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Just to further emphasize this: You can totally fuck yourself forever if you don't come into a company receiving the highest end of what they can offer. I believe it was JKT and I pissing and moaning about the fake rules HR / Finance will hit you with all throughout your progression up the ladder. Your jump into a company is actually when you have the most leverage and you don't have to threaten to shake up your entire life to get a fair raise or promotion.
But yeah IDK Slack is closing in on a job or just filling out an application.
I'm just filling applications out.
It's in radio, so am I justified in saying I have work experience if I worked at student radio and NPR affiliate stations?
You should see some of the shit I stretch as “work experience”.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 26, 2019 13:47:09 GMT -5
I just asked the following question to an intern applicant: How many gas stations are in the United States?
I haven’t asked this question much because it seems kind of goofy and pointless, but someone I know recommended it just to see how the candidate thinks. I let this person today think about it for a minute, and she answered 500.
So this goofy question basically eliminated a candidate for me.
I just asked the following question to an intern applicant: How many gas stations are in the United States?
I haven’t asked this question much because it seems kind of goofy and pointless, but someone I know recommended it just to see how the candidate thinks. I let this person today think about it for a minute, and she answered 500.
So this goofy question basically eliminated a candidate for me.
10 per fucking state!
That's kind of hysterical. But also a silly reason to eliminate someone. But I also understand how that shows a lack of logical thinking... but in interviews we're often not thinking totally clearly bc of nerves.
I just asked the following question to an intern applicant: How many gas stations are in the United States?
I haven’t asked this question much because it seems kind of goofy and pointless, but someone I know recommended it just to see how the candidate thinks. I let this person today think about it for a minute, and she answered 500.
So this goofy question basically eliminated a candidate for me.
10 per fucking state!
That's kind of hysterical. But also a silly reason to eliminate someone. But I also understand how that shows a lack of logical thinking... but in interviews we're often not thinking totally clearly bc of nerves.
Idk. I have conflicting thoughts on this. haha.
lol it didn’t truly eliminate her, but it put a stench on the rest of the interview. I asked her how she got to 500 to which she responded “well it just seems like there is a gas station on every corner these days” so she actually thought she was shooting high.
The field I’m in requires a lot of on-the-fly decision making and strategic thinking. She also generally had uninteresting answers, poor energy, lack of qualifications, was a referral / have-to-call... couple all of that with the fact that I interviewed 5-7 extremely impressive candidates.
So yeah she wouldn’t have got the position regardless, but that answer was extremely noteworthy to me. I mean seriously? I can’t get over 500 still.
I just asked the following question to an intern applicant: How many gas stations are in the United States?
I haven’t asked this question much because it seems kind of goofy and pointless, but someone I know recommended it just to see how the candidate thinks. I let this person today think about it for a minute, and she answered 500.
So this goofy question basically eliminated a candidate for me.
10 per fucking state!
I've been asked this question in an interview before. I just said I would google it.
My dad used to tell me how Henry Ford, before he would hire an executive/manager for his company, would invite them to dinner. If they didn’t taste their steak before salting it, he wouldn’t hire them.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 27, 2019 11:06:23 GMT -5
I used this question a couple more times. I got some high answers that were much further off like 2.5 million that still felt more palatable than 500.
1 girl was like “well there are 340 million people in the US. I think it makes sense to have around one gas station per 340 people, so Ill go with around a million.”
Another guy tried to estimate how many Exits off interstates there are in America then multiply that number by an average number of gas stations per exit.
Both of those people were further off than the 500 guess in the high direction, but I had an appreciation for their thought processes on the spot. This question didn’t really benefit or hurt any of the other applicants.
I just don’t understand how someone could land on 500 without realizing that would be an average of 10 per state.
My dad used to tell me how Henry Ford, before he would hire an executive/manager for his company, would invite them to dinner. If they didn’t taste their steak before salting it, he wouldn’t hire them.
This could be BS, but I found it very interesting
I’ve heard the same story, but not about Henry Ford, just about a random business person.
My dad used to tell me how Henry Ford, before he would hire an executive/manager for his company, would invite them to dinner. If they didn’t taste their steak before salting it, he wouldn’t hire them.
I used this question a couple more times. I got some high answers that were much further off like 2.5 million that still felt more palatable than 500.
1 girl was like “well there are 340 million people in the US. I think it makes sense to have around one gas station per 340 people, so Ill go with around a million.”
Another guy tried to estimate how many Exits off interstates there are in America then multiply that number by an average number of gas stations per exit.
Both of those people were further off than the 500 guess in the high direction, but I had an appreciation for their thought processes on the spot. This question didn’t really benefit or hurt any of the other applicants.
I just don’t understand how someone could land on 500 without realizing that would be an average of 10 per state.
Honestly, I’m really bad at math so I wouldn’t have even approached this as a math equation. I probably would’ve panicked and said 1million and when you asked how I came up with that I would’ve just said “it sounds like a lot”.
Post by trantsgiving on Apr 29, 2019 11:52:11 GMT -5
My original guess was 500k and that was just a guess. There's really no way I could even begin to try and put any logic behind it since there are so many variables that I wouldn't even consider. I could probably think of like 20 in my hometown alone but then there are also stretches of land with no gas stations within reasonable walking distance. It's a good interview question imo and better than most of the cheesy fluff I've been asked that just seem like traps.
About 2 weeks ago my boss (and friend) told me she was quitting (told me as a friend, not boss), but didn’t tell anyone else in the office outside of management. I suspected that this may result in a promotion for me, but it was more or less unconfirmed.
Today our CEO finally told the office that she was leaving and then privately told me that this “opens a good opportunity for me, if I want it.”
So I guess I’m getting promoted. Mixed feelings, but overall it’s a yay!
My main point of apprehension from full excitement is that I work on a small team (the whole company is 14 people including the 4 person DEV team) & there are only 2 campaign coordinators - me and my friend, who started about a month before me. We do the same job and work very closely with each other. But over the past year I’ve “naturally taken on a more leadership role between the two of us”, and thus me getting promoted and not her.
I’m nervous she’s going to resent me. Luckily, the structure in our office is quite linear so I won’t be her “boss” boss, but I will kinda be over her. I’ll have a new job title and I’m getting a raise. So I have no idea how to approach this. I’ve been a manager before, but the whole thing was handled a little differently and never with someone who was more or less my equal at the start.
Anyways. Just needed to get this off my chest and see what advice y’all have for me.
Edit: also, my CEO did say that they’re viewing this as more of a “team leader” role as to avoid using the word “manager”, but then kept using the word “manage”. She also said they’re going to do this in more of phases process in terms of handing over responsibility. So I’m taking on more work but not totally stepping out of my current role. No idea what that means I should ask for in terms of new salary and job title. Currently I’m a “campaign coordinator” and the girl leaving is a “senior marketing manager”. No idea what she gets paid. She told me (again, casually as a friend when discussing this) to ask for $10k more than what I make.
I’m nervous she’s going to resent me. Luckily, the structure in our office is quite linear so I won’t be her “boss” boss, but I will kinda be over her. I’ll have a new job title and I’m getting a raise. So I have no idea how to approach this. I’ve been a manager before, but the whole thing was handled a little differently and never with someone who was more or less my equal at the start.
Anyways. Just needed to get this off my chest and see what advice y’all have for me.
Been there. She very well may resent you at first, but how you navigate that will make all the difference. When delegating, ask, don't demand; ask for feedback on how you're doing or on projects - and use her suggestions. Just try to keep things smooth.
Edit: also, my CEO did say that they’re viewing this as more of a “team leader” role as to avoid using the word “manager”, but then kept using the word “manage”. She also said they’re going to do this in more of phases process in terms of handing over responsibility. So I’m taking on more work but not totally stepping out of my current role. No idea what that means I should ask for in terms of new salary and job title. Currently I’m a “campaign coordinator” and the girl leaving is a “senior marketing manager”. No idea what she gets paid. She told me (again, casually as a friend when discussing this) to ask for $10k more than what I make.
Orange flag, depending on how much of a raise they're giving you. You want a title that is going to propel your career forward. When I was sixteen working at the movie theater I was a "team leader". If I were you I'd rather keep the title of campaign coordinator and just take the raise (if team leader is your only other option) - IMHO "team leader" won't be very persuasive on future resumes. But I think you're right to be wary of them wanting to give you manager responsibilities without a manager title or salary.
Edit: also, my CEO did say that they’re viewing this as more of a “team leader” role as to avoid using the word “manager”, but then kept using the word “manage”. She also said they’re going to do this in more of phases process in terms of handing over responsibility. So I’m taking on more work but not totally stepping out of my current role. No idea what that means I should ask for in terms of new salary and job title. Currently I’m a “campaign coordinator” and the girl leaving is a “senior marketing manager”. No idea what she gets paid. She told me (again, casually as a friend when discussing this) to ask for $10k more than what I make.
Orange flag, depending on how much of a raise they're giving you. You want a title that is going to propel your career forward. When I was sixteen working at the movie theater I was a "team leader". If I were you I'd rather keep the title of campaign coordinator and just take the raise (if team leader is your only other option) - IMHO "team leader" won't be very persuasive on future resumes. But I think you're right to be wary of them wanting to give you manager responsibilities without a manager title or salary.
After talking to my friend/boss today it sounds like they’re basically letting me decide what direction I want to go & I’ll get to pick my own title. Depending on how much extra work I choose to take on will prob determine what my salary will be. Prob going to just pick a generic title like marketing executive though for exactly the reason you mentioned. Luckily it seems I’ll be in control of that.
Orange flag, depending on how much of a raise they're giving you. You want a title that is going to propel your career forward. When I was sixteen working at the movie theater I was a "team leader". If I were you I'd rather keep the title of campaign coordinator and just take the raise (if team leader is your only other option) - IMHO "team leader" won't be very persuasive on future resumes. But I think you're right to be wary of them wanting to give you manager responsibilities without a manager title or salary.
After talking to my friend/boss today it sounds like they’re basically letting me decide what direction I want to go & I’ll get to pick my own title. Depending on how much extra work I choose to take on will prob determine what my salary will be. Prob going to just pick a generic title like marketing executive though for exactly the reason you mentioned. Luckily it seems I’ll be in control of that.
Post by JustKillingTime on May 20, 2019 13:02:40 GMT -5
update on my long ass post from earlier regarding frustration with my current position; I just accepted an offer/promotion in another dept. Doing more interesting work and a very sizable raise. very happy with how things turned out.
Post by potentpotables on May 21, 2019 9:57:03 GMT -5
I interviewed with an org. in Philly last year, originally my contact there told me I didn't get the job for a bullshit reason (I wore cufflinks!). Two weeks ago I went to a conference, saw another contact who told me that my other contact was fired 9 months ago and being referred by her is the reason I didn't get the job (internal political bullshit).
Fast forward to yesterday, where I got a call from them recruiting me for another position...interesting!
being referred by her is the reason I didn't get the job (internal political bullshit).
I've never heard of this being a real reason someone didn't get hired. That's nuts.
Basically, she got a job internally on an interim basis, and started "taking over" the organization. She had like 4 hires right out of the gate that she recommended, and then some longer term people in the org started viewing her warily, thinking she was getting too much power too quickly. I was the first person she sought to hire after that shift happened. Supposedly - this is all conjecture. It makes me feel better than the cufflinks story. I just wore the cufflinks because wifey got them for my birthday! And they are cufflinks branded by my English soccer club!
You best believe I'm wearing the shit outta those cufflinks if I get another crack at it.
Post by actually @fortyfive33 now on May 26, 2019 17:27:27 GMT -5
So I got a part-time job. Yay me!
It's 20 hours a week, sort of a come-in-on-your-time type deal.
How should I split it up? 4 hours a day, 5 days a week? 5 hours a day, 4 days a week and take a long weekend? 8 hours two days, 4 hours the next and take an even longer weekend?
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It's 20 hours a week, sort of a come-in-on-your-time type deal.
How should I split it up? 4 hours a day, 5 days a week? 5 hours a day, 4 days a week and take a long weekend? 8 hours two days, 4 hours the next and take an even longer weekend?
It's 20 hours a week, sort of a come-in-on-your-time type deal.
How should I split it up? 4 hours a day, 5 days a week? 5 hours a day, 4 days a week and take a long weekend? 8 hours two days, 4 hours the next and take an even longer weekend?
I’d do 5 hours a day 4 days a week. 3 day weekends are the absolute best.
Post by Jake Jortles on May 28, 2019 8:38:40 GMT -5
actually @fortyfive33 now would being out of the office for 3 weekdays put you at a disadvantage? I'd seriously consider two 10 hour days. Shit would be fucking awesome. But if it would decrease your social ability at an office or you need to be there a little more throughout the week for other reasons, then you obviously shouldn't do that.
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