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I applied for a job about a month ago, had two interviews, and they offered me the position a few days ago. I ended up declining because it paid less than what I make now.
Was at least nice to know someone out there wanted to bring me in
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
Biggest thing to keep in mind is being that you're over 4 months away from graduating, a lot of bushinesses will not be interested at this point. Stay on top of the companies that are (you mentioned a few have brought up Talent Acquisition). If that is a position you like to pursue, try to get something set-up before you graduate. Took me 7-8 months to land a position after I left school, and I had a master's degree.
Don't get to down about the debt (I assuming you're referring to your student loans?), we all have it these days. You will pay it off over time...and, be sure to enjoy your last semester!
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
Biggest thing to keep in mind is being that you're over 4 months away from graduating, a lot of bushinesses will not be interested at this point. Stay on top of the companies that are (you mentioned a few have brought up Talent Acquisition). If that is a position you like to pursue, try to get something set-up before you graduate. Took me 7-8 months to land a position after I left school, and I had a master's degree.
Don't get to down about the debt (I assuming you're referring to your student loans?), we all have it these days. You will pay it off over time...and, be sure to enjoy your last semester!
It's not the debt I'm worried about. I'm a bit more in the "OMG I can't believe I'm graduating" phase and I'm a little worried. Yeah, I'm hoping I can finish talks with one of these companies as the semester progresses. Everyone wanted to put talks on hold until I was close to graduating. Thank you so much , thepeppers!
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
Congrats! I may be wrong on this.. but I think student loan companies give you six months after graduation before you have to start paying the loan. Most will break it off into small payments, too, so that it won't be a huge burdon (more of an annoyance). I recommend to pay more than what is due each month, of course, to pay it off early... if possible. Good luck on the job hunt!
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
are you more concerned about finding a job at all, finding the right career, or money?
So I'm graduating in December (yay!). Bachelor's in Sociology. I've been talking to a couple different companies about coming in as a Talent Acquisition person. I've been looking at some certificates in different fields (social media, communications, psych, leadership, etc.). My debt is pretty decent. Right now I'm only 18k in the hole. Feeling very frustrated and just wish I knew what to do.
Any advice? I'm sure I'm not the only one whose been in this position. Please and thanks!
are you more concerned about finding a job at all, finding the right career, or money?
I think for me it's mostly about getting a decent entry level job without having to wait too long.
are you more concerned about finding a job at all, finding the right career, or money?
I think for me it's mostly about getting a decent entry level job without having to wait too long.
ahh gotcha. agreed with what other people have said - it's far too early to start the job hunt/expect to get any offers for a majority of companies. most probably have no idea if they can hire in december right now.
my advice for what you can do right now would be to research a handful of places you have a lot of interest in and start networking. grab coffee or happy hour with the talent/hiring managers, meet people that hold roles in a department/company you're interested in, etc. right now it's just about getting face time so they might think of you when they or someone else they know are hiring.
I think for me it's mostly about getting a decent entry level job without having to wait too long.
ahh gotcha. agreed with what other people have said - it's far too early to start the job hunt/expect to get any offers for a majority of companies. most probably have no idea if they can hire in december right now.
my advice for what you can do right now would be to research a handful of places you have a lot of interest in and start networking. grab coffee or happy hour with the talent/hiring managers, meet people that hold roles in a department/company you're interested in, etc. right now it's just about getting face time so they might think of you when they or someone else they know are hiring.
My appointment with Social Security went well and I got accepted into my interest area for my major.
With this comes the likelihood that I complete an internship next summer for school. Mizzou has basically said that I need to give them a list of locations where I want to go and they'll try to make something out of it.
I'm weary of doing it in CoMo or Chicago, so my family and I have started talking about where I want to do it. We have a preliminary list of locations that we're thinking of.
My question is this: how do I look for a good sublet over the summer?
I'm very strongly considering changing my career path to IT. I went to a trade school for high school where I studied computer science (web development), but afterwards I decided I didn't want to sit in front of a screen all day so in college I double majored in Philosophy and Psychology. Because, you know, marijuana. But now that I'm seven years removed from college and have spent it all in retail, I need a change. I've considered going for a Master's or PhD in Psych, but frankly I've decided that 80K of debt is enough. And I like computers enough that I think I could excel in the IT field. I'm just not sure of what direction I want to go in.
I know we have some on here in the field (JR I'm pretty sure you are) and ZIG don't you do data analysis or something similar. I'm just trying to get a feel for what direction I want to go in and what certs I want to get to help me get my foot in the door since I haven't had any real world experience yet. As of yet I'm not sure exactly where I want to end up. Any words of advice or just random things people want to word vomit about the field would be very welcome.
Edit: As of right now I'm pretty sure I don't want to do a lot (if any) coding; I know to some extent it's inevitable and I'll have to learn some of it, but I've done entry-level programming before and it's not entirely my thing.
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The people I know who are in that field, many of them with their own tech companies now, started off with coding. I think if you get some of the MS certifications, whatever they use now, you can parlay that into the door and then go your way with it. Once you get some experience, it's easy enough to move onto hardware and installation and stuff if you like that better than sitting in front of a monitor all day. It's one of the few fields that with a 4 year degree or proper certification, you can walk in making $70k in non-big cities. That helps with $80k of debt. The only other similar starting salaries in that range that I know of are engineers and nurses (nurses on shift differentials). Good luck Jaz.
I'm very strongly considering changing my career path to IT. I went to a trade school for high school where I studied computer science (web development), but afterwards I decided I didn't want to sit in front of a screen all day so in college I double majored in Philosophy and Psychology. Because, you know, marijuana. But now that I'm seven years removed from college and have spent it all in retail, I need a change. I've considered going for a Master's or PhD in Psych, but frankly I've decided that 80K of debt is enough. And I like computers enough that I think I could excel in the IT field. I'm just not sure of what direction I want to go in.
I know we have some on here in the field (JR I'm pretty sure you are) and ZIG don't you do data analysis or something similar. I'm just trying to get a feel for what direction I want to go in and what certs I want to get to help me get my foot in the door since I haven't had any real world experience yet. As of yet I'm not sure exactly where I want to end up. Any words of advice or just random things people want to word vomit about the field would be very welcome.
Edit: As of right now I'm pretty sure I don't want to do a lot (if any) coding; I know to some extent it's inevitable and I'll have to learn some of it, but I've done entry-level programming before and it's not entirely my thing.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by IT, but you could look for roles for computer people in psychology labs or cognitive neuroscience places. I work at an Alzheimer's research institute, and there's a whole spectrum of people with different "IT" backgrounds that make it all work. We've got computer guys who manage our databases and organize all our data, guys who keep the server running and managing traffic when we are running analyses, and stuff like that. They have a strong understanding of Linux/Unix, SQL, and Java mostly and are closer to a pure computer science background. I mostly write python and Matlab scripts, but I'm on the neuroscience end of the spectrum, with my code mostly being math or stats (I'm not a 'coder' in the stereotypical sense.) And there's guys in the middle of the spectrum that make sure my math code runs properly in the environment and takes care of all the software stuff that's over my head. So you could look for roles within organizations that are doing things that interest you.
I'm very strongly considering changing my career path to IT. I went to a trade school for high school where I studied computer science (web development), but afterwards I decided I didn't want to sit in front of a screen all day so in college I double majored in Philosophy and Psychology. Because, you know, marijuana. But now that I'm seven years removed from college and have spent it all in retail, I need a change. I've considered going for a Master's or PhD in Psych, but frankly I've decided that 80K of debt is enough. And I like computers enough that I think I could excel in the IT field. I'm just not sure of what direction I want to go in.
I know we have some on here in the field (JR I'm pretty sure you are) and ZIG don't you do data analysis or something similar. I'm just trying to get a feel for what direction I want to go in and what certs I want to get to help me get my foot in the door since I haven't had any real world experience yet. As of yet I'm not sure exactly where I want to end up. Any words of advice or just random things people want to word vomit about the field would be very welcome.
Edit: As of right now I'm pretty sure I don't want to do a lot (if any) coding; I know to some extent it's inevitable and I'll have to learn some of it, but I've done entry-level programming before and it's not entirely my thing.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by IT, but you could look for roles for computer people in psychology labs or cognitive neuroscience places. I work at an Alzheimer's research institute, and there's a whole spectrum of people with different "IT" backgrounds that make it all work. We've got computer guys who manage our databases and organize all our data, guys who keep the server running and managing traffic when we are running analyses, and stuff like that. They have a strong understanding of Linux/Unix, SQL, and Java mostly and are closer to a pure computer science background. I mostly write python and Matlab scripts, but I'm on the neuroscience end of the spectrum, with my code mostly being math or stats (I'm not a 'coder' in the stereotypical sense.) And there's guys in the middle of the spectrum that make sure my math code runs properly in the environment and takes care of all the software stuff that's over my head. So you could look for roles within organizations that are doing things that interest you.
MATLAB is a hell of a software/language. I use it for my engineering classes and one of my friends is actually doing neuro research with it.
Post by trantsgiving on Jan 26, 2018 15:28:26 GMT -5
Didn’t realize this thread existed
What’s a good minor to add onto a Political Science degree going into law school? I was thinking minoring in Business Administration or even doing a dual major with it. I personally don’t like the idea of doing pre-law as it would be useless if I decide not to do law school.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by IT, but you could look for roles for computer people in psychology labs or cognitive neuroscience places. I work at an Alzheimer's research institute, and there's a whole spectrum of people with different "IT" backgrounds that make it all work. We've got computer guys who manage our databases and organize all our data, guys who keep the server running and managing traffic when we are running analyses, and stuff like that. They have a strong understanding of Linux/Unix, SQL, and Java mostly and are closer to a pure computer science background. I mostly write python and Matlab scripts, but I'm on the neuroscience end of the spectrum, with my code mostly being math or stats (I'm not a 'coder' in the stereotypical sense.) And there's guys in the middle of the spectrum that make sure my math code runs properly in the environment and takes care of all the software stuff that's over my head. So you could look for roles within organizations that are doing things that interest you.
MATLAB is a hell of a software/language. I use it for my engineering classes and one of my friends is actually doing neuro research with it.
I have my PhD in biomedical engineering I've been using Matlab for going on 14 years now. My dissertation was all neuro. I love it, but now I'm starting to use python a bit more because its open source and plays better with other software.
MATLAB is a hell of a software/language. I use it for my engineering classes and one of my friends is actually doing neuro research with it.
I have my PhD in biomedical engineering I've been using Matlab for going on 14 years now. My dissertation was all neuro. I love it, but now I'm starting to use python a bit more because its open source and plays better with other software.
That's awesome! I'm an undergrad in mechanical engineering, but at some point would like to get a PhD for mechanical from Georgia Tech and become a professor. I'm also getting minors in nuclear engineering and math.
I've been learning Python too but haven't used it for much yet, but will start using it soon for Raspberry Pi. I'm in the electric go-kart team for my school and we are putting one of those on our kart.
Sorry Jaz, I have no advice for you, as I like and would recommend coding.
MATLAB is a hell of a software/language. I use it for my engineering classes and one of my friends is actually doing neuro research with it.
I have my PhD in biomedical engineering I've been using Matlab for going on 14 years now. My dissertation was all neuro. I love it, but now I'm starting to use python a bit more because its open source and plays better with other software.
You’re not alone. my professors are saying a lot of people are switching from MATLAB to python. As a coder I much prefer python.
I'm very strongly considering changing my career path to IT. I went to a trade school for high school where I studied computer science (web development), but afterwards I decided I didn't want to sit in front of a screen all day so in college I double majored in Philosophy and Psychology. Because, you know, marijuana. But now that I'm seven years removed from college and have spent it all in retail, I need a change. I've considered going for a Master's or PhD in Psych, but frankly I've decided that 80K of debt is enough. And I like computers enough that I think I could excel in the IT field. I'm just not sure of what direction I want to go in.
I know we have some on here in the field (JR I'm pretty sure you are) and ZIG don't you do data analysis or something similar. I'm just trying to get a feel for what direction I want to go in and what certs I want to get to help me get my foot in the door since I haven't had any real world experience yet. As of yet I'm not sure exactly where I want to end up. Any words of advice or just random things people want to word vomit about the field would be very welcome.
Edit: As of right now I'm pretty sure I don't want to do a lot (if any) coding; I know to some extent it's inevitable and I'll have to learn some of it, but I've done entry-level programming before and it's not entirely my thing.
I went to college to make games (i.e. programming/coding.) I changed my major to IT Security because I hated programming. Turns out I didn't love security either, but I graduated and got a job in networking (making computers talk to each other.) 12+ years later I'm doing very well in the field.
A degree or a CCNA will get your foot in the door with most networking jobs and making a decent bit of money and you can move up from there. If you have questions ask me.
Last Edit: Jan 26, 2018 23:56:53 GMT -5 by JR - Back to Top
What’s a good minor to add onto a Political Science degree going into law school? I was thinking minoring in Business Administration or even doing a dual major with it. I personally don’t like the idea of doing pre-law as it would be useless if I decide not to do law school.
Have you considered English? It’s a pretty good foundation because there is a lot of writing in law school (and beyond). The only thing I will say is that I did have to adapt somewhat because law school writing was pretty different, stylistically, than writing for English classes was.
You work at a law firm, right? Have you talked to attorneys in the firm about whether they recommend law school? It’s a lot to get tied into, debt-wise (unless you have a way to do it without loans). I have no idea what the job market situation is like now, but it was pretty bad a few years ago because there were so many people going to law school. And my job is great, but a lot of the people I went to law school with ended up hating their jobs (mostly people who went to firms). I’m sure there are people who fit great in law firms and love those jobs, but I can think of four people off the top of my head who hated their firm jobs and one who had a heart attack before he was 40 because of his. So if you’re on the fence, definitely put a lot of thought in and talk to as many people you can about it before you make up your mind.
What’s a good minor to add onto a Political Science degree going into law school? I was thinking minoring in Business Administration or even doing a dual major with it. I personally don’t like the idea of doing pre-law as it would be useless if I decide not to do law school.
Have you considered English? It’s a pretty good foundation because there is a lot of writing in law school (and beyond). The only thing I will say is that I did have to adapt somewhat because law school writing was pretty different, stylistically, than writing for English classes was.
You work at a law firm, right? Have you talked to attorneys in the firm about whether they recommend law school? It’s a lot to get tied into, debt-wise (unless you have a way to do it without loans). I have no idea what the job market situation is like now, but it was pretty bad a few years ago because there were so many people going to law school. And my job is great, but a lot of the people I went to law school with ended up hating their jobs (mostly people who went to firms). I’m sure there are people who fit great in law firms and love those jobs, but I can think of four people off the top of my head who hated their firm jobs and one who had a heart attack before he was 40 because of his. So if you’re on the fence, definitely put a lot of thought in and talk to as many people you can about it before you make up your mind.
I have not, but that is a lot of reading for a minor, which really isn’t my strong suit. I did used to work at a firm but left once last semester started but I’m sure I could still reach out. Thanks!
What’s a good minor to add onto a Political Science degree going into law school? I was thinking minoring in Business Administration or even doing a dual major with it. I personally don’t like the idea of doing pre-law as it would be useless if I decide not to do law school.
We have a family of lawyers who all took different paths. It’s hard to anticipate a complimentary degree if you aren’t sure what type of law you want to practice. And in my 2nd hand experience, it seems like a lot of people find preferable legal disciplines once in school. My brother got a psychology degree. While in law school, he really liked international law. But when it was all said and done, he chose criminal defense because he loved it and liked the trial action. An ex fiancé came at it from a fine arts/acting career. She wasn’t about litigating in court but went on to become a very successful arbitrator on the side of corporate defense and insurance settlement.
Ultimately should you choose law, you’ll want to find something that makes you happy and where you enjoy the specific intracacies. I also deal with lawyers every day and would tell you that the ones I know who make the crazy amount of money work with trusts and taxes. In that case obviously a curriculum heavy in accounting and finance goes a long way.
Don’t be afraid to put the pieces together over time. You can always go back and refine your education after the fact, so you aren’t ever really stuck with a specific type of legal career.
Have you considered English? It’s a pretty good foundation because there is a lot of writing in law school (and beyond). The only thing I will say is that I did have to adapt somewhat because law school writing was pretty different, stylistically, than writing for English classes was.
You work at a law firm, right? Have you talked to attorneys in the firm about whether they recommend law school? It’s a lot to get tied into, debt-wise (unless you have a way to do it without loans). I have no idea what the job market situation is like now, but it was pretty bad a few years ago because there were so many people going to law school. And my job is great, but a lot of the people I went to law school with ended up hating their jobs (mostly people who went to firms). I’m sure there are people who fit great in law firms and love those jobs, but I can think of four people off the top of my head who hated their firm jobs and one who had a heart attack before he was 40 because of his. So if you’re on the fence, definitely put a lot of thought in and talk to as many people you can about it before you make up your mind.
I have not, but that is a lot of reading for a minor, which really isn’t my strong suit. I did used to work at a firm but left once last semester started but I’m sure I could still reach out. Thanks!
If you don’t like reading, I would strongly urge you to really think hard about whether you’d like being a lawyer. There’s an awful lot of reading involved.
I was an English major with a concentration in literature, so yeah, lots of reading. But my school offered different concentrations, including one in technical communication, which could be helpful and might involve less actual reading.
I'm very strongly considering changing my career path to IT. I went to a trade school for high school where I studied computer science (web development), but afterwards I decided I didn't want to sit in front of a screen all day so in college I double majored in Philosophy and Psychology. Because, you know, marijuana. But now that I'm seven years removed from college and have spent it all in retail, I need a change. I've considered going for a Master's or PhD in Psych, but frankly I've decided that 80K of debt is enough. And I like computers enough that I think I could excel in the IT field. I'm just not sure of what direction I want to go in.
I know we have some on here in the field (JR I'm pretty sure you are) and ZIG don't you do data analysis or something similar. I'm just trying to get a feel for what direction I want to go in and what certs I want to get to help me get my foot in the door since I haven't had any real world experience yet. As of yet I'm not sure exactly where I want to end up. Any words of advice or just random things people want to word vomit about the field would be very welcome.
Edit: As of right now I'm pretty sure I don't want to do a lot (if any) coding; I know to some extent it's inevitable and I'll have to learn some of it, but I've done entry-level programming before and it's not entirely my thing.
I would also recommend the field of networking if you aren’t big into coding. Just a warning - as you mentioned, most of the IT fields will be office jobs in front of a computer, though. Unless you branch off into another field (education, dual fields, etc.).
Have you ever considered management? A Business/Management Information Systems major might give you a good mix of management and IT to where you could have a strong background in both but you could focus more on managing a business.
I have not, but that is a lot of reading for a minor, which really isn’t my strong suit. I did used to work at a firm but left once last semester started but I’m sure I could still reach out. Thanks!
If you don’t like reading, I would strongly urge you to really think hard about whether you’d like being a lawyer. There’s an awful lot of reading involved.
I was an English major with a concentration in literature, so yeah, lots of reading. But my school offered different concentrations, including one in technical communication, which could be helpful and might involve less actual reading.
I’m good at reading actual works of non-fiction, but I meant I’m not good at reading fiction works or writing about motifs and such.
Post by actually @fortyfive33 now on Feb 14, 2018 13:29:28 GMT -5
On a resume, if I'm working for a website based in Philadelphia, but I'm writing from Columbia, Missouri, which do I put as my location? Columbia or Philadelphia?
On a resume, if I'm working for a website based in Philadelphia, but I'm writing from Columbia, Missouri, which do I put as my location? Columbia or Philadelphia?
I think for your own address on the top of your resume you should put Columbia, but on the "Job Experience etc." sub-section, you should put Philly. You can state you're working from Columbia in the description of that job.
I work as a manager at a Barnes & Noble. It's a college store so there are many different departments - mine is general books (as opposed to textbooks, the cafe, or general merchandise). I am okay with my job - I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I make just enough to get by (32-33K), but to be fair I get to spend way too much time dicking around online and doing whatever I want. There's not a whole lot of actual work involved. So it's a fair tradeoff. It's also enabled me to be just comfortable enough that I haven't sought a job that actually challenges me and pays me more - though I should mention I really have no clue what I actually want to do, and that question has plagued me for years.
Last month our cafe manager quit with no notice. He wasn't exactly a strong leader so the cafe needs some structure, but the workers there are generally decent. My boss just offered me a $6K raise to take the job, but I'm not sure if I want to take it. My girlfriend and I are moving in together at the end of June, at which point I was planning on taking a job in Philly (right now I live/work about 35 mins away from the city), which would give me the chance for a better job with better pay. My goal salary is around $40K.
Pros: An extra $400ish/mo after taxes. Work will keep me busy. I am still completely free to find and take a better job after I move to Philly. Having a higher salary now will give me more leverage in negotiating salary for a new job. Could pay down my debts much more quickly. If I don't find a new job right away, hey at least I'm getting paid more than I would be otherwise. I might dislike the job enough to jump-start my planned new job search.
Cons: I'd actually have to do work now - it's a busier position because I'm expected to be in the cafe almost all the time, instead of in my office pretending to do officework. I'd be moving from books (best department in store for my interests) to cafe. Slightly less than the target salary increase I'm looking for. It would be bad form to leave the position after a couple months, so I'd be commuting for at least a bit before finding a new job. I'm still in retail, which I decidedly don't want to be. I might continue to be "comfortable" and not seek out a new position.
I would appreciate y'allses input, exploratory questions, what you think you would do in this situation, etc.
I work as a manager at a Barnes & Noble. It's a college store so there are many different departments - mine is general books (as opposed to textbooks, the cafe, or general merchandise). I am okay with my job - I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I make just enough to get by (32-33K), but to be fair I get to spend way too much time dicking around online and doing whatever I want. There's not a whole lot of actual work involved. So it's a fair tradeoff. It's also enabled me to be just comfortable enough that I haven't sought a job that actually challenges me and pays me more - though I should mention I really have no clue what I actually want to do, and that question has plagued me for years.
Last month our cafe manager quit with no notice. He wasn't exactly a strong leader so the cafe needs some structure, but the workers there are generally decent. My boss just offered me a $6K raise to take the job, but I'm not sure if I want to take it. My girlfriend and I are moving in together at the end of June, at which point I was planning on taking a job in Philly (right now I live/work about 35 mins away from the city), which would give me the chance for a better job with better pay. My goal salary is around $40K.
Pros: An extra $400ish/mo after taxes. Work will keep me busy. I am still completely free to find and take a better job after I move to Philly. Having a higher salary now will give me more leverage in negotiating salary for a new job. Could pay down my debts much more quickly. If I don't find a new job right away, hey at least I'm getting paid more than I would be otherwise. I might dislike the job enough to jump-start my planned new job search.
Cons: I'd actually have to do work now - it's a busier position because I'm expected to be in the cafe almost all the time, instead of in my office pretending to do officework. I'd be moving from books (best department in store for my interests) to cafe. Slightly less than the target salary increase I'm looking for. It would be bad form to leave the position after a couple months, so I'd be commuting for at least a bit before finding a new job. I'm still in retail, which I decidedly don't want to be. I might continue to be "comfortable" and not seek out a new position.
I would appreciate y'allses input, exploratory questions, what you think you would do in this situation, etc.
is the salary (or any other benefits like PTO, etc.) negotiable? Is the job title negotiable (ie: make it obvious on a resume it is a promotion?) It looks really good to hiring managers to see a person moving vertically within an organization. Also, if you come in and replace a mediocre manager type and kick-ass in the position, then come june you can tell your boss you are looking at positions in philly, and have leverage for a raise as cafe manager (if its something you want to keep doing). I love dicking around on the internet as much as the next person, but when I am busy the days fly by, and work is actually a lot more enjoyable. Do you think still being in retail, which you decidedly do not want, may still be enough impetus to look for new positions in philly or elsewhere? Paying down debts ASAP can be really helpful for retirement/house down payment/misc. savings projections, but also mental health as well. When mrs. snowman made her last student loan payment it was a great day. You're still in a bookstore, as a manager. during slow times at the cafe you could still peruse a book or something, yeah?
is the salary (or any other benefits like PTO, etc.) negotiable?
Perhaps. I'm in the favorable position of having two bosses that really like me, so their initial idea was to restructure the store and have me manage both departments so they could pay me in the mid-forties. Unfortunately our regional manager said that corporate would never go for it - nothing like that has been done before, it would take an "act of God" for them to approve it, etc. It's a no go. But I privately asked the assistant manager if she thought I could get more, and she said probably. She didn't know if the $6K offer came from my boss or his boss. If it came from my boss I could just ask him for more and see if it gets approved. If it came from his boss, it's more likely to be capped. All other benefits would be the same.
Is the job title negotiable (ie: make it obvious on a resume it is a promotion?) It looks really good to hiring managers to see a person moving vertically within an organization.
This is a great point, but I don't see how the job title would change. It would be a lateral move as far as hierarchy goes.
Also, if you come in and replace a mediocre manager type and kick-ass in the position, then come june you can tell your boss you are looking at positions in philly, and have leverage for a raise as cafe manager (if its something you want to keep doing).
The assistant manager knows I'm looking at other jobs. We're close so I straight up asked what the expectations would be if I ended up leaving soon after taking the position. She said that she wouldn't hold it against me and that the general manager wouldn't either, and they'd still write good recommendations for me. Regardless, I don't think I would be in a position to ask for a raise three months after getting a 20% bump. We only get raises during our annual review anyway.
I love dicking around on the internet as much as the next person, but when I am busy the days fly by, and work is actually a lot more enjoyable. Do you think still being in retail, which you decidedly do not want, may still be enough impetus to look for new positions in philly or elsewhere?
Yeah, I think so. I've already started looking before even moving there; I'm not huge on the commute, plus the idea of working beneath my potential really grates on me.
Paying down debts ASAP can be really helpful for retirement/house down payment/misc. savings projections, but also mental health as well. When mrs. snowman made her last student loan payment it was a great day. You're still in a bookstore, as a manager. during slow times at the cafe you could still peruse a book or something, yeah?
There's not really much downtime, but yes that would still be an option. Good questions all around - I'm thinking what I might do is tell them I'll take the job for an $8K increase. If they came down to 7 I'd be okay with that. The only downsides to this are how much I'd be enjoying the work, and to be honest I've been bored af in my job for years, so any change would be nice. I might like the new position less, but I doubt I'd like it so much less that it wouldn't be worth an extra $500 a month. And then I can always find a different job afterwards anyway.
