes: loyalty, disobedience, international politics, torture, punishment, justice, etc.
It's just good radio, as so many NPR programs are.
Absolutely. I love that a big part of the season is the ethical quandary surrounding whistle blowing. I think it adds a whole other interesting layer on top of the, "What the hell happened here" aspect.
Agreed season 2 is good so far. In addition to the whole "what was he really thinking, what was he really doing, what were his real motivations?" aspect we had with Adnan in season 1, we also get to consider a whole range of other themes: loyalty, disobedience, international politics, torture, punishment, justice, etc.
It's just good radio, as so many NPR programs are.
Absolutely. I love that a big part of the season is the ethical quandary surrounding whistle blowing. I think it adds a whole other interesting layer on top of the, "What the hell happened here" aspect.
Im still not convened of Bo's story for why he left his station.Can't tell if he really left to call attention to issues he had with the war and all, or if he made that story up along the way.
