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Make sure you book Eiffel tower tickets ahead of time if you want to go up. We were there in November 2019 and the crowd was huge there, to where it wasn't fun to be in the area.
Montmartre is probably my second favorite thing in Paris (after Museé d'Orsay). When I went as a high school junior, Sacre Cœur was the only thing we didn't do that I wanted to do. Our French teacher didn't want to take us there because we were "kids" and it was the "seedy" area. It's a breathtaking spot.
Arc de Triomphe is another personal favorite.
Lastly, I just love le Grand Arch de la Defense. It's on the bookend of the Champs and what that road is on the other side of the Arc. It's cool because at the southeastern end, you have all of the things throughout the last few hundred years in France - Place de la Bastille, Louvre, Place de la Concord, Arc, and then on the northwestern end the Grand Arch. The building is a giant window, which symbolizes the fact that you look back through your history, and then with that building, you look to the future (nevermind the graveyard on the other side 🫣). Also cool about it is that they built the inside of the window frame, had a giant mural painted on it, then built it out into offices, so you can never see the mural again. But if you go in the offices you see it in like 12 x 12 bits or whatever.
You and Capital Cincy are gonna make me go to Montmartre, aren’t you. I’m looking at walking tours now trying to figure out how to make this happen. God Damnit.
garageland I think most of the best things in Paris can be seen and appreciated in a day by just tightening up your walking shoes. Start in the 5th (Luxembourg Gardens, Pantheon) cross the Seine (walk a bit of it first) via the Ile de la Cite (Notre Dame, Sainte Chapelle) and then go west (Louvre, Tuileries, Concorde and eventually Champs Elysees and the Arc). Though to be honest, Champs isn't that special. It's a fancy street with fancy shops. It wouldn't be on the top of my list to suggest and it doesn't seem your style either unless getting to the Arc is super important to you. I know you said both of these were on your short list. I would probably do Latin Quarter, Ile, Louvre, Tuileries, and then continue along the Seine. So much can be seen/accessed from there. Les Invalides, Eiffel Tower, and even most of the bridges are gorgeous. I did an independent study on the bridges of Paris because I love them that much. If you don't have time to walk a lot of the Seine, try a boat tour like the Bateaux Mouches.
Every street is beautiful. Even the basic residential streets around there is gorgeous with the unique Haussmann architecture. When I was there, I would pop in my headphones with my first ever iPod, and just walk a random direction taking in the beautiful architecture. Hours later, I would hop on the metro and come home. It was one of my favorite things to do.
If you're there for a real short time, I wouldn't waste time by focusing on any one thing like going into a museum or up the Eiffel Tower unless of it's of importance to you. I definitely understand the need to check the box to say you've done something, too. If you do want to do a museum, I personally recommend d'Orsay like potentpotables suggested. I also recommend Sacre Coeur over the Eiffel Tower like Capital Cincy suggested if it's the views over checking the box that is important to you. It is further away from everything else though.
I lived in Paris for a year, but it was 2005-2006 so I can't speak much to lines and how to get things done nowadays. Happy to chat with you more about anything Parisian (as long as outdated information is fine!).
Dad Dog I realize I wrote most of this aimed towards GL one day trip, but happy to chat with you too if I can be helpful. I was a French major in college and Paris is my favorite city in the world. And a few more thoughts for you. If art is your thing, there are so many more museums than just the Louvre and d'Orsay, so think about your favorite art and check out others. Like there's a Musee Marmottan which is all Monet. But not just like lilys. It's sketches and pieces from all over his life and includes Impression, soleil levant which is where the term impressionism came from.
All of this probably gives you all insight of my priorities in City Survivor. History, beauty, and unique culture/views are way more important to me than many of the other factors that people bring up.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
All of this probably gives you all insight of my priorities in City Survivor. History, beauty, and unique culture/views are way more important to me than many of the other factors that people bring up.
So Mrs. GL and I are flying into Paris and only have a day to explore for now.
Our top sites are pretty obvious. - Louvre - Effiel Tower - wandering the Seine
Is this doable if we’re only spending a few hours in the Louvre? Is there any other “must-see’s”? I’m sad we’re not getting a lot of time but we will be back.
There’s this travel guy named Rick Steves (you may recognize him from PBS specials) and he has a free podcast app of walking tours. Download the Paris one, download the Louvre guide. My sister & I did the Louvre that way, which got us to the best points of the museum without getting lost or overwhelmed. Being a big art person I’m used to “museum brain” but most people (like my sister) start to zone out after wandering for a bit. It was a great way to get through the museum and not miss the big stuff, learn about art history surrounded the pieces on the tour, and leave feeling energized.
I also recommend you double check to make sure it’s open on the day you’re going!!
All of this probably gives you all insight of my priorities in City Survivor. History, beauty, and unique culture/views are way more important to me than many of the other factors that people bring up.
You should check out Cincinnati
I have. Kinda. I was there for a Jacket show, but didn't get the chance to walk around the city. Arriving at the airport, I asked my uber to drop me off somewhere cool to walk around (preferably on the Kentucky side since I had never been to KY before) and he dropped me off at Newport on the Levee It was a cool view, but I don't travel to visit the same chain restaurants that I can get here. That night, I asked our driver to bring us somewhere cool to get drinks before the show and he brought us to a strip mall type place with all chains... Two in a row fail. We didn't have a lot of time, so we just dealt with it. Then we went to the show and had to book it to Cleveland the next day for the next show. My favorite part of the trip (besides the show) is actually the uber from Newport to my hotel. He pointed out some cool gangster-related stuff as we passed through. I didn't know anything about that.
TLDR I technically have been but didn't get to experience it. I'd definitely go back and check it out.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
First and foremost, Bonzai nailed it. Listen to her.
The view from the top of the Arc de Triumph is incredible. I was told to go up there instead of going up the Eiffel Tower and though I don't know which one is better, I can tell you I feel like I got a stunning view of Paris. Plus the line is shorter and if you're on top of the Arc you get to see the Eiffel Tower in your view. When you're at the base of the Eiffel Tower you're just going to want to stare at it, not the rest of the city. Or do Sacre Couer like Bonzai says because that was rad too.
My single biggest tip for Paris would be to buy the Museum Pass. It's the cost of like 1.5 museum admissions and you get to skip the line everywhere. This would especially be useful for garageland if you're short on time. Although if I only had one day in Paris, I would go Musée d'Orsay like Potent recommended. The Lourve is just SO big and the crowds can be nuts. If you do go, really study the map before you go in. I got lost in there for like an hour.
Dad Dog Get the Museum Pass and go to Versailles. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. It was the highlight of my trip.
I loved the Sainte-Chapelle. It's small and very, very pretty so if the line is short you should pop in.
Finally, everyone says Parisians are rude and I didn't find that to be true. I think they're "rude" in the way New Yorkers are. They're at home and you're a tourist so don't stop walking in the middle of the sidewalk and don't treat locals like they're a guide at Disneyland and you'll be fine. Start conversations with "bonjour/bonsoir" and say "excusez moi" if you get in someone's way. If you approach a stranger hit em with, "Je suis désolé, parlez-vous anglais?" ("I'm sorry do you speak English?") and everyone will be perfectly pleasant (unless they're an asshole).
As weird as it sounds, if you're a Dan Brown fan, reread Da Vinci Code before you go. It's cool seeing places, or even just signs for, the places in the book. I actually read it for the first time while I lived there, and it added an extra layer of cool. I suppose you could watch it, too, but I don't remember how many places they list by name versus just are at? Might be the same, might not.
Welcome back Bonz, but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal.
As weird as it sounds, if you're a Dan Brown fan, reread Da Vinci Code before you go. It's cool seeing places, or even just signs for, the places in the book. I actually read it for the first time while I lived there, and it added an extra layer of cool. I suppose you could watch it, too, but I don't remember how many places they list by name versus just are at? Might be the same, might not.
Definitely agree with this. You can read that book in like two days too so it's not a heavy lift.
I was raised Catholic and did a whole Christian history class in Catholic school. Although I don't practice anymore it was SO FUN to walk around the city or look at some stained glass windows and be like, "Oh yea there it is! That's where the thing happened!"
I have. Kinda. I was there for a Jacket show, but didn't get the chance to walk around the city. Arriving at the airport, I asked my uber to drop me off somewhere cool to walk around (preferably on the Kentucky side since I had never been to KY before) and he dropped me off at Newport on the Levee It was a cool view, but I don't travel to visit the same chain restaurants that I can get here. That night, I asked our driver to bring us somewhere cool to get drinks before the show and he brought us to a strip mall type place with all chains... Two in a row fail. We didn't have a lot of time, so we just dealt with it. Then we went to the show and had to book it to Cleveland the next day for the next show. My favorite part of the trip (besides the show) is actually the uber from Newport to my hotel. He pointed out some cool gangster-related stuff as we passed through. I didn't know anything about that.
TLDR I technically have been but didn't get to experience it. I'd definitely go back and check it out.
Oof. Yeah Newport on the Levee is getting better but still pretty vanilla. Over-the-Rhine and Covington are the unmissable neighborhoods for the stuff you mentioned. OTR has more Italian style row houses than any other neighborhood I've been except areas of NYC. Lot's of interesting turn of the century history, as Cincinnati was set up to be the gateway to the west that Chicago turned out to be. Ping me if you're ever headed back!
garageland I think most of the best things in Paris can be seen and appreciated in a day by just tightening up your walking shoes. Start in the 5th (Luxembourg Gardens, Pantheon) cross the Seine (walk a bit of it first) via the Ile de la Cite (Notre Dame, Sainte Chapelle) and then go west (Louvre, Tuileries, Concorde and eventually Champs Elysees and the Arc). Though to be honest, Champs isn't that special. It's a fancy street with fancy shops. It wouldn't be on the top of my list to suggest and it doesn't seem your style either unless getting to the Arc is super important to you. I know you said both of these were on your short list. I would probably do Latin Quarter, Ile, Louvre, Tuileries, and then continue along the Seine. So much can be seen/accessed from there. Les Invalides, Eiffel Tower, and even most of the bridges are gorgeous. I did an independent study on the bridges of Paris because I love them that much. If you don't have time to walk a lot of the Seine, try a boat tour like the Bateaux Mouches.
Every street is beautiful. Even the basic residential streets around there is gorgeous with the unique Haussmann architecture. When I was there, I would pop in my headphones with my first ever iPod, and just walk a random direction taking in the beautiful architecture. Hours later, I would hop on the metro and come home. It was one of my favorite things to do.
If you're there for a real short time, I wouldn't waste time by focusing on any one thing like going into a museum or up the Eiffel Tower unless of it's of importance to you. I definitely understand the need to check the box to say you've done something, too. If you do want to do a museum, I personally recommend d'Orsay like potentpotables suggested. I also recommend Sacre Coeur over the Eiffel Tower like Capital Cincy suggested if it's the views over checking the box that is important to you. It is further away from everything else though.
I lived in Paris for a year, but it was 2005-2006 so I can't speak much to lines and how to get things done nowadays. Happy to chat with you more about anything Parisian (as long as outdated information is fine!).
Dad Dog I realize I wrote most of this aimed towards GL one day trip, but happy to chat with you too if I can be helpful. I was a French major in college and Paris is my favorite city in the world. And a few more thoughts for you. If art is your thing, there are so many more museums than just the Louvre and d'Orsay, so think about your favorite art and check out others. Like there's a Musee Marmottan which is all Monet. But not just like lilys. It's sketches and pieces from all over his life and includes Impression, soleil levant which is where the term impressionism came from.
All of this probably gives you all insight of my priorities in City Survivor. History, beauty, and unique culture/views are way more important to me than many of the other factors that people bring up.
Thank you so much for this. Truly incredible and greatly appreciated.
The trip is booked for November. Neither of us have any desire to go up the tower. As haters of lines, one huge one for the museum is enough.
Right now, this is what it looks like: Montmartre > Notre Dame (exterior) > Sacré Coeur Basilica > Île de la Cité > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter > Louvre Museum > Trocadéro Plaza > Eiffel Tower > Seine River > Arc de Triomphe
Good lord have mercy on our feet. Our plane lands at 6:30 am and we’re basically gonna use the hotel as a locker until we check in late. We both said we have 1 day and wanna make it count. There’s a train ride and the city we’re going to there isn’t much to see so we can relax then.
garageland I think most of the best things in Paris can be seen and appreciated in a day by just tightening up your walking shoes. Start in the 5th (Luxembourg Gardens, Pantheon) cross the Seine (walk a bit of it first) via the Ile de la Cite (Notre Dame, Sainte Chapelle) and then go west (Louvre, Tuileries, Concorde and eventually Champs Elysees and the Arc). Though to be honest, Champs isn't that special. It's a fancy street with fancy shops. It wouldn't be on the top of my list to suggest and it doesn't seem your style either unless getting to the Arc is super important to you. I know you said both of these were on your short list. I would probably do Latin Quarter, Ile, Louvre, Tuileries, and then continue along the Seine. So much can be seen/accessed from there. Les Invalides, Eiffel Tower, and even most of the bridges are gorgeous. I did an independent study on the bridges of Paris because I love them that much. If you don't have time to walk a lot of the Seine, try a boat tour like the Bateaux Mouches.
Every street is beautiful. Even the basic residential streets around there is gorgeous with the unique Haussmann architecture. When I was there, I would pop in my headphones with my first ever iPod, and just walk a random direction taking in the beautiful architecture. Hours later, I would hop on the metro and come home. It was one of my favorite things to do.
If you're there for a real short time, I wouldn't waste time by focusing on any one thing like going into a museum or up the Eiffel Tower unless of it's of importance to you. I definitely understand the need to check the box to say you've done something, too. If you do want to do a museum, I personally recommend d'Orsay like potentpotables suggested. I also recommend Sacre Coeur over the Eiffel Tower like Capital Cincy suggested if it's the views over checking the box that is important to you. It is further away from everything else though.
I lived in Paris for a year, but it was 2005-2006 so I can't speak much to lines and how to get things done nowadays. Happy to chat with you more about anything Parisian (as long as outdated information is fine!).
Dad Dog I realize I wrote most of this aimed towards GL one day trip, but happy to chat with you too if I can be helpful. I was a French major in college and Paris is my favorite city in the world. And a few more thoughts for you. If art is your thing, there are so many more museums than just the Louvre and d'Orsay, so think about your favorite art and check out others. Like there's a Musee Marmottan which is all Monet. But not just like lilys. It's sketches and pieces from all over his life and includes Impression, soleil levant which is where the term impressionism came from.
All of this probably gives you all insight of my priorities in City Survivor. History, beauty, and unique culture/views are way more important to me than many of the other factors that people bring up.
Right now, this is what it looks like: Montmartre > Notre Dame (exterior) > Sacré Coeur Basilica > Île de la Cité > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter > Louvre Museum > Trocadéro Plaza > Eiffel Tower > Seine River > Arc de Triomphe
Is this in order? Here's a possible order (not knowing where your hotel is):
Sunrise(ish) on the banks of the Seine > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter for coffee > Ile de la Cite > Notre Dame > Louvre > Montmartre/Sacre Couer > Arc de Triomphe > Trocadero > La Tour Eiffel
Right now, this is what it looks like: Montmartre > Notre Dame (exterior) > Sacré Coeur Basilica > Île de la Cité > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter > Louvre Museum > Trocadéro Plaza > Eiffel Tower > Seine River > Arc de Triomphe
Is this in order? Here's a possible order (not knowing where your hotel is):
Sunrise(ish) on the banks of the Seine > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter for coffee > Ile de la Cite > Notre Dame > Louvre > Montmartre/Sacre Couer > Arc de Triomphe > Trocadero > La Tour Eiffel
YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE “RIP MY FEET” PART
Seriously though, thank you. I should have looked at a map while doing this instead of from memory.
We haven’t booked the hotel yet as we’re not sure what we’re doing. I’m pushing for staying more towards the Norde so we can sleep an extra 15 minutes. She wants to stay closer to where we’re visiting.
Is this in order? Here's a possible order (not knowing where your hotel is):
Sunrise(ish) on the banks of the Seine > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter for coffee > Ile de la Cite > Notre Dame > Louvre > Montmartre/Sacre Couer > Arc de Triomphe > Trocadero > La Tour Eiffel
YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE “RIP MY FEET” PART
Seriously though, thank you. I should have looked at a map while doing this instead of from memory.
We haven’t booked the hotel yet as we’re not sure what we’re doing. I’m pushing for staying more towards the Norde so we can sleep an extra 15 minutes. She wants to stay closer to where we’re visiting.
Since you’re not going til November, start training now!! We used hiking boots (good for cold weather too) and I started doing hikes and long walks leading up to our Europe trip. We were still exhausted but we could make it through & never need a “recovery” day.
Is this in order? Here's a possible order (not knowing where your hotel is):
Sunrise(ish) on the banks of the Seine > La Conciergerie > Latin Quarter for coffee > Ile de la Cite > Notre Dame > Louvre > Montmartre/Sacre Couer > Arc de Triomphe > Trocadero > La Tour Eiffel
YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE “RIP MY FEET” PART
Seriously though, thank you. I should have looked at a map while doing this instead of from memory.
We haven’t booked the hotel yet as we’re not sure what we’re doing. I’m pushing for staying more towards the Norde so we can sleep an extra 15 minutes. She wants to stay closer to where we’re visiting.
Stay in the Latin Quarter! That would be ideal and you could sort of do a circle going either direction and end up with drinks at a jazz club in the LQ before melting into bed.
Seriously though, thank you. I should have looked at a map while doing this instead of from memory.
We haven’t booked the hotel yet as we’re not sure what we’re doing. I’m pushing for staying more towards the Norde so we can sleep an extra 15 minutes. She wants to stay closer to where we’re visiting.
Since you’re not going til November, start training now!! We used hiking boots (good for cold weather too) and I started doing hikes and long walks leading up to our Europe trip. We were still exhausted but we could make it through & never need a “recovery” day.
I’m an old man. Make no mistake about that. Now that it’s spring, I’ll be living on my bicycle and taking longer walks, I’m sure.
I can promise you that I’m the first person to look for an elevator though. Still trying to convince my wife to let me get a mobility chair to go from the first floor to the second in our house. She’s not buying into my bullshit though.
Post by 3post1jack1 on Apr 1, 2022 16:23:46 GMT -5
Travel timing question. My flight into LGA on Wed 4/20 got pushed from a 4pm arrival to a 5pm arrival. Phish show at MSG ticketed time is 7:30pm which means 8:00pm showtime. my hotel is a few blocks from MSG. i'll take a taxi from LGA to the hotel. I should still be good right, assuming the plane is on time? I'm thinking 5pm land, 30 minutes to grab bag and get a taxi, 1 hour max to hotel due to traffic, arrive hotel 6:30pm?
just trying to think what could mess me up here. long taxi line maybe? i've never had a long taxi line at LGA but i've heard they can happen. but even if i tack on another 30 minutes i'm still at the hotel at 7pm, drop bags 10 minute walk to the venue. if the taxi line could be an issue i could prebook a car service.
not worried about getting wook'd out of my seat since i'm chase bridge night 1.
Travel timing question. My flight into LGA on Wed 4/20 got pushed from a 4pm arrival to a 5pm arrival. Phish show at MSG ticketed time is 7:30pm which means 8:00pm showtime. my hotel is a few blocks from MSG. i'll take a taxi from LGA to the hotel. I should still be good right, assuming the plane is on time? I'm thinking 5pm land, 30 minutes to grab bag and get a taxi, 1 hour max to hotel due to traffic, arrive hotel 6:30pm?
just trying to think what could mess me up here. long taxi line maybe? i've never had a long taxi line at LGA but i've heard they can happen. but even if i tack on another 30 minutes i'm still at the hotel at 7pm, drop bags 10 minute walk to the venue. if the taxi line could be an issue i could prebook a car service.
not worried about getting wook'd out of my seat since i'm chase bridge night 1.
The LaGuardia taxi line since having new construction has been REALLY rough. There are car service pickup areas for Uber & lyft that have been marginally better but are still a pain. You’re coming in on weekend post-work traffic too, which is double rough. Would public transit be out of the question? You can take the Q70 select bus to the Roosevelt Ave stop (which is what everyone gets off at) and then take the E straight to 34th st and that’s right at Madison Sq garden. Or if you’re staying closer to Times Square you could take the 7 to Times Square & then walk down 7 blocks to the Garden.
Travel timing question. My flight into LGA on Wed 4/20 got pushed from a 4pm arrival to a 5pm arrival. Phish show at MSG ticketed time is 7:30pm which means 8:00pm showtime. my hotel is a few blocks from MSG. i'll take a taxi from LGA to the hotel. I should still be good right, assuming the plane is on time? I'm thinking 5pm land, 30 minutes to grab bag and get a taxi, 1 hour max to hotel due to traffic, arrive hotel 6:30pm?
just trying to think what could mess me up here. long taxi line maybe? i've never had a long taxi line at LGA but i've heard they can happen. but even if i tack on another 30 minutes i'm still at the hotel at 7pm, drop bags 10 minute walk to the venue. if the taxi line could be an issue i could prebook a car service.
not worried about getting wook'd out of my seat since i'm chase bridge night 1.
The LaGuardia taxi line since having new construction has been REALLY rough. There are car service pickup areas for Uber & lyft that have been marginally better but are still a pain. You’re coming in on weekend post-work traffic too, which is double rough. Would public transit be out of the question? You can take the Q70 select bus to the Roosevelt Ave stop (which is what everyone gets off at) and then take the E straight to 34th st and that’s right at Madison Sq garden. Or if you’re staying closer to Times Square you could take the 7 to Times Square & then walk down 7 blocks to the Garden.
Thanks, helpful stuff. Totally fine with doing public transit if it's easier. 4 day trip so I will have some luggage to lug around so that would suck but if it's more reliable than taxi I might go that route.
Seriously though, thank you. I should have looked at a map while doing this instead of from memory.
We haven’t booked the hotel yet as we’re not sure what we’re doing. I’m pushing for staying more towards the Norde so we can sleep an extra 15 minutes. She wants to stay closer to where we’re visiting.
Stay in the Latin Quarter! That would be ideal and you could sort of do a circle going either direction and end up with drinks at a jazz club in the LQ before melting into bed.
staying in Marais, was between LQ and that but saw a lot of good reviews about how Marais is more in "old" Paris, also where we are is super close to the Picasso museum and closer to the Bataclan which I'm going to go to one night
Need a place to get lunch in Louisville, Kentucky, we're like 30 minutes out
Merle's Whiskey Kitchen. Best fried chicken I've ever had.
Bummer. The only other place that stood out was something we found by accident just because everything around the Tool show was super packed. Go down the street right next to the Yum Center and there is an irish pub there that actually had really good food.
but I do not find it strange that your presence being requested in the Orgy thread and then you showing up, like it was the quacking Bonzai Bat Signal. 
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It was a cool view, but I don't travel to visit the same chain restaurants that I can get here. That night, I asked our driver to bring us somewhere cool to get drinks before the show and he brought us to a strip mall type place with all chains... Two in a row fail. We didn't have a lot of time, so we just dealt with it. Then we went to the show and had to book it to Cleveland the next day for the next show. My favorite part of the trip (besides the show) is actually the uber from Newport to my hotel. He pointed out some cool gangster-related stuff as we passed through. I didn't know anything about that.
It was a cool view, but I don't travel to visit the same chain restaurants that I can get here. That night, I asked our driver to bring us somewhere cool to get drinks before the show and he brought us to a strip mall type place with all chains... Two in a row fail. We didn't have a lot of time, so we just dealt with it. Then we went to the show and had to book it to Cleveland the next day for the next show. My favorite part of the trip (besides the show) is actually the uber from Newport to my hotel. He pointed out some cool gangster-related stuff as we passed through. I didn't know anything about that.
