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I have no problem with consenting to a search if I have nothing to hide...thats just me...I'm just one guy...
well thats good. i dont want to argue with you or anything. to each their own. but what right does a stranger have to go through your stuff if you havent done anything wrong? and they are not gentle. all of your stuff ends up on the hood of the car or the side of the road in one big pile. they pull your car apart. and then they just say ok have a nice day and leave you to clean it up. being a cop dosent give someone the right to waste 45 minutes of your life and mess up all your stuff.
can i go through your stuff? i like to take little glimpses into peoples private lives. come on man... you got nothing to hide!!
to each thier own. but a cop is nothing more then a low payed entry level employee. someone you probably work harder then and went through more schooling then. but because they have a gun and a badge its ok for a complete stranger, who has no legitimate reason to search you, to toss you car? just becasue you have done nothing wrong and they asked? again im not trying to be argumentative. just curious as to your thought process on letting strangers go through your stuff for no reason.
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Post by sinkfloridasink on Mar 30, 2007 20:47:03 GMT -5
Even if I have nothing on me, I still exercise my rights because, if I never use them, what's the point of having them? I wasn't given rights with fine print that said "only use if you are doing something illegal"...
well, you ask me why i'm drunk all the time it levels my head and eases my mind i just walk along and stroll and sing i see better days and i do better things
I have no problem with consenting to a search if I have nothing to hide...thats just me...I'm just one guy...
NEVER consent to search! even if you have NOTHING to hide! the constitution was not drawn up for nothing, and we should all exercise our rights as often as needed. if you have nothing to hide, then there shouldn't be any reason for an officer to ask to search your vehicle in the first place. just because you're headed to a festival DOES NOT give police the right to search your vehicle. please don't let officers of the law take advantage of you.
There was a lot of this talk last year about how you dont gotta let them search. All im gonna say is, its easy to talk that way until it has happened to you, If a cop wants to search your car he is gonna search it, lets not forget cops are LIARS, they are not gonna go walkin back to their car with their "tail between their legs", the last thing you wanna do is get smart with a cop(especially if you are from outta state), and start reciting law and you rights. Cops like authority and telling people what to do, my lawyer once told me basically once they have found something illegal, the judge could care less about the legalities of the search, checked on this after I got busted with 10 dollars of bud last year at the gates,(ticket cost $1400)now if they searched and you didnt give consent and didnt find NOTHING then you have got something. WHich brings me to my next point, Profiling, cops do a lot of profiling, 80 percent of people going to Bonnaroo smoke pot, cops know this, this is how they got me, the people they pulled and searched behind me were dreaded hippies, there are a lot of clean cut sometimes sober people that go to Roo, these were not the people they were pulling out of line, they were pulling obvious long haired pothead hippies. There was no questions asked we pulled up and the DTF(Drug Task Force) said step out of the truck we are gonna have a look around, then there were three big hick cops and two girls who searched my truck. they were obviously not gonna stop searching until they found something and after 10 minutesthey found that little bit of schwag i had and they were pissed. Just my two cents BEWARE -HIDE YOUR SH!T REAL GOOD-COPS ARE DICKS Sorry for the rant
Dude, I was brought up to respect teachers, firemen, mall security guards, and police officers to name a few. Until they give me a reason to not to, I will. If a policemen asks to search my car, I will let him. I have found that MOST, but not all, people that get upset about this are upset because they are breaking the law and obviously don't want to get caught. All these people that are calling the cops liars and generally berating them I just have one thought. What happens if those cops aren't there to watch your chilrens's school? If they are not there to bust drug dealers that want nothing more than to sell your child drugs? When your house is broken into by some maniac? When the next Ted Bundy is on the loose? Just a thought. You should thank your local police officer next time you see them. They are not always right, not all of them are honest or model citizens, but we need law enfrorcement to keep us safer....bot completely safe.
Man,There are a few good cops out there, there are cops that try to mess with you and there are just plain assholee cops. And they will lie in court, I saw this first hand in court, the last time Phish played the Hampton coliseum they had all the kids who got busted in court the next day, I was there for my DUI hearing, and one case imparticular they had a 3 kids that were apparently in the same car that got searched and they got minor possession and they were pulling the "we didnt give him consent" thing all three of them and the cops story was classic he said: "I saw the passenger hide something in his pocket, MJ was emmitting heavily from the car, they had red eyes"these kids had no chance the judge gave them some smart ass comment, are you a lawyer he said and gave em a big fine.
My main point just be careful it cost me $1400 dollars last year.
where are these drug dealers that are targeting our kids?? i wasnt targeted in school. its just part of the propaganda war. and some people buy it. if your being a parent then you would know what your kid is up to. and you would know how much money they have to spend and what they are spending it on. and where are these cops that are watching our schools and kids? were they searching a car for pot when columbine got shot up? sh.it, they wouldnt even go into the school to serve and protect our children once they got there and shooting was going on. 3 kids went on a rampage and 50 cops stood outside and went in a couple hours aftet the gunmen shot themselves. and just today the cops let some maniac get out of their custody. he kicked in a door and barged into a house. did the 50 cops on scene follow that armed man in and serve the public that they had put in danger by letting him escape? no they all stood outside and some poor woman had to roll off a second story roof to get to safety. and once she did they they help her get away? no she had to crawl and drag herself to safety. it was on cnn all day. if you missed it they are still showing it. gimme a break. they are worthless. give us back our second ammendment rights and we can protect our own. the way it is now we gotta worry about criminals and cops, which are the same thing. excpept one of them is allowed to violate your rights. our rights were given for a reason. why not use them? they didnt give them to us just to piss off all powerful cops.
Post by chicagorooer on Apr 2, 2007 23:21:36 GMT -5
^^^well I do aggree cops will stop little crime and are mainly there to clean up afterwards and then apply justice. Not many times do they actually stop crime. DUDE u can go and point out bad things cops do hell we can point out all the bad shit u do.....it' does mean cops are all bad or stupid...cops teach kids about car safety, help many children who have crappy parents find a better life. Cops see kids that are sick in the hospital. Cops help apply justice after a kid is raped. Do u help apply justice? No b/c u don't have the balls to become a cop. Cops find themselves in sutiations everyday u only bitch about while watching T.V. ..it's easy to judge sitting at home sipping a beer. I aggree DUDE protect yourself b/c nobody else will. How about the millions that can't? cops help. If cops weren't out on the streets laying there ass on the line everynight trust we would have no time to dick around w/ the 'roo we would be standing in the window shooting assholes that came on our property. So before u call ALL cops stupid power hungry people take a look at your own life and realize it would be vastly different if these people didn't do what they do. You don't have to like everything but u still should respect them for what they do. If u don't as "jack" said in a few good men grab a gun and get your ass on the wall.
If u don't think scumbag dealers don't target kids u are wrong...maybe you never seen it but I have right here downtown chicago. 12 year olds all strung out ......that aint propaganda
Post by chicagorooer on Apr 3, 2007 0:02:10 GMT -5
so u hate ALL cops, mock the bible, don't support our troops and country. U talk a real big game about how bad it is here but yet u live in the U.S. and enjoy all it has to offer. Tell me of one place where u can enjoy this same standard of living u have now and not have to follow laws that u may disaggree with
The BIBLE only helps those who help themselves........U LOSE
canada, and id have health care too. i love america and i support our troops. they should be brought home tommorow. if you dont want that your not supporting troops. yer sending them to be killed and mamed for no good reason. but this is off topic. you have a way of doing that. just dont talk to me. i dont want to be harsh. but i dont like you. i dont want to talk to you. about anything. ever. if you want to post your opinions in a thread feel free to make an ass of yourself. but leave me out of it. if you post your opinions all will see they arent the same as mine. i dont get your obsession with making ignorant dillusional posts about me and my opinion when ever i post. youve been doing it for months. get a friggin life and educate yourself man. your a joke.
Dude, I was brought up to respect teachers, firemen, mall security guards, and police officers to name a few. Until they give me a reason to not to, I will. If a policemen asks to search my car, I will let him. I have found that MOST, but not all, people that get upset about this are upset because they are breaking the law and obviously don't want to get caught. All these people that are calling the cops liars and generally berating them I just have one thought. What happens if those cops aren't there to watch your chilrens's school? If they are not there to bust drug dealers that want nothing more than to sell your child drugs? When your house is broken into by some maniac? When the next Ted Bundy is on the loose? Just a thought. You should thank your local police officer next time you see them. They are not always right, not all of them are honest or model citizens, but we need law enfrorcement to keep us safer....bot completely safe.
i have been in several situations with officers of the law. i have been asked several times to consent to search. sometimes i've had some contraband, other times, i have not. the point is, even when i have nothing in my car, i do not like to have my personal space searched. the constitution protects you from that situation. unless i have a pipe hanging out of my mouth, roach in my ashtray and the like- a cop is not going to search my things. so, unless you have anything in a cop's sight or billowing smoke flying out of your window, there is no reason or need to let an officer search your car. if you know that nothing is in plain sight, tell the officer that you do not consent to search, it may be the best choice you will ever make. after all, an officer's job is NOT to be your friend, but to find people who break the law, arrest, and help prosecute them.
exercising your constitutional rights is absolutely in no way disrespecting law enforcement.
acidjazz said: "unless i have a pipe hanging out of my mouth, roach in my ashtray and the like- a cop is not going to search my things. so, unless you have anything in a cop's sight or billowing smoke flying out of your window, there is no reason or need to let an officer search your car. if you know that nothing is in plain sight, tell the officer that you do not consent to search, it may be the best choice you will ever make. after all, an officer's job is NOT to be your friend, but to find people who break the law, arrest, and help prosecute them."
So if you actually have something and they ask if you have anything in the car before they decide to ask for a search, and you say NO... this makes you a liar. Just not the way I was raised. If you are willing to take the risk you need to be willing to accept the punishment if caught. Just becuase a pipe is not "hanging" out of your mouth does not make you any less guilty if you have contra-band in the car!!! This MAY be the reason they are jerks about searches! Cause they know someone who has nuts is going to lie about it! So much for integrity huh?
So if you actually have something and they ask if you have anything in the car before they decide to ask for a search, and you say NO... this makes you a liar. Just not the way I was raised. If you are willing to take the risk you need to be willing to accept the punishment if caught. Just becuase a pipe is not "hanging" out of your mouth does not make you any less guilty if you have contra-band in the car!!! This MAY be the reason they are jerks about searches! Cause they know someone who has nuts is going to lie about it! So much for integrity huh?
You've never lied in your life, to anyone? Wow, that's a level of integrity I've never witnessed. More power to you.
You react as if this is personal. Are you a PO or have one in the family? Why do you care what other people think of law enforcement?
No, I am not a PO nor is anyone in my family. And yes, of course, I have told a lie in my life. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have never lied to a cop though. I just hate to see folks dissing on people that, for the most part, are risking their lives to help us and your families. It's like anything else in this country, only rhe bad things make it to the news. All the millions of good things police do for their community don't make it to the papers or CNN, FOX, or MSNBC.
I have strong feelings about this mostly because my parents were both public school teachers and I think they fall into the same BS police do. All you see in the news is the idiot teachers having sex with students and such and seldom ever hear of the good ones that change lives. They brought me up to respect authority figures and to obey the laws we have. Having said that, I have not follwed EVERY law in my life, but at least I am man enough to take the penalty when I don't. Instead of whining and crying how all police are liars and this law isn't fair.
Post by sharingintheroo on Apr 3, 2007 9:53:58 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
where are these drug dealers that are targeting our kids?? i wasnt targeted in school. its just part of the propaganda war. and some people buy it. if your being a parent then you would know what your kid is up to. and you would know how much money they have to spend and what they are spending it on. and where are these cops that are watching our schools and kids? were they searching a car for pot when columbine got shot up? sh.it, they wouldnt even go into the school to serve and protect our children once they got there and shooting was going on. 3 kids went on a rampage and 50 cops stood outside and went in a couple hours aftet the gunmen shot themselves. and just today the cops let some maniac get out of their custody. he kicked in a door and barged into a house. did the 50 cops on scene follow that armed man in and serve the public that they had put in danger by letting him escape? no they all stood outside and some poor woman had to roll off a second story roof to get to safety. and once she did they they help her get away? no she had to crawl and drag herself to safety. it was on cnn all day. if you missed it they are still showing it. gimme a break. they are worthless. give us back our second ammendment rights and we can protect our own. the way it is now we gotta worry about criminals and cops, which are the same thing. excpept one of them is allowed to violate your rights. our rights were given for a reason. why not use them? they didnt give them to us just to piss off all powerful cops.
Are you insane? You seriously believe that police don't do any good at all? And in the same breath you try and claim that drug dealers don't target children? And if your children are doing anything wrong your not a good parent? You live in a fantasy world.
To trash the name of all police officers is like saying all soldiers are evil murderers, which I am sure you are only a step or two away from. I have spent far more than my fair share of time locked up and there are for sure @sshole rule breaking police. Just like there are @sshole rule breaking employees at every job.
You sound like someone that has had very minimal experience with law enforcement. Everything you say and every example you give is straight out of the Classic Police Stereotype Handbook. One day you will need the help of a police officer. And you will be eating your words.
P.S.- If you're so much more educated than all police officers then learn the difference between Then and Than.
No, I am not a PO nor is anyone in my family. And yes, of course, I have told a lie in my life. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have never lied to a cop though. I just hate to see folks dissing on people that, for the most part, are risking their lives to help us and your families. It's like anything else in this country, only rhe bad things make it to the news. All the millions of good things police do for their community don't make it to the papers or CNN, FOX, or MSNBC.
I have strong feelings about this mostly because my parents were both public school teachers and I think they fall into the same BS police do. All you see in the news is the idiot teachers having sex with students and such and seldom ever hear of the good ones that change lives. They brought me up to respect authority figures and to obey the laws we have. Having said that, I have not follwed EVERY law in my life, but at least I am man enough to take the penalty when I don't. Instead of whining and crying how all police are liars and this law isn't fair.
Yeah, the world needs police. It's nice to have somebody to call when you find a dead body on the street. The law being fair isn't the material issue here. The issue is whether or not you should piss away all your rights when you're dealing with the police. And whether or not you're doing something wrong, you should never piss away your rights. They are all you have. I fail to see how excercising my rights is disrespecting police officers at all. I say trying to make me waive my rights is disrespecting me, NAY! IT'S DISRESPECTING AMERICA!!!! ::cue up God Bless America:: Giving up your rights is just plain Communist.
I love my country (I hate our current administration, but I digress), this country rocks!! You want to know what the neatest thing about this country is? Everyone has rights!! (not everyone has truly equal rights, but we're working on it damnit) Even criminals have rights!!! Ain't that beautiful? Well, I think it's beautiful. If you don't, may I suggest what my Republican "friends" often suggest when I don't agree with an aspect of American policy, "move to China". Their criminals don't have rights.
If you are doing something wrong, let the cop break the law to search your car. At least you'll have a very good chance of getting off of it. If you just consent, you'll have to plead guilty. You do not have to make a cop's job easier, and making a cop's job easier isn't going to make your life any easier. It's absurd to think that cops are you going to do you any favors at all. If they're feeling really nice, they might let you catch a cigarette before hauling you in.
Let me understand what you're saying here: You're saying that if I have something hidden in the car, I should give up my rights and incriminate myself? Doing this will give me "integrity"? If you had something in the car, and you waived your rights and you spend a couple of nights in jail (and you will. I don't know where people get this idea that if you consent to the search the cops aren't going to do anything to you) is that integrity going to post bail for you?
You don't have to lie to the cops. There's only two options when dealing with the cops: Tell the truth or shut up. Telling the truth is usually a terrible idea as if you're doing anything wrong you'll incriminatate yourself, so you keep your mouth shut. Not talking is not the same as lying. The cop is not a judge, you don't have to tell him anything. Don't consent to searches. Period. You can sit here and act like there some major consipiaracy between cops, judges, and prosecutors to put small time possession kids in the system, but really there's not. No judge is going to give a cop a warrant to tear your car apart if all he has to go by is "they won't consent to search". If the cop searches your car illegally, no prosector is going to go forward with it. Any schmuck just getting out of law school would be able to get you off the charge. The ghost of Johnny effin' Cochran couldn't do a thing for you, however, if you consented. The cops know all this mess. You should too.
knoxville said:
All you see in the news is the idiot teachers having sex with students and such and seldom ever hear of the good ones that change lives.
Actually, I hear about them all time. In the local news. Good cops too. In the local news. No, you don't hear about much on CNN and the like. Not quite as attention grabbing as police brutatlity and pedophiles, but what else would expect from the national news?
Bottom line: Giving up your rights to police officers = flag burning
That's right, I said it. You people that consent to searches are crazy, dope-smoking, flag-burning hippies that hate America.
No, I am not a PO nor is anyone in my family. And yes, of course, I have told a lie in my life. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have never lied to a cop though.
I apologize if I was putting words in your mouth. I must have misread what you said earlier. That's what I get for posting before coffee. Sorry.
I'm willing to take my licks if/when I'm convicted, not caught. Big difference in my mind. Consenting to a search is a rocket ship towards that conviction I never want to see, IMO.
There's only two options when dealing with the cops: Tell the truth or shut up.
truer words were never spoken. i have had numerous run-ins with the law in my lifetime (unfortunately) and the only reason cops even ask you questions is because there's no better evidence to use against you than your own words. say as little as possible, while being as courteous and respectful as you can...it's not like you're going to utter some magical phrase that will cause the cop to drop everything and let you go. i've actually had a cop threaten to hit me (pulled back his fist and everything) because i wasn't answering his questions, and in the end i was let go because i kept my mouth shut and didn't say something stupid.
bottom line: your mouth won't save you from anything, so don't use it unless you have to.
Maybe I'll throw myself to the dogs, but my back's not to the wall Maybe I'll lay some bricks for the man, but the days just aren't that long So if I settle back and chill will I see far enough to feel the angel's dream? I thought it was the Story of the World!
Cops are just like all other people, some are really good people, some are really $hitty people, the fact that they are a cop does not put them on a higher or lower moral level than anyone else. The point of this thread is to be aware if your rights, which are guaranteed by the constitution. If you are doing something illegal, be aware of the consequences, and don't do anything else illegal to draw attention to yourself.
Well, some voice of reason! It is important to know your rights, as the thread suggests. I think where some went wrong is why it is important to know your rights. It is important to know your right so they are not violated. It is the wrong assumption to think you ned to know your rights so you can get away with breaking the law.
\It is the wrong assumption to think you ned to know your rights so you can get away with breaking the law.
You should, of course, never break the law. And you should, of course, be prepared to deal with any consequences that arise from you breaking the law. However, if you are carrying things you shouldn't, yes, knowing your rights could very well save your a$$ and keep you from getting busted. People DO break the law, these people DO have rights, and these people DO have a right to do everything in their power to minimize the damage caused by these encounters. Police are going to do everything they can to catch you, sometimes what they do isn't by-the-book legal or is in direct violation of your rights. Is it okay for the cops to break the law if it catchs another law-breaker? If so, where is the line drawn?
If you're doing everything in your power to protect yourself and in doing so you're not breaking any additional laws, simply asserting your government protected rights, what's wrong with that, even if the cop was right and you are breaking the law? The cop is trying to get evidence to convict you, you should do everything in your power not to incriminate yourself. There's is absolutley nothing wrong with this if you ARE breaking the law. You're asserting your rights, and may very well get away with whatever you were doing so long as there is no other evidence. And if the officer wants to search your car, obviously there isn't.
It's true not all cops are corrupt liars. It's also true not all cops are heros. You have no way of knowing. Cops are trained to treat anyone they encounter they do not know about an armed and dangerous felon until they find out otherwise. It's a very good policy, as for all they know they are. You should assume the cop is not going to respect your rights and is going to be a harda$$, because you have no way of knowing whether they will or not. Assert your rights and keep quiet, no matter if you're breaking the law or not.
MY Rights, MY choice. Who are you to tell me what I need to do with MY RIGHTS. It is MY decision, not yours. If I elect to waive MY right, it is MY decision. Those of you who are against waiving your rights for any reason and bashing those that do; are no better than those who you claim are opressing your rights. MY rights, MY decision. If I conset to a search, I am wiving MY right not yours, you can take your right and do whatever you want to with it, I can think of some ideas, but I will keep them to MYself. You are not going to tell me what to do with MY rights, which seems to be prevelant in this thread, on both sides. We have one side saying never waive your right and the other saying I will, I have nothing to hide. Both are right, the problem is that both sides are trying to tell me what to do with MY rights. I can F**ing assert MY rights if I want to, or I can waive them. Hey. If any of you are trying to tell me what to do with MY rights, I will tell you what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shit you are. Hallelujah. Holy sh!t. Where's the Tylenol?
"Chicago is known as the Windy City, and Montana is called the Big Sky State, so I think that we should somehow combine the two to create the ultimate kite-flying experience. "-Mitch Hedberg
It would be your choice to hurl yourself off a cliff. Your life, your choice. That wouldn't stop me and probably many others from trying to talk you out of it, though. Others may chime in and tell you the world sucks, go ahead and do it, it's your choice. I myself would hate to see someone kill themselves.
It would be your choice to start smoking crack. Again, your life, your choice. But if you started a thread on here titled "Crack: Should I Give It A Whirl?", myself and probably many others would write long tirades on why you shouldn't. I myself would hate to hear about someone ruining their life smoking crack.
Similarly, I'd hate to hear about how someone got pulled over on their way to Roo and went to jail because someone let them root through their stuff and found their pipe. Or even let them in the trunk and find a case a beer with a few people in the car who aren't quite 21. Or whatever the case may be.
Post by oleander124 on Apr 3, 2007 13:52:58 GMT -5
volsfan said:
Hey. If any of you are trying to tell me what to do with MY rights, I will tell you what a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey nuts you are. Hallelujah. Holy sh!t. Where's the Tylenol?
Now what were we talking about.......
Thanks, Clark W. Griswald. ;D
Well, this thread certainly pushes a few buttons. The only thing I have to say is that if you have illegal materials in your car, don't be a dumba$$ and have them out in plain view for ANYONE to see. Don't drink and drive, smoke and drive, drop and drive, whathaveyou, weave in traffic, speed, drive too slowly...basically anything that could give a cop a wrong idea. I believe there are good cops and corrupt cops. I've been helped by cops before and I'm damn glad they exist. I respect cops. However, I will never give into a search because 1. I don't keep my materials in plain view or partake in said materials if I will be driving. 2. I will not let anyone use materials in my car. 3. I tuck them away so they will be hard to find. I don't want to make it easy for ANYONE to find it.
Don't be stupid. Be a resposible law breaker. (And, we've all broken the law in one form or another.)
Yea, well I really think manipulating these "Rights" you claim to hold so dear to break the law is highly unethical and points to the larger problem here...........people want to take risks without accepting responsibility. Not a quality that is very becoming.
I think we have all said our peace, the important thing is we will all be in camp Inforoo™ sharing a beer in June. Good luck.
