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Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 3, 2015 11:12:05 GMT -5
I feel I explained the reasons for staying on Krissy previously, I agree with potent with how Krissy is coming off similar to game 76 (admittedly, that is the earliest game of mafia I have read so I cant comment on how Krissy plays when non-mafia)
I made my choice early, actions since then haven't been enough to warrant a vote switch. Krissy doesn't seem less suspicious (I am taking note of Rummys interactions in the context of Krissy as well as in general), Jaz has had some suspicious behavior, and Potent has been erratic but the outcry is bigger than his actions IMO, especially when there was talk of lynching him outright very early on.
My point of view on the whole "get this day over with thing" is that its not actually helping town to off him early, even if many people are being talkative and making the first day a big ole' shit pit. We need voting patterns, not filler.
Potent has put such a big target on his back, that to ignore the other runoff participants would be misguided. I actually feel more comfortable going with someone other than Potent. If town goes in that direction and decides not to vote off Potent on day 1, I want to keep looking at him in the next days because by no means does that clear him, but to be laser focused to the point of wanting to skip rounds is ridiculous in the first day.
We actually have a pretty solid chance of voting in at least 1 mafia member in the first runoff regardless if its a 4-5 person runoff, even though there is more mafia control, town has the most votes it (probably) will have all game and its not like the mafia have a large amount of pull (most people are randomly choosing a direction or pattern to follow that early on)
For me at this point, something seems fishy. As I have said previously ITT, I will get a better picture of things next round, especially if we put pressure on some of the more quiet folks from round 1 (I understand I have been more quiet as well, I'm not complicating this game any further than I have to; which is also why I am responding in bigger posts and trying to be clear with my thoughts). I just cannot discount the possibility of members in the runoff group we have had since round 1 being mafia affiliated at this point in the game.
I feel I explained the reasons for staying on Krissy previously, I agree with potent with how Krissy is coming off similar to game 76 (admittedly, that is the earliest game of mafia I have read so I cant comment on how Krissy plays when non-mafia)
I made my choice early, actions since then haven't been enough to warrant a vote switch. Krissy doesn't seem less suspicious (I am taking note of Rummys interactions in the context of Krissy as well as in general), Jaz has had some suspicious behavior, and Potent has been erratic but the outcry is bigger than his actions IMO, especially when there was talk of lynching him outright very early on.
My point of view on the whole "get this day over with thing" is that its not actually helping town to off him early, even if many people are being talkative and making the first day a big ole' shit pit. We need voting patterns, not filler.
Potent has put such a big target on his back, that to ignore the other runoff participants would be misguided. I actually feel more comfortable going with someone other than Potent. If town goes in that direction and decides not to vote off Potent on day 1, I want to keep looking at him in the next days because by no means does that clear him, but to be laser focused to the point of wanting to skip rounds is ridiculous in the first day.
We actually have a pretty solid chance of voting in at least 1 mafia member in the first runoff regardless if its a 4-5 person runoff, even though there is more mafia control, town has the most votes it (probably) will have all game and its not like the mafia have a large amount of pull (most people are randomly choosing a direction or pattern to follow that early on)
For me at this point, something seems fishy. As I have said previously ITT, I will get a better picture of things next round, especially if we put pressure on some of the more quiet folks from round 1 (I understand I have been more quiet as well, I'm not complicating this game any further than I have to; which is also why I am responding in bigger posts and trying to be clear with my thoughts). I just cannot discount the possibility of members in the runoff group we have had since round 1 being mafia affiliated at this point in the game.
I think it's important to note the fact that Potent is the one who started the "lynching outright" thing on his own. That's part of the reason why it's stuck with me. It's a risky strategy IF he is mafia... but sometimes risky strategies can have big rewards if it works.
I feel I explained the reasons for staying on Krissy previously, I agree with potent with how Krissy is coming off similar to game 76 (admittedly, that is the earliest game of mafia I have read so I cant comment on how Krissy plays when non-mafia)
I made my choice early, actions since then haven't been enough to warrant a vote switch. Krissy doesn't seem less suspicious (I am taking note of Rummys interactions in the context of Krissy as well as in general), Jaz has had some suspicious behavior, and Potent has been erratic but the outcry is bigger than his actions IMO, especially when there was talk of lynching him outright very early on.
My point of view on the whole "get this day over with thing" is that its not actually helping town to off him early, even if many people are being talkative and making the first day a big ole' shit pit. We need voting patterns, not filler.
Potent has put such a big target on his back, that to ignore the other runoff participants would be misguided. I actually feel more comfortable going with someone other than Potent. If town goes in that direction and decides not to vote off Potent on day 1, I want to keep looking at him in the next days because by no means does that clear him, but to be laser focused to the point of wanting to skip rounds is ridiculous in the first day.
We actually have a pretty solid chance of voting in at least 1 mafia member in the first runoff regardless if its a 4-5 person runoff, even though there is more mafia control, town has the most votes it (probably) will have all game and its not like the mafia have a large amount of pull (most people are randomly choosing a direction or pattern to follow that early on)
For me at this point, something seems fishy. As I have said previously ITT, I will get a better picture of things next round, especially if we put pressure on some of the more quiet folks from round 1 (I understand I have been more quiet as well, I'm not complicating this game any further than I have to; which is also why I am responding in bigger posts and trying to be clear with my thoughts). I just cannot discount the possibility of members in the runoff group we have had since round 1 being mafia affiliated at this point in the game.
I think it's important to note the fact that Potent is the one who started the "lynching outright" thing on his own. That's part of the reason why it's stuck with me. It's a risky strategy IF he is mafia... but sometimes risky strategies can have big rewards if it works.
My attempt to lynch myself was actually for the exact reason that Rummy posted about earlier today. I understand the rules about not ending on the weekend but my gawd can some of these waits get interminable. I was reading the writing on the wall (still am) that I would be going, and I wanted to cut the game short.
And let me also say that my volunteering to be lynched was intended to prove I was town. I think JFG outlined it perfectly actually - insane as a mafia strategy and I'd be the worst inspector ever. Well...I'm town...
Post by potentpotables on Apr 3, 2015 11:29:08 GMT -5
Krissy, I'm also kind of bothered by the fact that you are the one who is always complaining about how quiet it is. I haven't been quiet, I've been very active. And now you're punishing me for it. What incentive is that to ever be active on Day 1 again? I find this hypocritical of you (in the game, of course). You want people to talk, but apparently only the talk that suits you.
I wonder if Jaz and Krissy are mafia together and that's why they are targeting me so heavily. A few things I did are misinterpreted (and other possibilities blatantly dismissed by Jaz) and all of a sudden they are blown out of proportion and I put a target on my back.
Post by Farrisbueller on Apr 3, 2015 11:45:02 GMT -5
Potent wasn't looking very good early on. He too changed his strategy from previous games but explained it to my satisfaction (due to me also being displeased with the lack of talkers and the skipping of rounds late in the game because of that)
Once he offered himself up for the lynch, a couple people hopped on that train, those in the runoff at that. And that is what is bothering me. Why would a mafia member give himself up so early, I would want to go the max amount of rounds. Unless there were too much mafia heat in the runoff that he was trying to distract from. In which case, other mafia could have already been taken out of the runoff and/or they are still in the runoff.
What I am getting at, is Potent is much too easy of a target, much like me last game, for there to be THAT much suspicion on him so early and for him to be 100% mafia. And for us to limit the towns information by offing him outright is silly. If the town hasn't noticed, Potent backed off of lynching himself which would eliminate the possibility he was trying to be a distraction and go out quickly. Others backed off later as well but still those in the runoff that supported the outright lynch, have locked their votes in to him. Could this be for mafia preservation reasons? Possibly, but I don't know have enough to say one way or the other.
I feel I explained the reasons for staying on Krissy previously, I agree with potent with how Krissy is coming off similar to game 76 (admittedly, that is the earliest game of mafia I have read so I cant comment on how Krissy plays when non-mafia)
I made my choice early, actions since then haven't been enough to warrant a vote switch. Krissy doesn't seem less suspicious (I am taking note of Rummys interactions in the context of Krissy as well as in general), Jaz has had some suspicious behavior, and Potent has been erratic but the outcry is bigger than his actions IMO, especially when there was talk of lynching him outright very early on.
My point of view on the whole "get this day over with thing" is that its not actually helping town to off him early, even if many people are being talkative and making the first day a big ole' shit pit. We need voting patterns, not filler.
Potent has put such a big target on his back, that to ignore the other runoff participants would be misguided. I actually feel more comfortable going with someone other than Potent. If town goes in that direction and decides not to vote off Potent on day 1, I want to keep looking at him in the next days because by no means does that clear him, but to be laser focused to the point of wanting to skip rounds is ridiculous in the first day.
We actually have a pretty solid chance of voting in at least 1 mafia member in the first runoff regardless if its a 4-5 person runoff, even though there is more mafia control, town has the most votes it (probably) will have all game and its not like the mafia have a large amount of pull (most people are randomly choosing a direction or pattern to follow that early on)
For me at this point, something seems fishy. As I have said previously ITT, I will get a better picture of things next round, especially if we put pressure on some of the more quiet folks from round 1 (I understand I have been more quiet as well, I'm not complicating this game any further than I have to; which is also why I am responding in bigger posts and trying to be clear with my thoughts). I just cannot discount the possibility of members in the runoff group we have had since round 1 being mafia affiliated at this point in the game.
I just want to point out that potent was the one in favor of lynching himself outright. I don't agree with that, and I don't think we should now either. I'm pretty much always in favor of more runoffs; I locked my vote simply because I know how I feel about this round, and if the rest of the town decides to expedite the round by locking their votes as well, I'm fine with that.
Farris I've just seen your last post, and want you to read this again ^. Locking my vote should absolutely not be seen as a desire to lynch potent outright. And again, I don't see anyone in this thread saying that potent is 100% Mafia, so I'm not sure you're actually reading the parts of several posts where I say that I'm not sold on potent being Mafia.
Krissy, I'm also kind of bothered by the fact that you are the one who is always complaining about how quiet it is. I haven't been quiet, I've been very active. And now you're punishing me for it. What incentive is that to ever be active on Day 1 again? I find this hypocritical of you (in the game, of course). You want people to talk, but apparently only the talk that suits you.
I wonder if Jaz and Krissy are mafia together and that's why they are targeting me so heavily. A few things I did are misinterpreted (and other possibilities blatantly dismissed by Jaz) and all of a sudden they are blown out of proportion and I put a target on my back.
I'm not blatantly dismissing possibilities. I've said several times that out of the people in the runoff, I just think you're most likely and that I'm not convinced you're Mafia. Maybe Krissy is, maybe none of us are. But your actions work against you, and that's what I have to look at. I know it seems like I'm gunning super hard for you - I guess that's just how my argument is coming across - but I'm not. I look at other possibilities, and then say "No, I think my vote for potent is still warranted". That's different from just blatantly dismissing them, as you seem to think.
I just want to point out that potent was the one in favor of lynching himself outright. I don't agree with that, and I don't think we should now either. I'm pretty much always in favor of more runoffs; I locked my vote simply because I know how I feel about this round, and if the rest of the town decides to expedite the round by locking their votes as well, I'm fine with that.
I mean this as in to expedite us to another runoff. Not to expedite us to a lynch.
I'm concerned with everyone jumping on potent. He hasn't actually done anything that would blatantly expose him as a mafia. Essentially he switched his votes a couple times and then Jim said that potent is "cleared" without (even now) having provided an explanation. But that's not enough for me to 100% think he's a mafia.
I'm more concerned right now with how strongly the majority of the town has come down on potent. I'm not convinced either way right now, but I'm hoping this move will create some more substantive actions from all players. Again, like most things in round 1, it's a guy feeling.
I just want to point out that potent was the one in favor of lynching himself outright. I don't agree with that, and I don't think we should now either. I'm pretty much always in favor of more runoffs; I locked my vote simply because I know how I feel about this round, and if the rest of the town decides to expedite the round by locking their votes as well, I'm fine with that.
I mean this as in to expedite us to another runoff. Not to expedite us to a lynch.
Look, you were on Rummy for most of the game. You didn't switch votes until there was a chance she continued with you into the runoff and you had a swing vote. That in and of itself is eyebrow raising considering all you have said so far. Part of the reason I wasnt changing votes this round without really good reason. Rummy wasn't making me feel any better of her AT ALL during the course of this either, plus mafias bad habit of voting for each other in the first round.
Krissy, I'm also kind of bothered by the fact that you are the one who is always complaining about how quiet it is. I haven't been quiet, I've been very active. And now you're punishing me for it. What incentive is that to ever be active on Day 1 again? I find this hypocritical of you (in the game, of course). You want people to talk, but apparently only the talk that suits you.
I wonder if Jaz and Krissy are mafia together and that's why they are targeting me so heavily. A few things I did are misinterpreted (and other possibilities blatantly dismissed by Jaz) and all of a sudden they are blown out of proportion and I put a target on my back.
I'm not blatantly dismissing possibilities. I've said several times that out of the people in the runoff, I just think you're most likely and that I'm not convinced you're Mafia. Maybe Krissy is, maybe none of us are. But your actions work against you, and that's what I have to look at. I know it seems like I'm gunning super hard for you - I guess that's just how my argument is coming across - but I'm not. I look at other possibilities, and then say "No, I think my vote for potent is still warranted". That's different from just blatantly dismissing them, as you seem to think.
I feel like you blatantly dismissed the possibilities in regards to the Tainted vs Rummy vote that I cast and my explanation for it. YOU felt that my reasoning was incongrous, but I didn't feel that way and only one of us gets to cast my vote. I felt, as a person new to mafia, Rummy would have been contacted by fellow mafia there to say "don't do that" (reciprocate and stack on Jaz). Rummy has subsequently disclosed that she is not new to mafia, though I would say that there are some differences between playing this game in person and playing it via a message board (where everything is written and parsed a ton). Whether Rummy has played in a written form/forum like this, I don't know, but I didn't think she had when I made the decision to switch my vote to Tainted. That is the difference that I saw, that you are dismissing as incongruous. Granted, I've never been mafia (you know this from reffing the past two games), so I don't know how mafia communication works, but I can tell you that if I were mafia with Rummy, I would tried to talk her out of doing that. That's what led me to not vote for her and to "clear" her so early (noting later that I was still half suspicious and when she said she was experienced in the game I moved that to fully suspicious.)
I think if people read the thread from my point of view you'll seen a townie who wanted to be active and has no idea what the quack is going on.
Okay, so I wanted to present actual evidence to show 1.) that I've been saying all along that I'm not convinced potent is mafia and that 2.) most of my "gunning" for potent has only been because I've been asked questions directly or have been accused of one thing or another and wanted to defend my position.
Jim I'm also interested in your reasoning for clearing potent (you may have answered that by the time I finished typing this, but I wanted to express my desire in seeing your response as well).
I've been quieter this round because I've pretty much heard what I want to hear from Rummy, Krissy, and potent at this point - it's our quieter players I want to hear from, and their inactivity makes it difficult for me to engage with them. I'm also very interested in seeing where potent and bogart place their votes. I have the mild beginnings of a theory or two brewing, but I want to see where the votes go before I voice them. It's too easy for me to get wrapped up in my own theories and end up getting tunnelvision.
This is when I start getting actually suspicious of potent.
*I will preface this post by saying I had typed most of this before Krissy changed votes again so I added onto what I had said with updated info and changed points where necessary.*
Potent had very little choice in this round once Rummy took her vote off Jazmo and put it on Krissy. So where he puts his vote for me is pretty simple. Barring any outstanding vote changes, it's Bogarts choice of either Jaz or Potent in a 3 way with Krissy and Rummy. But now that Krissy changed votes, this gave both potent and bogart options for who to choose, more or less throwing the ball back in potents court. I think that move by Krissy is as sketchy as you can get at this point in the game.
Jaz, you have made a couple references to theory's, this most recent one following a reference to your interest in how the voting goes down with Bogart and Potent. As I explained above, there isn't much choice, when Rummy and Krissy made their votes early, it didn't leave many more paths to follow. I don't know what theory's would be influenced by such little choice at the end of the round, Bogart hasn't said much and the other voters gave potent the easy choice of only you. You're post would have made more sense had you said it after Krissy changed her vote.
By no means am I clearing anybody of being mafia. With all this taken into consideration, I prefer the runoff be Krissy, Rummy, and Jaz.
P.S. Son of a Beek if you are a townie (which I am not saying you are) than you trying to instigate people (as in myself) for something similar to something you are doing is a bad strategy for the towns health. It also looks bad on your behalf when you clear someone so early and blatantly like you did with potent. Remember, word choice is key to getting your point across to a group.
Yes, I said that I wanted to see where the votes go before sharing my thoughts (because as you implied, the timing of posts makes a difference) - but that does not mean that my thoughts hinge on where bogart and potent put theirs. I meant that I want to see some movement overall and see how that plays into what I'm thinking. That includes votes before and/or after potent and bogart's.
It's also worth pointing out that I don't take my own - or anyone else's - first-round theories too seriously. The first round is always based on very little. The whack helps a bunch in terms of evidence.
Full admittance that I doubt I'll be convinced of anything this early in the game, before I even make mention of potent.
I have this feeling that if one of the Mafia were in the run off, his/her fellow Mafia members might be a little more vocal towards promoting the vote-off of someone not in their crew. Idk, the silence is eerie and kinda makes me feel that the run off does not include any Mafia, that they're off chilling to the side and letting this go down as it will because none of their team is in danger of being hacked this round.
I'm not even saying this with any relevance to the fact that I'm on the chopping block. Just thought of it now, though.
This is why I'm wary of Jim "clearing" potent, as well as Tainted gunning for Krissy for really shaky reasons - especially considering that potent was the one who moved his vote to save Tainted from being in the runoff.
Suspicion of potent. Feel free to add this to the "Jazmo's gunning for potent" column.
Lastly, I'm going to vote null for the time being because out of the three other people in the runoff I suspect Rummy the least right now. I'm most suspicious of potent but I don't want to push him up to four votes until he and bogart (AND HOPEFULLY ALL THESE QUIET PEOPLE) have their say. Sorry for the multiple posts.
Jazmo >> rummagingforanswers7 >> null
Voting to make my vote congruent with what I was saying. My initial vote on Rummy was just a random vote (first vote of the game, after all), and now that I have actual thoughts for changing my vote, I felt no need to maintain a vote that was initially random. Farrisbueller I think the post below should explain why I voted when I did.
We are in round 2 of day 1. Yes it's kind of early for this many vote switches from all over IMO. We still don't have lots to go on, which has been stated by people that then switch their votes as if there was something more to go off of.
I am not saying people switching votes is sketchy, although it is eye raising. It's the context of the situation that makes certain things go off for me.
My vote switch to null was largely defensive. My "theory" that I was talking about earlier was a potential potent/tainted connection. After Rummy posted about looking out for players on the sideline trying to sway votes, I decided it was better to voice my thoughts then. However, I then realized that holding my vote on Rummy after airing my suspicion of potent would raise flags - why hold my vote on Rummy (who I don't think I've voiced any true suspicions of) when I'm voicing a suspicion of potent? After all, it's the votes that matter. So I thought of moving to potent. But then I realized that switching to potent outright would raise even bigger flags, since krissy had just also moved off of Rummy and onto potent (and my vote would have pushed potent into the lead). So I voted null, in order to be congruent with my statements about potent without looking like I'm colluding with Krissy (because I'm not). With potent and bogart's votes still pending, I can now (hopefully) make sure that potent gets into the runoff, without forcing someone else to have to vote a certain way for that to happen (which would have been the case if I had pushed potent up to four votes).
Jaz before I post my thoughts I have a question for you. Why do you think Potent initially saved you from being in the runoff?
Your guess is good as mine on that one. I understand his initial vote on me with his predetermined voting pattern, but his move to Tainted didn't make sense to me, which is why I started badgering him about it. He said that rummaging's stack made him less suspicious of her while Tainted's stack made him more suspicious, which is rather incongruous - which I pointed out then.
My best guess as to an actual motive is that it wasn't about me. If there is a potent/tainted connection, then I'd say he moved onto Tainted so that way he could then save Tainted from the runoff if things got to that point - which is exactly what happened. But again, my suspicion of that connection is just a first-round musing and I'm not sold on it, but it fits. Outside of that, I haven't a clue.
I'm only talking about potent here because I was asked directly. And I say that I'm not sold on my ideas.
What I have to say is nothing groundbreaking. The reason I initially cleared potent was because of how similar he was acting to previous games. I saw nothing alarming except his vote changes. The reason I asked Jazmo the question is because he is up in arms about Potent saving you for the runoff, but doesn't ever mention that Potent initially moved off of Jazmo to put you in the runoff instead.
That's because I know I'm town, so it's not a suspicious move to me. And the same question works for you in reverse - why are you not suspicious that potent saved tainted from the runoff, when after he switched to Tainted you immediately replaced his vote for me with yours? You seemed to be suspicious of his movement then - why is that not the case with Tainted?
Making a defense of myself, and asking Jim a question (though apparently he is suspicious of potent now, so I guess it doesn't matter that he didn't respond. His vote doesn't reflect that though...)
I don't actually know. I have stated a few times that it's my belief - I could easily be wrong. But, people are downright adamant that I'm mafia, and I simply am not.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
Making a defense for myself, and stating throughout that I'm not convinced he's mafia.
Hey I apologize I'm in conferences all day but dipped into a stall to catch up. I'm on mobile so no bold, but can you elaborate on the things that implicated potent ? I'm trying to get a basis of reason for that and apologize if you've already explained it above in which case I'll take more time at lunch to explore these past few pages.
Rummy summarized most of it pretty nicely. In the first round of voting, potent said he wasn't suspicious of Rummy because she stacked, and said that he was suspicious of you because you stacked - used the same reasoning to move his "suspicions" in opposite directions, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He said the difference was that he thought Rummy was new to the game - fair enough - but it still stood out in my mind.
Secondly, Potent switched off of me and onto you, which gave him the power to save you from a runoff - which he did. It's also worth noting that Jim immediately replaced potent's vote at this time - in essence, this allowed a vote to stay on me while you were able to be saved from a runoff should that need arise. Now, this could all be very innocuous and the connection-finding I'm doing could just be me grasping at straws (which after all is all one can do in the first round). However, Jim saying that he's "cleared" potent for this round is sketchy - and you NOT finding that sketchy is sketchy as well. That raises my eyebrows. But you and Jim aren't in the runoff, and potent is.
Now, based on votes and discussion, even though I'm most suspicious of you, potent, and Jim, I don't think all three of you are Mafia, only because I don't think all three of you would play poorly enough to let yourselves be found in the first round. So my ideas will change as the game goes on (obviously). I still think there's a least one quieter Mafia, but our quiet people aren't in the runoff. In focusing on the things that have been said and the votes that have been cast, potent seems like the best choice for me of the people who are in the runoff.
Only talking more about potent because it was asked of me directly. And potentpotables see where I say "fair enough"? That's not a blatant dismissal. That's me considering your point and taking it into account. It's the other behavior from Tainted and Jim that make me most suspicious of you, not the initial Rummy v Tainted thing. I know that's what you're focusing on (in your latest post addressed to me), but that's not what's doing it for me.
I would prefer a runoff between Jazmo, Potent and Krissy. With that in mind, my original and standing vote has to remain standing. I am open to hearing more from JFG about how these past few pages have been beneficial to the overall view of the pieces on the board, as I basically feel backed into a corner with my vote. I have done what I can to keep searching for possible in's and out's, but I keep landing on Jaz specifically and then Krissy. Jaz, you've pointed your guns in damn near every direction you possibly could in these 9 pages, and while I've found it informative I've also found it to be concerning. Krissy, I've yet to feel less suspicious of you. You guys have both sort of slowly brought your guns around in my direction, and I'd like to offer and conversation or answers that I can over the next two hours to be of benefit for the next round / day. My conferences are done, I have access to my laptop for about 5 more hours then I'm headed to an Of Montreal concert. I'll have my phone on me and will try to check it once or twice or at least before I drive home.
If by that you mean at potent, you, and Jim, then yes. And the attention I've brought to you has been based on your own votes and actions, as I've explained. Am I sold on any of you being Mafia? No, it's too early in the game for that. But I think my suspicions are well-founded as I explained in my response to your question earlier today. If you see flaws in my thinking, I would like for you to point them out for me. Is far as I can see, it fits, so I'm not sure why you're painting me as wildly accusing everyone and their mother. I don't think I've really pointed fingers at anyone other than the aforementioned players and pokes at the quiet people because I want them to talk more. If anything I'm being too focused on potent - and I fully admit that tunnelvision is something I suffer from in this game, it's a fair rebuttal - but unless things change drastically over the course of the Day I don't see my reasoning or vote changing.
More defense of my position because I was accused, and more of me saying it's too early in the game for me to be sold on anyone. (Anyone noticing a pattern here?)
I've been defending my views rationally whenever accused, and have been saying THIS ENTIRE GAME that I'm not adamant about potent being Mafia. Yet I keep getting painted with that brush. But do I think he's the best choice for this runoff? Absolutely, and I obviously have no problem defending my reasoning whenever asked (but apparently answering people's direct questions about my reasoning just equals me gunning for potent).
Potent: if you're being "punished" for being talkative then so am I. And I don't believe I've ever said you were one of the quiet ones. I want people to talk and dissect and ask questions. That's the only way we'll get information. Also - the comment about Jaz and me being mafia together and are targeting you on DAY 1 is laughable and does nothing but make me more suspicious. You were all about voting yourself out in the last runoff to move the game along and now you're in self-preservation mode. Why the change?
Farris: Your statement about those of us who had locked votes on potent jumping on the lynch him train is flat out false. I never thought it was a good idea and was quite vocal in this. That misconstrual makes me wonder about you a bit.
Let me make my intentions clear (again): When I go back through the thread, I find potents actions and words more suspicious than Jaz. Therefore my vote stays. I am not convinced he is mafia by any means, but out of those who have been in the runoff, he has consistently been the one I believe is most likely to be mafia.
Also, bogart and Son of a Beek - Since both of you said that some of your suspicions of me are based upon me "wanting" to be in the runoff. Where does that put me in your eyes considering potent just offered himself up for the lynch?
I need to catch up on the thread, but from what I've read I've made a 180 on my opinion of Potent. I'll make a more informed post later
I want people to talk and dissect and ask questions. That's the only way we'll get information.
Both sides are looking for information.
I don't understand what you mean by this statement? Yes - everyone is looking for information regardless of which side they're on. Does that mean, as a town, we should talk less so the mafia gets less information? I don't get it.
Hmm interesting move there. Can you further explain why you care to help test his theory, even if it might hurt you?
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
This is the post that changed my mind on Potent because it makes no sense. With four people in a runoff just voting potent off directly would've hurt the town and he should realize that if he was a townie. First of all we lose a member of the town and are off to a bad start, then we eliminate any possibility of voting off any mafia just in case Potent's gut feeling was wrong. Even if there are no mafia in the current runoff it makes no sense to just lynch a townie. But I'm not entirely convinced that potent is mafia either. I did a 180 in the sense that I went from no suspicion of him to there being a very real possibility he is mafia, but I'm not completely sold.
Post by Son of a Beek on Apr 3, 2015 14:57:47 GMT -5
What really is suspicious is everyone ganging up on Potent mainly for his many shifts of votes and his offer to be the lynch for day one. While Krissy seems to be forgiven for doing the same.
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
This is the post that changed my mind on Potent because it makes no sense. With four people in a runoff just voting potent off directly would've hurt the town and he should realize that if he was a townie. First of all we lose a member of the town and are off to a bad start, then we eliminate any possibility of voting off any mafia just in case Potent's gut feeling was wrong. Even if there are no mafia in the current runoff it makes no sense to just lynch a townie. But I'm not entirely convinced that potent is mafia either. I did a 180 in the sense that I went from no suspicion of him to there being a very real possibility he is mafia, but I'm not completely sold.
If you believe there is a real possibility of potent being mafia, why did you lock on Jazmo with so much time left in this runoff? If you feel Jazmo is more suspicious, that's fine. I'd just like to see more explanation from you. When we were mafia together in 76, you played very similarly to how you're playing now. Makes me keep an eye on you.
What really is suspicious is everyone ganging up on Potent mainly for his many shifts of votes and his offer to be the lynch for day one. While Krissy seems to be forgiven for doing the same.
Seriously? This is just false all around, Jim. I'd love for you to show me some backup to that claim.
Sorry guys that this post won't be very long since I'm on my phone.
This is the post that changed my mind on Potent because it makes no sense. With four people in a runoff just voting potent off directly would've hurt the town and he should realize that if he was a townie. First of all we lose a member of the town and are off to a bad start, then we eliminate any possibility of voting off any mafia just in case Potent's gut feeling was wrong. Even if there are no mafia in the current runoff it makes no sense to just lynch a townie. But I'm not entirely convinced that potent is mafia either. I did a 180 in the sense that I went from no suspicion of him to there being a very real possibility he is mafia, but I'm not completely sold.
If you believe there is a real possibility of potent being mafia, why did you lock on Jazmo with so much time left in this runoff? If you feel Jazmo is more suspicious, that's fine. I'd just like to see more explanation from you. When we were mafia together in 76, you played very similarly to how you're playing now. Makes me keep an eye on you.
I could say the same about you. At the time I locked my vote you and Potent were tied.
