know your rights when traveling

What the hell is that suppossed to mean? Only drugs and dealers in the "inner city". Or do you mean black people? Because where I come from anyone using that terminology means black people.

well i agree i could cange my image to play the game. but im not doing anything wrong. if i was in some danger of facing 10 years in prison i would probably play that game and try to hide from the evildoers. but as a tax paying citizen i feel i should be able to live my life the way i want to if im not hurting anyone. and i do try not to wear tie dyes and what not on the way to fests. but i have many people in my vehicle. im not gonna shave my beard because cops harrass innocent people. and i wouldnt expect my friends to cut thier long hair or dreads for the trip to roo. rather i would expect the police, that my tax dollars employ, to do their job the way it was intended to be done when we decided to pay them to serve and protect. very little is done in the name of protecting and serving the public. it mostly lets harrass and abuse the public to make more money. if the police were doing the job they way it was intended they wouldnt have these funding problems. quit wasting millions on helicopters and equipment to look for people growing bud in a closet. quit spending hours on the side of the road, endangering highway users, to search through an innocent persons car looking for something you can use to extort hundereds of dollars from them. id feel better getting protection from the mob. if your good to them they are good to you. we pay cops, and they abuse us. they should be respected members of our communities. instead they are some of the least respected members of the community.

and inner-city has nothing to do with race. it has to do with location. minorities arent the only poor people in america. but if you look at the stats you will find that a large percentage of the kids involved in druq cases come from inside large cities (inner-city) in the suburbs the cops are focused on harrasing young people. its just the way it works. its how they make their money there. bust johnny and suzy for drinking and smoking the reefer and have mommy and daddy pay a bunch of money to make it go away. in the inner city they are ignoring kids. they arent out actively looking for kids skipping school. cops might roll right past a group of 13 year olds standing in a circle somewhere because they know there are bigger fish, with more money, to fry. the parents of those children dont have money. so it costs the cops funds to harrass those kids. they arent interested in that. its a sad fact in america that alot of people in that position in the inner city are minorities. its this countries racism that has caused that to happen. im not racist for seeing things the way they are. i dont control who lives where. noone is driving around the corn fields of iowa looking for a playground to start slangin from. the stats say that most of the kids being targeted by dealers live in the inner city areas. black, white, purple or green dosent matter. i dont control that. i think its a tragedy and it needs to be changed. again quit spending this money on a dumb war on drugs and use it to atleast get inner city school systems up to the sub-standard levels that the suburbs enjoy. or better yet reform our entire school sytem and make a decent system for everyone in america. a war for education would help kids. and ending the war on druqs would help kids too. again druqs are a problem because they are illegal. we saw this same thing with alcohol. legalize it and the problems shrink greatly.

and again it depends on your definition of surviving. when i was 18 i was happy to share a place with friends and have cable. gimme a little xtra for some smoke and mcdonalds and that was the high life. but at 30 with a child it dosent cut it. house payment, car payment, gas for car, car inurance, house insurance, life insurance, cable, electric, gas for house, water/sewage, property taxes, food, toys, school clothes, school supplies, college fund, retirement fund, vacation fund, home repairs, car repairs, appliance repairs, football, baseball, soccer, basketball for the kids, etc... start adding them up and 25 grand dosent get you very far. i guess it depends on where your at in your life. for me i cant survive on the wages of a police officer.

well you can go to prison and talk to many non violent druq offenders who are locked up with murderers and rapists and ask them if they are abused or not. they are away fromt thier families. they are in a place that they are likely to come out of 1 million times worse off thent hey were before. its abuse. being late to work and having your car torn apart because you look like someone who might smoke pot but havent done anything wrong is abuse. having all criminal charges dissappear but they still seize your property and cash is abuse. just becasue it hasnt happened to you dosent mean that its not happening all the time.

many accidents are casued by pullovers on the side of 70 mph highways. officers have been killed, and thousands of accidents happen every year as a result of it. even an inforooer told a story about an accident cause by their own unwarranted and useless highway search against people that have done nothing but fit a profile.

well we must run in way different crowds. because i dont know anyone that respects cops. sure they do some respectful things. but it comes no where near equalling the ammount of shady things they do with 99 percent of their time. and as we see on tv constantly when a situation arises where they could do some protecting and serving they dont. they let someone that they let escape their custody charge into a house and take hostages even though 50 cops were there. they let 3 kids shoot up a school full of kids while they were hiding outside instead of protecting and serving those school children. im not a cop. and if i was at a school that was being shot up i would run in unarmed and try to help.

well we must have been to different places. i witnessed sherrifs rounding people up on shakedown latenight so they could search them, and harrassing a vendor for having a dirty pipe. they took his money and his pipes. and i can honestly say there wasnt any respect being shown to those 'protectors and servers'. noone had a nice thing to say. everyone there was treating the cops like dirt. becasue they earn it. i know weve both been to roo. so take a little poll at roo this year and see how much respect you find for law enforcement.

i dont know what kinda people cops are at home. i refuse to be around them. but i know while at work they are constantly using tricks and being shady to try to investigate people who have done nothing but fit a profile. and they dont seem concerned at all about the impact it has on public safety. only how much money they can steal. taking my money for "taxes" and seizing my property without ever charging me with a criminal offense is stealing, even if some bullshit law says its ok.

im not profiling them for how they look. they are out harrassing the innocent people everyday. investigating them like they have done something just to try to find any reason to take their money and possessions. its actions that count. not appearances. unless your a cop. then its appearances not actions that justify harrassment.

and no worries. i dont think anyones picking a fight. it just seems that way when people dont agree on a message board. everyones entitled to their own thoughts and actions. none of this really matters. it is the way it is and its not gonna change any time soon. the only choice any of us has is to deal with it. our perceptions of the issue and the way with deal with it is all up o us individually. but i dont feel like im morally lower then someonelse because i refus to consent to a search or answer questions. its my rights as an american to do so. i think for anyone thats had it happen to them they know who is morally superior when it comes to cops and their actions against citizens that have done nothing. all cops accept a job profiling people and then trying to trick and intimidate that person into declining all of their rights. seriously, they are trained in how to do it, and do it everyday. im not making this up. on the other hand, all people that are profiled as 'possible druq posessors' do not all actually have druqs and dont deserve to be harrassed when our rights are supposed to protect us from that.

I got pulled last week for running a stop sign. I didnt have my new proof of insurance card and didnt have my seat belt on. I also got a little smart with the cop because he accidentally said the wrong street and I wasnt on that one. He seemed like a total d!ck. Then he walks up with a warning ticket and tells me to have a nice day. I was kinda shocked.

You cant just say that most cops are _____ and ______. You have nothing to base that on. You more than likely have limited experience with police in the first place. Nevermind the number of states and police that you have zero experience with.

But beyond all of that you should have RESPECT for everyone until they give you a reason not to. Period. What you are saying is no different then grouping people by race, gender, sexual preference, education, regionality, religion, hair style, accent, clothing, income, etc...

my respect must be earned, it is -never- given blindly.

all of those things you listed dont hurt me. income, race, sexual preference, education, etc.... for the most part they arent harming me. they arent violating my rights. cops are. your comparisons make no sense.

i have had my car or the car im riding in searched 5 times. resulting in two arrests. all they wanted was my money. just this past summer we were pulled over for having a license plate light out. it was a homeland security task force. they flat told me that they were pulling over every car that had any infraction as part of a homeland security program. there was 15 cop cars involved. 6 or 7 cars pulled over. 2 dogs. we were asked a bunch of questions. made to stand on the side of the highway waiting for the dogs to get done harrassing others. asked many times if we were detained or could we leave and they told us they were processing our information. it was backed up because of the sting. meanwhile the state cops and homeland security goons invited us back to watch some kid rock video about how not to get busted they were all alughing at. we declined. we refused to consent. but they had the dogs and i got arrested for a small personal amount. all for being a passenger in a car with 1 license plate light out. it still had 1 working and was lit up fine. dosent homeland security have anything better to do with their time??? its disgusting.

no i dont. im not the only person that has these problems. i have dozens of friends that can attest to the same raw deal. many inforooers have told their stories. it happens all the time everyday on every traffic stop. EVERY COP!!!!!! come on man you have to be kidding. this is what every cop is trained to do. they take courses on how to do this. ITS PART OF THE JOB! as far as i know priests arent trained to molest kids, its not part of the job description. same thing with race, sexual orientation, and jesus freeks.

GET THE POINT?!?

they are trained to profile innocent people, trained to find some reason to harrass them, and are trained in ways to trick and intimidate you into refusing your rights. all so they can find some minor infraction you have no reason to be suspected of so thay can take your money. either on the spot as a 'tax" or later in court and through bullshit programs. its their job.

Saying cops are trained to be corrupt and steal would be taking it a bit far, but they certainly are trained to ignore your rights during an investigation.

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=US&vol=378&invol=478

It's an old case, 1964, but in summary the evidence in this murder case (a confession, in this case) was suppressed because documents were submitted that proved police are trained to ignore your rights during an investigation.

show some proof

" we refused to consent. but they had the dogs and i got arrested for a small personal amount."
(Sounds like they did their job, you know, cause even a personal amount is illegal)

"i have had my car or the car im riding in searched 5 times. resulting in two arrests"
(Holy Crap! If I were the cops I would pull you or your friends over as much as possible!!! 2 out of five (40 percent) isn't a bad success rate)

"all they wanted was my money"
(They also wanted to check for any other laws being broken, and they find them 40 percent of the time, with you and your crew anyway)


Seriously dude, if they have been so bad to you I'm sure the ACLU would jump on your case, probably for free. Then you get all this wrong made right, maybe even revamp the police training program.

like i said if you want proof then just open yer eyes. look into the training that cops get. spend a day watching the cops and how they treat friendly peaceful people going to a concert that brings millions of dollars to their county. they are profiling and investigatign people with dogs when they arent doing anything at all. just so they can take your money. the cops are at their most disgusting when something like bonnaroo or wakarusa is in town. have you talked to anyone who went to wakarusa? probably not many wka goers that have respect for kansas law enforcement. shit man just turn on cops. you can see them in action intimidating people out of their rights. and then when they find something they craxk on the guy for consenting. theres some proof for you to check into.

we were pulled over for a f**king license plate light man! there was no reason for that bullshit. thast whats at issue. if i walk by a cop asmoking a j i expect to be busted. if im a passenger in a car that has 1 license place light out there is no reason to want to search my stuff. or the car. its f**king bullshit and everyone knows it. its against the constitution. if you cant see that then i truly have nothing more to say to you about it. its obvious we are from different worlds.