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How long should I wait before giving up on a particular employer getting back to me?
Do you have a job offer on the table and are waiting on a possible second? Call that particular employer about a week after you expected to hear from them.
If there's no reason to not wait otherwise, wait essentially forever. A lot of organizations have dense processes that take a lot longer than the person hiring wants or expects. They also have other responsibilities and sometimes hiring falls to the back burner.
So the answer to your question really depends on the circumstances.
Post by trantsgiving on Jul 24, 2019 9:42:39 GMT -5
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
I’d say no, but I work for the federal government, so I guess that would make me kind of a hypocrite.
I don’t really know anything about working in politics. Could working for Kemp’s office harm your chances later of getting into jobs that are on the side of things you want to be on?
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
I’d say no, but I work for the federal government, so I guess that would make me kind of a hypocrite.
I don’t really know anything about working in politics. Could working for Kemp’s office harm your chances later of getting into jobs that are on the side of things you want to be on?
I would probably wouldn’t list as working for his office since it’s so big. I’d probably just put “Governors Office” at most or something like “Georgia Capitol Constituent Management Intern”.
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
id say go for it, don't put all your eggs into this basket though. a less than ideal internship is still better than nothing. what you would have to decide, if you get to pick between offers, is how important are your morals? ie do you think a really good internship with kemp is better/worse than something worse but morally tolerable?
Fucking morals. I would do it for the needed internship. But if they ask you to do anything that goes against your moral code, state it and/or leave if necessary.
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
ASU has a program for interning at the capitol for legislators/the governors office. The director of the program basically explained to me that a big part of the hiring/selection process is choosing people who don't have any sort of political agenda, and who keep their head down and work hard; i.e. drones. The interns are basically gophers who do the shizty paper pushing work that no one wants to do, and there are enough candidates that they can be pretty selective about finding that "fit." YMMV, but just my experience in AZ. Maybe instead volunteer with a local campaign or look for research groups on campus that may interest you. For example, I worked with a science policy research group and did advocacy through AAAS. (Granted, I'm a scientist not a poli-sci major...) Your interests may be better served going that sort route.
Entering my junior year as a poli sci Major, I need to get some internships. I have a connection to someone who works at the state capitol in Atlanta who can put in a good word for me in a really competitive program. It would be an obvious no brainer but it’s for Brian Kemp’s office. It’s really only basic intern work but I really don’t want to associate in any way with that administration.
However beggars can’t be choosers and if this is the foot in the door I need to do good work in the future, it’s worth it right?
This is more of a moral question, but should I temporarily work for an office I’m very against to put myself in a position to do what I love in the future?
ASU has a program for interning at the capitol for legislators/the governors office. The director of the program basically explained to me that a big part of the hiring/selection process is choosing people who don't have any sort of political agenda, and who keep their head down and work hard; i.e. drones. The interns are basically gophers who do the shizty paper pushing work that no one wants to do, and there are enough candidates that they can be pretty selective about finding that "fit." YMMV, but just my experience in AZ. Maybe instead volunteer with a local campaign or look for research groups on campus that may interest you. For example, I worked with a science policy research group and did advocacy through AAAS. (Granted, I'm a scientist not a poli-sci major...) Your interests may be better served going that sort route.
I fully expect to do gopher work and they shouldn’t ask me to do anything important enough to where I would break codes. That being said, part of the job would be answering constituent calls and complaints where I would essentially have to defend Kemp policies.
I will volunteer this semester for campaign and maybe somewhere else but I need something with higher up connections and a more impressive resume centerpiece.
Interviewing today for an Assistant Store Manager position at a different store in our company, which would be a promotion with a substantial raise. I'm a little nervous because I told the GM I'm interviewing with that I'd need to stop home first to get changed and whatnot, but he told me to just come straight from work and that he "totally gets" that I work in a cafe and won't be at my most presentable. His words were "See you tomorrow...clean or dirty". I'm worried I'd be underselling myself if show up in anything less than slacks/button-down/tie, so I think I'm just gonna leave early and change anyway. I feel like I can't go wrong with looking more professional, and if he mentions is I can just say some shit about understanding the value of first impressions.
I still don't want to work in retail for the rest of my life, but this job could get me out of the food service aspect of it and the pay would make it waaaay more palatable, so I'll take any vibes/prayers/crossed fingers you guys've got.
Interviewing today for an Assistant Store Manager position at a different store in our company, which would be a promotion with a substantial raise. I'm a little nervous because I told the GM I'm interviewing with that I'd need to stop home first to get changed and whatnot, but he told me to just come straight from work and that he "totally gets" that I work in a cafe and won't be at my most presentable. His words were "See you tomorrow...clean or dirty". I'm worried I'd be underselling myself if show up in anything less than slacks/button-down/tie, so I think I'm just gonna leave early and change anyway. I feel like I can't go wrong with looking more professional, and if he mentions is I can just say some shit about understanding the value of first impressions.
I still don't want to work in retail for the rest of my life, but this job could get me out of the food service aspect of it and the pay would make it waaaay more palatable, so I'll take any vibes/prayers/crossed fingers you guys've got.
Why don’t you just bring a change of clothes with you and change in the bathroom quickly before you leave
Interviewing today for an Assistant Store Manager position at a different store in our company, which would be a promotion with a substantial raise. I'm a little nervous because I told the GM I'm interviewing with that I'd need to stop home first to get changed and whatnot, but he told me to just come straight from work and that he "totally gets" that I work in a cafe and won't be at my most presentable. His words were "See you tomorrow...clean or dirty". I'm worried I'd be underselling myself if show up in anything less than slacks/button-down/tie, so I think I'm just gonna leave early and change anyway. I feel like I can't go wrong with looking more professional, and if he mentions is I can just say some shit about understanding the value of first impressions.
I still don't want to work in retail for the rest of my life, but this job could get me out of the food service aspect of it and the pay would make it waaaay more palatable, so I'll take any vibes/prayers/crossed fingers you guys've got.
Why don’t you just bring a change of clothes with you and change in the bathroom quickly before you leave
WhY dOn'T yOu JuSt BrInG a ChAnGe Of ClOtHeS wItH yOu?
Didn't get the job. The interview went well and I like their GM but I agree with him that my background and experience isn't the right fit for what they're looking for. I was more or less offered to do the same thing I'm doing now but the pay bump would be minimal and the workload would be substantial. I'm bummed because this is the first interview I've had over the past year of applying for jobs, but it just means that I'm gonna manifest some dope shit instead.
Didn't get the job. The interview went well and I like their GM but I agree with him that my background and experience isn't the right fit for what they're looking for. I was more or less offered to do the same thing I'm doing now but the pay bump would be minimal and the workload would be substantial. I'm bummed because this is the first interview I've had over the past year of applying for jobs, but it just means that I'm gonna manifest some dope shit instead.
That sucks, I'm sorry. Hopefully you find something more suited to you soon!
How do handle putting your location on a resume if you're willing to relocate?
I’ve always just listed my address as it is and assumed that they’ll know I’m willing to relocate if I’m applying for a job that’s not where I live. It’s seemed to work so far as I’ve moved from Tennessee to Atlanta to Nevada and back to Georgia all because I’ve gotten jobs in the new places.
Post by trantsgiving on Aug 21, 2019 11:00:58 GMT -5
Applied for the Kemp internship next semester but I need something this semester. I have an interview with a political consulting firm tomorrow. Went to their facebook and saw a bunch of shitty boomer memes. This is kind of my fault for being a poli sci major in Athens, GA.
Applied for the Kemp internship next semester but I need something this semester. I have an interview with a political consulting firm tomorrow. Went to their facebook and saw a bunch of shitty boomer memes. This is kind of my fault for being a poli sci major in Athens, GA.
if you need help dressing like a republican let me know.
Applied for the Kemp internship next semester but I need something this semester. I have an interview with a political consulting firm tomorrow. Went to their facebook and saw a bunch of shitty boomer memes. This is kind of my fault for being a poli sci major in Athens, GA.
if you need help dressing like a republican let me know.
I tried on a red plaid dress shirt at Goodwill yesterday and felt disgusted.
Applied for the Kemp internship next semester but I need something this semester. I have an interview with a political consulting firm tomorrow. Went to their facebook and saw a bunch of shitty boomer memes. This is kind of my fault for being a poli sci major in Athens, GA.
if you need help dressing like a republican let me know.
Applied for the Kemp internship next semester but I need something this semester. I have an interview with a political consulting firm tomorrow. Went to their facebook and saw a bunch of shitty boomer memes. This is kind of my fault for being a poli sci major in Athens, GA.
if you need help dressing like a republican let me know.
Just wear your Shaky Knees red flag outfit. They will love it. Don't forget the socks.
Joinin’ the thread. First week back in school in seven years. Third real go with post high school education.
First class: intro to programmin’ and web development - UGH.
Second class: survey of operatin’ systems - could actually be kinda cool.
Good luck! It’s hard to get back in the swing of things, but just gotta make the time and keep it up!
Thankfully my restaurant/bar schedule is all day shift at this point, so that helped to cement my decision to go back. Also I don’t even care to see the regulars I like anymore. My attitude at work is takin’ a downturn, especially as I’ve decided to do school and move on. So that’s my big motivation right now. My fantasy fer my last week of work would be to tell off ever fuckin’ asshole and why I think they are disgustin’ and awful human bein’s (these would not be the regulars I like...only the regulars I absolutely loathe). Also I just need a change or career at this point. We wanna start workin’ on a family and a “future” sooner than later.
Post by actually @fortyfive33 now on Oct 5, 2019 21:36:22 GMT -5
So I'm looking at places to live in case I get this Stamford gig. I'm not gonna live in Stamford or NYC. I simply don't have the money. I'm looking at New Haven and just commuting in on the Metro-North everyday, but I'm also looking at Springfield. Springfield would be a bit of a stretch though because it'd be a three-hour one-way commute and trains don't necessarily run as late into the night as I might need them to.
So I'm looking at places to live in case I get this Stamford gig. I'm not gonna live in Stamford or NYC. I simply don't have the money. I'm looking at New Haven and just commuting in on the Metro-North everyday, but I'm also looking at Springfield. Springfield would be a bit of a stretch though because it'd be a three-hour one-way commute and trains don't necessarily run as late into the night as I might need them to.
What tf do I do if I get this job
Definitely don't consider Springfield.
A friend of mine was teaching in Stamford for a year, and told me most of his co-workers were commuting from either Danbury or from Milford/West Haven/New Haven way. If it's not in 203 or 914, I wouldn't consider it.
So I did something pretty wild about 20 minutes ago and asked for a 25% raise from my boss. I didn't get laughed out of the room, but she did say it would be a miracle for her to be able to make it happen. Would like to get someone's opinion on this story. Was I dumb for shooting this high? Going to spoiler all of this personal information. I don't care if people know exactly what I make, but using the spoiler feels appropriate for some reason. Here is the full context.
In January 2016, I accepted an unpaid corporate partnerships internship with the Jacksonville Jaguars after graduating with two Masters Degrees from UCF (MBA and Masters in Sports Business Management).
Upon completion of the internship, I was able to convince the powers that be to create a new Account Coordinator position for me within the Corporate Partnerships department. This was pretty unheard of at the time, but I laid out an extremely compelling case. Throughout my internship, I consistently found ways to add new positive wrinkles to the department. I introduced analytics to our year-end recaps, taught myself photoshop so I could back up our one, overworked designer, created a partner survey that proved helpful information, etc. This pitch that I gave my bosses to create this new position is one of my proudest moments. All of this epicness resulted in a $10.00/hour job (plus as much OT as I wanted) that I was happy with. The organization provides us with substantial perks such as free breakfast, lunch, Ubers... I was able to scrape by.
After a year, I was able to convince my boss to get me from $10 to $12.50. The trend of me finding new ways to add value during my internship continued once I was a coordinator, and I was able to lay out another strong case.
Two months later, I got lucky. In the heat of the busiest time of the year, one of the Partnership Sales Reps quit. One of the Account Managers (activation of partnerships, next vertical move for me), had desires of moving to the sales side. Since we were in busy season, we knew that our department needed that sales role filled quickly. We came together to devise a pitch to our bosses. The Account Manager moves over to Sales, and I, the Account Coordinator, can move up to take over the Account Manager's duties. It was a gamble for them to trust me to take on an Account Manager role as green as I was, but they did. They accepted our plan, and I was given a $40,000 salary. I took on the largest book of business of all 5 Account Managers, and to sweeten the deal for my bosses, I told them I would continue to do everything I was doing as an Account Coordinator so they didn't need to back fill that role.
I am now flourishing in the Account Manager role in my second season. The $40,000 salary that I make was a massive raise at the time, and I couldn't be more grateful for all of the trust my boss has had in me. However, the four other Account Managers make between 50-55. Two of those Managers have been working here for a couple months and have maybe 75% the responsibility that I have. My boss is budgeting for next year now, and I thought it was in bounds for me to ask to be paid $50,000 after April. Just so whoever is reading this knows, I went in with total respect and recalled all of the times she took a chance on me and how much I've appreciated her for that. But when it got down to the theme of my pitch, I was basically saying that I want to be compensated the way that she would compensate someone if she replaced me (didn't speak so bluntly). And I said, If I can't be valued at 50k in April, I would like to know what I can do / how I can improve to get there in the future.
After a lot of pleasantries, she basically said 50 is a pipe dream. 25% just can't happen, but she will put my best foot forward in trying to make it happen. She threw around numbers that might be more possible, like 5%... $42,000. Even 10% would be $44,000. Mayyyybe that is the best case scenario.
I made sure to remind her that I'm not asking out of a lack of appreciation, but I wanted to know, in hindsight, if there was any way for me to be paid the way they pay people who are hired from the outside.Could I have negotiated when they gave me the bump to 40 a year and a half ago? She said no, there wasn't. She said it is the sad reality that staying with one team in this industry results in a lower pay. She has been with the team for 10+ years and has been promoted from Intern to Vice President of Partnership Activations during that time, but her pay is nowhere near the pay of other Vice Presidents who came to the team from somewhere else.
I'm not extremely bummed out. I'm not looking to jump ship, but I do plan to sharpen my resume and keep an eye out. I love my boss - she has basically allowed my career to take shape and is great to work for. This job has basically been a dream come true. I can call out almost as much as I want. I'm making 55k per year after bonuses (15k standard across the Account Managers if we hit two goals) which is more than enough for me to be self sufficient. But I'm disappointed in this "sad reality." Wouldn't you want to encourage people to stay with the organization? This reality encourages the exact opposite.
Even though my personal situation is great and I love my job, I thought I saw a logical route to an even better situation. Did I get greedy based on all they have done for me in the past? Was I reasonable in my request, but you understand why they declined? Or was I reasonable and you think that it is unfair that I will continue to be paid 15k less than people doing the same job as me? If anyone was willing to read all of that, I appreciate any feedback you might have.
I don't think you were being unreasonable at all. I am in a similar position myself, where I am going to be asking for a similar raise/promotion soon (our year-end evaluations were in October). From what I have gathered from reading online and talking to friends/mentors, the general strategy these days to improve your pay are to switch companies, rather than move vertically, because of situations like yours. It seems like total bullshiz, but that really seems to be the norm these days. You basically have extra responsibilities that were grandfathered into your personal position that similar colleagues don't have, but they get paid more because they came in at a higher level on the pay scale. Personally, I would have included relinquishing some of those additional responsibilities if they couldn't meet my salary demands. It kinda sucks, but you gotta look out for yourself because your boss ultimately probably doesn't when it comes to the bottom line. And if the experience of your boss, who has been there a decade and is underpaid compared to her peers, I would say that doesn't necessarily bode well for you long-term.
1 year later. Got what I was asking for (above) a month ago and a promotion to the sales side last week which, if I do well, could get me into the 6 figures... which is a mark I never thought I’d reach in life. Not that I really care about money, but it’s nice to be respected / valued at work.
Quoted you here because it sounded like we were in a similar position last year. I used an even more aggressive strategy this time around. Not sure where you are at now or if this would apply to you at all anymore.
I walked into my boss’ office, closed the door behind me and said, “What do I need to do to get paid the amount it would cost you to replace me? If you’d like, I can come back in here two weeks from now and tell you (put on silly emotional voice), ‘I’ve really appreciated everything the Jags have done for me. Its been the best experience of my life, but I have another offer at xyz team for 60k.’ This isn’t a threat. I’m not even looking for jobs right now and I don’t want to. I love it here, but I’m genuinely asking you if that’s what I need to do for you guys to match the salary I want. Or do I have to leave this company to get paid what every other Account Manager across the league makes?”
My boss was filled with urgency and got it done. Boom!
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