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Did we know/see that Hanks partner Gomez was also killed? Was it mentioned or implied when the Nazis grabbed Hank? Or was that a reveal? I couldn't recall that info.
Yeah, it happened on screen. He was killed in the shootout before they killed Hank.
Thanks. I started a rewatch of BB at some point during the pandemic but didn't finish the last few episodes so couldn't remember yet. Felt like a shock to me which worked out anyway.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 16, 2022 0:49:09 GMT -5
I recommend reading the full review (and separate interview) from Sepinwall at Rolling Stone but these tidbits about the finale are very interesting. Especially all the callbacks.
* I spoke with Peter Gould about why he decided to end the series this way, the differences between “Felina” and “Saul Gone,” what he would do if he had a time machine, and a lot more.
* “Fun and Games” really was the end of cartel world as we knew it. Though Jonathan Banks returned for a couple of cameos, Mike’s character arc on this series came to a conclusion with Mr. Varga scolding him about revenge versus justice, while Gus did not appear again after abruptly leaving his unofficial date with David the sommelier. No matter how exciting the cartel stories could be, this was ultimately Jimmy and Kim’s show, and the final season was structured to reflect that.
* Throughout the episode, Odenkirk does a spectacular job maneuvering through his character’s three main personae, particularly when Jimmy decides during the hearing to seize control of the wheel and throw Saul out into traffic. There’s also that terrific scene in the Omaha jail where Gene spots the “My lawyer will ream yr ass” message carved into the cinderblock wall, and can’t stop himself from laughing, Joker-style, as he fully reverts to Saul Goodman, the sort of lawyer who also reamed asses on behalf of his clients.
* Upon returning to Albuquerque, Saul ditches the glasses and shaves the mustache, more or less going back to his trademark look. (He abandons the combover, though, conceding to the inescapability of male-pattern baldness.) Kim, though, sticks with the dark hair and bangs, even while visiting Jimmy in prison. (Though her clothes look less dowdy than her Florida attire.) Wherever life and work takes her from this point, she has let go of the immaculately coiffed version of herself who got Howard Hamlin killed, whereas Saul dresses up for one last command performance before Jimmy takes over for good.
* The yarn that Saul spins to the incredulous federal prosecutors includes the idea that he remains afraid not only of Jesse, but of others who are still out there. We know that Walt and/or the Nazis killed nearly everybody else involved in the operation before dying themselves from the trunk gun’s bullets, but Saul is a dexterous enough bullshit artist that he’s able to, with a straight face, suggest threats exist to him beyond little Jesse Pinkman.
* Sometimes, when spinoffs bring back characters from the parent series, it’s to remind you of why you liked them in the first place. Both of Walt’s appearances here have instead played up his most insufferable qualities, giving you the worst version of Walter White — or at least the worst version who is not actively bringing physical harm to others. It’s an interesting choice, and perhaps speaks to Gould and Gilligan’s ongoing regret about how much Breaking Bad viewers tended to take Walt’s side on everything.
* In recent years, Emmy eligibility rules for the guest acting categories changed to exclude performers who appear in 50 percent or more of a show’s eligible episodes. Carol Burnett is in four out of these final six Saul installments, which will be eligible for next year’s Emmys, so she won’t be eligible for what otherwise would have been a sure victory for Guest Actress in a Drama. But my goodness, her delivery of, “Oh, please, get him,” as Marion watches Gene drive away is a thing of beauty.
* Finally, Gould included callbacks galore in this farewell to the Heisenberg-verse. On the Better Call Saul end of things, we get to see the space blanket and other detritus from “Bagman,” with the blanket doubling as another reminder of Chuck. Jimmy’s suggestion to Mike that they just split the $7 million recalls their discussion from the end of Season One about why they didn’t just hang onto the embezzled cash they took off the Kettlemans. (Their time travel conversation also has an implicit callback to Mike’s “bad choice road” philosophy, as the thing he’d most like to undo is the day he took his first bribe as a cop.) While hiding in the dumpster, Gene prepares to call Ed the disappearer, but gets busted by the Omaha PD before he can get one of his burner phones out of its cruel packaging. When he tells the judge about Chuck, the camera focuses on the courtroom’s exit sign, much like the one that was such a memorable visual during Chuck and Jimmy’s bar hearing duel in “Chicanery.” In Montrose, Jimmy gets to put his Cinnabon skills to use by baking bread in the prison kitchen, and he shows off the finger guns one more time as he and Kim are separated by two different fences. And from the Breaking Bad end, we not only get to see Marie again, but finally see Steve Gomez’s widow Blanca, whom he mentioned a few times in passing on both series. In court, Saul wears a ribbon on his suit that is almost certainly the blue memorial ribbon he began sporting in the wake of the plane crash Walt inadvertently caused at the end of Breaking Bad Season Two. And before labeling the Gray Matter situation as his greatest regret, Walt first looks at the expensive TAG Heuer Monaco Chronograph watch Jesse gave him for his 51st birthday, perhaps silently understanding that what he did to Jesse (including his very recent decision to leave him to be killed by the Nazis) is far worse than whatever version of the Gretchen and Elliott story he is telling himself at the moment.
I picked up on most of the easter eggs but did NOT catch the shot of Walt looking at the watch Jesse gave him. Ouch.
You know, I lovee that Kim sought to pick up to do something with legal help after everything. She got so worn down with Mesa Verde that she wanted to help people who really need it most. She almost set up this centre where people could get legal help for free, until she decided that The Plan was more important than that which ultimately got Howard killed. I love that now, she's continuining that in Florida. I guess not as a lawyer, but y'know..
Just finished tonight because I was tardy to the party. Years ago, a cousin claimed it was better than breaking bad and while I disagree with that assessment, I thought it was very good tele and did a phenomenal job of weaving in familiar characters.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 17, 2022 22:43:58 GMT -5
I read a little thing that basically said that "at the end, Jimmy got to revert to his best self...at least as far as we knew him."
SPOILERS BELOW AT THIS POINT | | | | | | | | | | | You've been warned
So like....he came clean. He got the final thing of "Kim not hating me" that he needed. And in a weird way...when he said early on in the episode that he'd "end up on top, just like I always do" he kind of did. Yeah, he's in prison but if what we saw in the last few minutes are to be a sign then he is clearly seen as a legend/hero/king of the people who are also locked up. The bus ride with the chanting and the kitchen work with people covering for him and fist bumping him and all that.
While it's not a good life....it's also a true life. He and Kim sharing a cigarette and him getting the satisfaction of finally just coming clean and reverting to Jimmy McGill was such a perfect ending.
Yeah, it makes sense that criminals would love him. He probably helped a lot of them escape previous time in jail or get reduced sentences. And he lived his Life surrounded by shady people, so I think his remaining life in prison, while not perfect, won’t be as bad for him as it would be for all of us.
I’m sure we’re all familiar with Reddit, but I really enjoyed reading a lot of the comments on the Post Finale Discussion Thread on /rBCS. Some great observations.
Yeah, it makes sense that criminals would love him. He probably helped a lot of them escape previous time in jail or get reduced sentences. And he lived his Life surrounded by shady people, so I think his remaining life in prison, while not perfect, won’t be as bad for him as it would be for all of us.
I'm much more impressed at Bob's acting as he has this half smile, that's not him wanting to be a kingpin, but in some small way... that is worth it in a different way.
Yeah, it makes sense that criminals would love him. He probably helped a lot of them escape previous time in jail or get reduced sentences. And he lived his Life surrounded by shady people, so I think his remaining life in prison, while not perfect, won’t be as bad for him as it would be for all of us.
I'm much more impressed at Bob's acting as he has this half smile, that's not him wanting to be a kingpin, but in some small way... that is worth it in a different way.
His acting really stepped up between seasons 1 and 2 of BCS. I am curious if he dove into being coached. It happens a lot when comedic / supporting actors finally get a starring role.
i really thought either (a) saul would go down fighting and bitter and not remorseful and end up in jail for the rest of his life or (b) would end up being killed somehow, either in jail or out of jail. after watching the finale i realized both of those would be bad endings and not consistent with the tone of the show, which is why I'm not a TV writer.
i like that he got to reconcile with Kim, not just for his sake but for Kim's sake too. she was able to clear her conscious but also repair her relationship with someone she at one point loved. i think we all know what it is like to have a resentment hanging over your head, and to have that relieved is a blessing. it's left up in the air whether kim will be sued in civil court by howard's wife. but she found that legal aid volunteer place and will now doubt do a tremendous amount of good for people working there. i would love to see that spinoff! just a case-of-the-week legal drama with Kim in Florida.
but also the way Saul/Jimmy pulled off the reconciliation with Kim was 100% in character. he wasted federal officials time, he wasted the court's time, hell he even wasted Kim's time and mental energy since she had to come to New Mexico for his hearing. it was a very Jimmy manipulation lol, but in this case he used his evil powers for something good.
in the end, his punishment seems fitting. he's in jail for life, but as others have already noted he's probably not in any danger of being murdered or harassed in prison since he has a reputation and respect. he was a bad person who did bad things, but i don't think he deserved to die or be tortured for those things. But he doesn't deserve to be in regular society, and his actions in Omaha proved that he is unable to be a law abiding citizen. He would've continued to hurt more people if he wasn't put away.
bravo and thank you to the entire BCS/BB team and the Albuquerque-verse for 14 years of the highest quality in television entertainment.