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I will test your theory, and simultaneously put myself in position to be voted off.
potent >>> krissy >>> jazmo
You'll note I now have the "lead" in votes, and it's caused by me switching my vote. Will you switch yours off me?
Hmm interesting move there. Can you further explain why you care to help test his theory, even if it might hurt you?
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
I've gone through all the voting posts to catch up, so I have one handy; by my count:
4 - Potent (JFG, Jimmyroo, Krissy, Jaz)
3 - Jaz (Jim, Bogart, Potent)
3 - Krissy (Farris, Tainted, Rummaging)
1 - Rummaging (Surf)
I re-read the thread quickly, and I would rather see a Potent / Jaz run off, as some one else mentioned. But I would rather see a Krissy / Jaz / Potent run off.
JFG108 > Potent > Rummaging
If my count is right, that should leave Jaz, Krissy and Potent with three votes each. If my count is off, I would vote null to achieve the same outcome.
I believe your count was/is correct.
It should be 3 potent, 3 jaz, 3 krissy, 2 rummy right now. No need for the null vote.
Hmm interesting move there. Can you further explain why you care to help test his theory, even if it might hurt you?
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
Obviously JFG did what I was wanting to see Jimmyroo do, which has the same effect.
Hmm interesting move there. Can you further explain why you care to help test his theory, even if it might hurt you?
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
IMO - More runoffs = more voting patterns = more info for town/inspector. How is this a bad thing for the town?
If you'd like to see the Day end after this runoff, who do you want to see gone and why?
Potent, how do you actually know there are no mafia in the runoff? Please share.
I don't actually know. I have stated a few times that it's my belief - I could easily be wrong. But, people are downright adamant that I'm mafia, and I simply am not.
Potent, how do you actually know there are no mafia in the runoff? Please share.
I don't think he used definitive words in his post like "knowing" that there aren't. But I'm with him on suspecting that the run-off is comprised of town only at this point. Could that be incorrect? Of course. Just a hunch I have.
So how do we proceed from here? Run off or no run off?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
"testing his theory" was basically code for "I'm moving my vote to see if you will move your vote". Also, recognizing that to manufacture the 2 person runoff from the 4 person runoff would be pretty difficult to do quickly, so the only option to go forward was to have a 3 person runoff. I put my vote on Jaz, if Jimmyroo would have put his vote on you then we would have had a 3 person runoff with his two desired people.
But at this point, I also think that another runoff is going to hurt the town more than help the town. I've stated I believe twice that I'm worried none of the 4 in the runoff are mafia. Any more runoffs are going to lead to more false connections. Jaz actually believes that there is a devious connection between me and Tainted Opossum (there isn't, for what it's worth - at least on my end, I have no idea if Tainted is mafia). I'm worried that the townies are chasing false leads at this point, and I can tell you for a fact that chasing any lead with me is going to lead you to a dead end and possibly a mafia win depending how much you believe I'm mafia.
I think the town needs to get back to focusing on who is really mafia instead of chasing these false leads. I don't see how another runoff involving 3 people helps the town, and I'm not really sure a 2 person runoff helps the town either.
IMO - More runoffs = more voting patterns = more info for town/inspector. How is this a bad thing for the town?
If you'd like to see the Day end after this runoff, who do you want to see gone and why?
I know you feel that way, and sure I generally agree. But if my hunch is correct that none of us is mafia, I think it may have a deleterious effect on the town, in that *connections* will be made that are not real connections. I already said my thoughts on Jazmo's Tainted/me *connection* - I know nothing about tainted, whether he knows something about me is for him to answer.
Also, I'm worried about a possible Jim/potent *connection* being made. Jim stated that I was his most likely to be town - he's correct that I'm town but it's a judgment of his that I'm most likely to be town - and he could be subject to scrutiny under some *connection* between him and me that does not exist.
Also, I think the town might be so far off base that it might be beneficial to cut bait, lynch a townie, and start shining the spotlight on some people who have been less scrutinized at this point.
IMO - More runoffs = more voting patterns = more info for town/inspector. How is this a bad thing for the town?
If you'd like to see the Day end after this runoff, who do you want to see gone and why?
Also, I think the town might be so far off base that it might be beneficial to cut bait, lynch a townie, and start shining the spotlight on some people who have been less scrutinized at this point.
Yeah, I'm definitely most suspicious of the MIA people right now - not by way of their initial silence so much as their continuation of it, even as we ask for them to come out of the woodwork for just a post or two to give us some idea of their thoughts.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
IMO - More runoffs = more voting patterns = more info for town/inspector. How is this a bad thing for the town?
If you'd like to see the Day end after this runoff, who do you want to see gone and why?
I know you feel that way, and sure I generally agree. But if my hunch is correct that none of us is mafia, I think it may have a deleterious effect on the town, in that *connections* will be made that are not real connections. I already said my thoughts on Jazmo's Tainted/me *connection* - I know nothing about tainted, whether he knows something about me is for him to answer.
Also, I'm worried about a possible Jim/potent *connection* being made. Jim stated that I was his most likely to be town - he's correct that I'm town but it's a judgment of his that I'm most likely to be town - and he could be subject to scrutiny under some *connection* between him and me that does not exist.
Also, I think the town might be so far off base that it might be beneficial to cut bait, lynch a townie, and start shining the spotlight on some people who have been less scrutinized at this point.
You spoke to my first statement, but didn't answer my question.
I know you feel that way, and sure I generally agree. But if my hunch is correct that none of us is mafia, I think it may have a deleterious effect on the town, in that *connections* will be made that are not real connections. I already said my thoughts on Jazmo's Tainted/me *connection* - I know nothing about tainted, whether he knows something about me is for him to answer.
Also, I'm worried about a possible Jim/potent *connection* being made. Jim stated that I was his most likely to be town - he's correct that I'm town but it's a judgment of his that I'm most likely to be town - and he could be subject to scrutiny under some *connection* between him and me that does not exist.
Also, I think the town might be so far off base that it might be beneficial to cut bait, lynch a townie, and start shining the spotlight on some people who have been less scrutinized at this point.
You spoke to my first statement, but didn't answer my question.
Sorry, I just forgot.
My move this morning was indicative of who I think should go. It should be me. I'm not mafia, but if so many of you are convinced I'm shady, then I should go and I volunteered myself to do that basically.
And it's tough for me to say that. I really like playing this game and want to keep playing. And I'm not going to quit or anything and just give the mafia a free lynch. But I was reading the tea leaves and I didn't think you, JFG, Jimmyroo, or Jaz would move your vote from me, and Jaz would continue to drive the bus against me. At that point, only 2 more people would need to swing my way. I figured Rummy was probably next to move her vote on me (in the next runoff), and so then there would only be one vote needed. Granted, I'm not going to vote for myself (I don't know if that is allowed?), and I think Jim and Tainted both don't think I'm mafia (though that may change). That makes it 5-3 and leaves Surf, Bogie, and Farris. I just looked at the odds of me being able to convince all three of them that I'm not mafia as pretty low.
JFG moving his vote off of me was only to continue to a runoff - I have no reason to think it won't move back to me in a new runoff.
You spoke to my first statement, but didn't answer my question.
Sorry, I just forgot.
My move this morning was indicative of who I think should go. It should be me. I'm not mafia, but if so many of you are convinced I'm shady, then I should go and I volunteered myself to do that basically.
And it's tough for me to say that. I really like playing this game and want to keep playing. And I'm not going to quit or anything and just give the mafia a free lynch. But I was reading the tea leaves and I didn't think you, JFG, Jimmyroo, or Jaz would move your vote from me, and Jaz would continue to drive the bus against me. At that point, only 2 more people would need to swing my way. I figured Rummy was probably next to move her vote on me (in the next runoff), and so then there would only be one vote needed. Granted, I'm not going to vote for myself (I don't know if that is allowed?), and I think Jim and Tainted both don't think I'm mafia (though that may change). That makes it 5-3 and leaves Surf, Bogie, and Farris. I just looked at the odds of me being able to convince all three of them that I'm not mafia as pretty low.
JFG moving his vote off of me was only to continue to a runoff - I have no reason to think it won't move back to me in a new runoff.
i wouldn't be so sure if I were you that I'll move my vote to you. I've said it about four times and I'll say it again: I don't feel confident at all that any mafia are in the group of four we have been discussing (I know I'm not, and I'm starting to back off the belief that any of you three are either). I think the town has gotten ourselves in a bit of a pickle, and I'm with you on wanting to just be done with this round and try to do better with Day 2.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
My mafia darlings... Viking had sent me a PM asking for coverage which unfortunately i did not see timely. I am reading now to see if the ref still might need a hand.
Potent, how do you actually know there are no mafia in the runoff? Please share.
I don't actually know. I have stated a few times that it's my belief - I could easily be wrong. But, people are downright adamant that I'm mafia, and I simply am not.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
My mafia darlings... Viking had sent me a PM asking for coverage which unfortunately i did not see timely. I am reading now to see if the ref still might need a hand.
Thanks Fawn, you da best. We've been doing an okay job keeping the tally current (and I can post a full updated tally if you don't have the time), but what we really need is a deadline. The 36 hours for this runoff has already been met, but Viking hasn't been around to post and enforce a deadline. Did he say why he's been MIA? If it's personal that's fine; I just hope he's okay.
My mafia darlings... Viking had sent me a PM asking for coverage which unfortunately i did not see timely. I am reading now to see if the ref still might need a hand.
Thanks Fawn, you da best. We've been doing an okay job keeping the tally current (and I can post a full updated tally if you don't have the time), but what we really need is a deadline. The 36 hours for this runoff has already been met, but Viking hasn't been around to post and enforce a deadline. Did he say why he's been MIA? If it's personal that's fine; I just hope he's okay.
Jaz - thanks for keeping the tally! I want back to page 5 - start of runoff 1 - and validated from there. Set the end of runoff 1 to 6pm tonight my time (EDT).
The note from viking said he had urgent business matters.
The day 1 - runoff 1 will end at 6 pm today - Eastern Daylight (NOT Roo time)
Isn't that missing some names? Jaz has 3 votes I think but you only list Jim, and Potent has 3 too but only Jfg and Jimmy are listed. Are we still waiting on someone to vote? And did we decide how many people should go into the final run off?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I don't actually know. I have stated a few times that it's my belief - I could easily be wrong. But, people are downright adamant that I'm mafia, and I simply am not.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
Hey I apologize I'm in conferences all day but dipped into a stall to catch up. I'm on mobile so no bold, but can you elaborate on the things that implicated potent ? I'm trying to get a basis of reason for that and apologize if you've already explained it above in which case I'll take more time at lunch to explore these past few pages.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
Hey I apologize I'm in conferences all day but dipped into a stall to catch up. I'm on mobile so no bold, but can you elaborate on the things that implicated potent ? I'm trying to get a basis of reason for that and apologize if you've already explained it above in which case I'll take more time at lunch to explore these past few pages.
Yea I'm getting ready for work though so I'll post in an hour or two.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
Hey I apologize I'm in conferences all day but dipped into a stall to catch up. I'm on mobile so no bold, but can you elaborate on the things that implicated potent ? I'm trying to get a basis of reason for that and apologize if you've already explained it above in which case I'll take more time at lunch to explore these past few pages.
I'll help Jazzy out here while we are waiting on his full response. If I remember correctly, he was suspicious of a potential link between Potent and Jim, by way of Jim announcing his oddly confident (for this early on in the game) belief in Potent's innocence. From a few pages back, Jaz said:
Jim I'm also interested in your reasoning for clearing potent (you may have answered that by the time I finished typing this, but I wanted to express my desire in seeing your response as well).
I've been quieter this round because I've pretty much heard what I want to hear from Rummy, Krissy, and potent at this point - it's our quieter players I want to hear from, and their inactivity makes it difficult for me to engage with them. I'm also very interested in seeing where potent and bogart place their votes. I have the mild beginnings of a theory or two brewing, but I want to see where the votes go before I voice them. It's too easy for me to get wrapped up in my own theories and end up getting tunnelvision.
Also, there was the fact that potent moved his vote to save Tainted from being in the runoff - another possibly sketchy move that Jaz made note of earlier.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
POtent - can you delete your last one please quoting the wrong post that i made. I removed mine and we will let it stand with Jazmo's last post. (This is why i've not been here to watch. No time these days.)
POtent - can you delete your last one please quoting the wrong post that i made. I removed mine and we will let it stand with Jazmo's last post. (This is why i've not been here to watch. No time these days.)
I don't know if there's a mafia in the runoff or not, but I think that just "getting the round over" is dangerous, too. Right now, there are four people in the runoff. The mafia can easily separate their votes and hide with that big of a group. I strongly feel we need to have another runoff. I could go either way with a 2 or 3 person runoff next. A 2 person runoff will obviously be most beneficial, as that gives the mafia the least amount of room to hide.
I'm going to assume this is referring to me. I want to reiterate (as I said when you asked me directly) that I don't believe you're Mafia. But I don't believe you're not Mafia either. I think that as the votes and discussion have unfolded so far, there are more things that implicate you than anyone else, which warrants my vote and my speculation. This is the first round, where it's always damn near impossible to be sure of anything. If you're not Mafia - which I fully admit you may not be - please forgive my words condemning you, as it's not my aim to throw off the town. But we have to vote off somebody, and once we're restricted to voting for people in the runoff, my speculation is necessarily going to narrow one of those people. This round it's you, because that's what fits for me. Come the middle of Day 2, I may completely abandon all notions that you were Mafia - but right now I have to work within the confines of the people I have to vote for.
Hey I apologize I'm in conferences all day but dipped into a stall to catch up. I'm on mobile so no bold, but can you elaborate on the things that implicated potent ? I'm trying to get a basis of reason for that and apologize if you've already explained it above in which case I'll take more time at lunch to explore these past few pages.
Rummy summarized most of it pretty nicely. In the first round of voting, potent said he wasn't suspicious of Rummy because she stacked, and said that he was suspicious of you because you stacked - used the same reasoning to move his "suspicions" in opposite directions, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. He said the difference was that he thought Rummy was new to the game - fair enough - but it still stood out in my mind.
Secondly, Potent switched off of me and onto you, which gave him the power to save you from a runoff - which he did. It's also worth noting that Jim immediately replaced potent's vote at this time - in essence, this allowed a vote to stay on me while you were able to be saved from a runoff should that need arise. Now, this could all be very innocuous and the connection-finding I'm doing could just be me grasping at straws (which after all is all one can do in the first round). However, Jim saying that he's "cleared" potent for this round is sketchy - and you NOT finding that sketchy is sketchy as well. That raises my eyebrows. But you and Jim aren't in the runoff, and potent is.
Now, based on votes and discussion, even though I'm most suspicious of you, potent, and Jim, I don't think all three of you are Mafia, only because I don't think all three of you would play poorly enough to let yourselves be found in the first round. So my ideas will change as the game goes on (obviously). I still think there's a least one quieter Mafia, but our quiet people aren't in the runoff. In focusing on the things that have been said and the votes that have been cast, potent seems like the best choice for me of the people who are in the runoff.
