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What would you classify him as? I won't argue about it. It's all subjective, maaaaan. I defaulted to deep house because he's on Ajunadeep.
I mean I thought he was house, too. Although, I'm admittedly not the best source on electronic classifications.
I think I'm gonna show my age a bit but I think the correct answer would be progressive. Progressive house, progressive trance, it's all the same these days.
And he is definitely the best DJ on the lineup and he's in the fucking silent disco.
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
The other thread got locked because it started as someone putting out what they felt was a valid topic of discussion and ended with a general shit show. At that point, it doesn't help anyone to keep it going when it's just arguing.
Re: that specific instagram, I haven't discussed it because I hadn't seen it. I still don't buy a Radiohead addition at this stage of the game. I could always be wrong though. Don't read too much into what the intention of the post could be. Plenty of social media posts take on a life of their own that was never the aim of the person who posted it. One specific instance comes to mind was the Coachella post from a couple of years ago. It was a picture of polo balls in grass. It was just meant to get people hype for the Coachella cycle beginning. The polo balls came from the fact that it is held at a polo club. Social media saw it and instantly flipped shit thinking it was a clue for The Rolling Stones. Of course, that didn't end up being true at all. Just a coincidence.
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
The other thread got locked because it started as someone putting out what they felt was a valid topic of discussion and ended with a general shit show. At that point, it doesn't help anyone to keep it going when it's just arguing.
Re: that specific instagram, I haven't discussed it because I hadn't seen it. I still don't buy a Radiohead addition at this stage of the game. I could always be wrong though. Don't read too much into what the intention of the post could be. Plenty of social media posts take on a life of their own that was never the aim of the person who posted it. One specific instance comes to mind was the Coachella post from a couple of years ago. It was a picture of polo balls in grass. It was just meant to get people hype for the Coachella cycle beginning. The polo balls came from the fact that it is held at a polo club. Social media saw it and instantly flipped shit thinking it was a clue for The Rolling Stones. Of course, that didn't end up being true at all. Just a coincidence.
That came to mind because I remember it and the ensuing post they had clarifying it with everything labelled.
Coincidentally though, isn't that the year that they tried pretty hard to book the Stones and it fell through? Edit: And doesn't this story kind of just reinforce the idea that big festivals have an idea about what the online buzz and rumors (correct or not) are? If I'm Bonnaroo, posting that picture right now feels like a terrible, terrible idea if there's nothing actually behind it. Literally almost every response on the actual instagram post is "Radiohead!" or something to that effect.
To me, there are just too many elements to overlook to pass it off as nothing. The Google result in particular, because multiple people confirmed that and therefore it can't be fake, like some were accusing the artist page of being.
The other thread got locked because it started as someone putting out what they felt was a valid topic of discussion and ended with a general shit show. At that point, it doesn't help anyone to keep it going when it's just arguing.
Re: that specific instagram, I haven't discussed it because I hadn't seen it. I still don't buy a Radiohead addition at this stage of the game. I could always be wrong though. Don't read too much into what the intention of the post could be. Plenty of social media posts take on a life of their own that was never the aim of the person who posted it. One specific instance comes to mind was the Coachella post from a couple of years ago. It was a picture of polo balls in grass. It was just meant to get people hype for the Coachella cycle beginning. The polo balls came from the fact that it is held at a polo club. Social media saw it and instantly flipped shit thinking it was a clue for The Rolling Stones. Of course, that didn't end up being true at all. Just a coincidence.
That came to mind because I remember it and the ensuing post they had clarifying it with everything labelled.
Coincidentally though, isn't that the year that they tried pretty hard to book the Stones and it fell through? Edit: And doesn't this story kind of just reinforce the idea that big festivals have an idea about what the online buzz and rumors (correct or not) are?
To me, there are just too many elements to overlook to pass it off as nothing. The Google result in particular, because multiple people confirmed that and therefore it can't be fake, like some were accusing the artist page of being.
I, for one, don't think the artist page was fake necessarily. I think it was just a glitch/error/etc.
Like I said in the first post, I could definitely be wrong about it. I just don't happen to believe that Radiohead is getting added. If you had someone on lock to the point that you would want to start teasing them, I don't see any benefit in them waiting to announce things. Radiohead has announced their own shows and the festivals that they are headlining, so it's not like there is some other announcement that is holding it up. Also, every day you wait is another day closer to the festival which diminishes the amount of days the tickets will be on sale and the amount of days available for people to potentially change their plans.
Lastly, yes, big (and small) festivals very much have an idea what is going on with online rumors. I know AC has multiple people whose main function is to put out a social media platform for their products. They spend a lot of time seeing what people are talking about on various outlets. I also know they love the shares/retweets/regrams. What better way to get #bonnaroo to pop than to post something that will catch some people's eye like that due to recent speculation? If anyone calls them on it for teasing, they're just "posting people who show the spirit of Bonnaroo with their elaborate costumes" and such.
Post by Vinnie the Eel on Apr 18, 2016 13:26:53 GMT -5
What would Bonnaroo possibly have to gain by holding out on the biggest of all the headliner acts? All of this from a guy dancing around with a foam speaker on his head?
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
Sure, we can talk about it.
Bonnaroo's goal, like any profit seeking venture, is to minimize expenses and maximize revenues. That's the only fact I'll deal with, everything moving forward is just my speculation and opinion based on my amateur observations of Bonnaroo and the music festival industry at large.
I think in any business there is the short game and the long game. For Bonnaroo the short game is selling tickets to this year's festival. The long game is developing a customer base of loyal Bonnaroovians who return year after year because they love Bonnaroo and believe it provides a unique live music experience.
So let's say Bonnaroo books Radiohead for 2016. This is a headlining act, and is therefore expensive. Bonnaroo could either announce this act or leave it as a secret until the actual festival. Lets consider the implications of each decision on the short game and long game:
1. Announce Radiohead before the festival - Definite short game plus. Radiohead is a hugely popular act and would undoubtedly sell more tickets to the 2016 festival. But there is a basic long game plus as well: stacked lineups create long-term customers. People would reminisce for years about that time Bonnaroo booked Radiohead, Pearl Jam, LCD, and Dead & Co. all on the same ticket. So many heavy hitters headlining creates a perception of quality that will keep fans coming back. So Roo sells a lot of tickets, and creates a lot of memories that sell future tickets.
2. Do NOT announce Radiohead before the festival, Radiohead just shows up and surprises everyone - Zero impact on the short game. If you don't know Radiohead is there you can't sell tickets based on their appearance. But the long game? While announcing Radiohead before helps the long game, as noted above, a surprise appearance by a band of that caliber would send huge waves of awe through the community. It would fully reinforce the idea that anything could happen at Roo. Moving forward all those people that claim insane things could happen, like Prince doing a secret parade set at 3am on Saturday, would at least have to have their claims considered by the more level headed members of the community, because remember in 2016 when goddamn Radiohead played a surprise set? It would get huge press and people would be talking about it forever. Even if no surprises happened over the next few years, the possibility that something could happen would keep people frothing at the mouth and going back over and over. But you do this at the expense of 2016 profits.
While I think Bonnaroo is concerned with the long game, I don't think they would take such a gamble on CY profits by not announcing Radiohead. The long term impact of a surprise performance just isn't measurable, but just booking Radiohead is guaranteed cash in the bank.
Not going to quote those last couple responses to avoid the text wall.
The points are well-reasoned, but here are the facts: They've publicly stated that they tried to have Kanye be a surprise late act for 2013. That's the way they operate; they said it themselves. All the business/bottom dollar talk is very logical, but they themselves admitted that they tried to do something exactly like this a few years ago.
I'm not really sure why that other thread got locked; are people not allowed to speculate here?
Didn't Bonnaroo mention at some point that they tried very hard to have Kanye West be a surprise add out of nowhere for the 2013 festival?
Is it entirely inconceivable that they'd do the same thing here? Would they really blatantly post a picture of a "radio-head" on their instagram just to fuck with people in light of all the buzz? Seems kind of mean-spirited.
There's enough evidence for this now that I don't see why people would want to censor discussion about it.
Sure, we can talk about it.
Bonnaroo's goal, like any profit seeking venture, is to minimize expenses and maximize revenues. That's the only fact I'll deal with, everything moving forward is just my speculation and opinion based on my amateur observations of Bonnaroo and the music festival industry at large.
I think in any business there is the short game and the long game. For Bonnaroo the short game is selling tickets to this year's festival. The long game is developing a customer base of loyal Bonnaroovians who return year after year because they love Bonnaroo and believe it provides a unique live music experience.
So let's say Bonnaroo books Radiohead for 2016. This is a headlining act, and is therefore expensive. Bonnaroo could either announce this act or leave it as a secret until the actual festival. Lets consider the implications of each decision on the short game and long game:
1. Announce Radiohead before the festival - Definite short game plus. Radiohead is a hugely popular act and would undoubtedly sell more tickets to the 2016 festival. But there is a basic long game plus as well: stacked lineups create long-term customers. People would reminisce for years about that time Bonnaroo booked Radiohead, Pearl Jam, LCD, and Dead & Co. all on the same ticket. So many heavy hitters headlining creates a perception of quality that will keep fans coming back. So Roo sells a lot of tickets, and creates a lot of memories that sell future tickets.
2. Do NOT announce Radiohead before the festival, Radiohead just shows up and surprises everyone - Zero impact on the short game. If you don't know Radiohead is there you can't sell tickets based on their appearance. But the long game? While announcing Radiohead before helps the long game, as noted above, a surprise appearance by a band of that caliber would send huge waves of awe through the community. It would fully reinforce the idea that anything could happen at Roo. Moving forward all those people that claim insane things could happen, like Prince doing a secret parade set at 3am on Saturday, would at least have to have their claims considered by the more level headed members of the community, because remember in 2016 when goddamn Radiohead played a surprise set? It would get huge press and people would be talking about it forever. Even if no surprises happened over the next few years, the possibility that something could happen would keep people frothing at the mouth and going back over and over. But you do this at the expense of 2016 profits.
While I think Bonnaroo is concerned with the long game, I don't think they would take such a gamble on CY profits by not announcing Radiohead. The long term impact of a surprise performance just isn't measurable, but just booking Radiohead is guaranteed cash in the bank.
I think the money aspect is important. Think what you will of the headliners this year. They're three solid headliners. I don't see any of them stepping back to a subheadliner, and I don't see Radiohead going for a split headliner on their day. Before the statement is made, LCD is headlining shit tons of festivals this year (including Coachella), so I don't want to hear any noise about them not being at that level (not directed at anyone in particular).
What would Bonnaroo possibly have to gain by holding out on the biggest of all the headliner acts? All of this from a guy dancing around with a foam speaker on his head?
This photo was posted a week or two after some Radiohead 2016 stuff started showing up on Bonnaroo's website; it's not just the photo. The photo was posted after buzz started growing online that it seemed like stuff had leaked about Radiohead on the website.
Bonnaroo's goal, like any profit seeking venture, is to minimize expenses and maximize revenues. That's the only fact I'll deal with, everything moving forward is just my speculation and opinion based on my amateur observations of Bonnaroo and the music festival industry at large.
I think in any business there is the short game and the long game. For Bonnaroo the short game is selling tickets to this year's festival. The long game is developing a customer base of loyal Bonnaroovians who return year after year because they love Bonnaroo and believe it provides a unique live music experience.
So let's say Bonnaroo books Radiohead for 2016. This is a headlining act, and is therefore expensive. Bonnaroo could either announce this act or leave it as a secret until the actual festival. Lets consider the implications of each decision on the short game and long game:
1. Announce Radiohead before the festival - Definite short game plus. Radiohead is a hugely popular act and would undoubtedly sell more tickets to the 2016 festival. But there is a basic long game plus as well: stacked lineups create long-term customers. People would reminisce for years about that time Bonnaroo booked Radiohead, Pearl Jam, LCD, and Dead & Co. all on the same ticket. So many heavy hitters headlining creates a perception of quality that will keep fans coming back. So Roo sells a lot of tickets, and creates a lot of memories that sell future tickets.
2. Do NOT announce Radiohead before the festival, Radiohead just shows up and surprises everyone - Zero impact on the short game. If you don't know Radiohead is there you can't sell tickets based on their appearance. But the long game? While announcing Radiohead before helps the long game, as noted above, a surprise appearance by a band of that caliber would send huge waves of awe through the community. It would fully reinforce the idea that anything could happen at Roo. Moving forward all those people that claim insane things could happen, like Prince doing a secret parade set at 3am on Saturday, would at least have to have their claims considered by the more level headed members of the community, because remember in 2016 when goddamn Radiohead played a surprise set? It would get huge press and people would be talking about it forever. Even if no surprises happened over the next few years, the possibility that something could happen would keep people frothing at the mouth and going back over and over. But you do this at the expense of 2016 profits.
While I think Bonnaroo is concerned with the long game, I don't think they would take such a gamble on CY profits by not announcing Radiohead. The long term impact of a surprise performance just isn't measurable, but just booking Radiohead is guaranteed cash in the bank.
I think the money aspect is important. Think what you will of the headliners this year. They're three solid headliners. I don't see any of them stepping back to a subheadliner, and I don't see Radiohead going for a split headliner on their day. Before the statement is made, LCD is headlining shit tons of festivals this year (including Coachella), so I don't want to hear any noise about them not being at that level (not directed at anyone in particular).
Isn't the role of "headliner" kind of flexible at Roo, I thought? Didn't people tend to list four "headliners" last year (Joel, Mumford, mau5, Kendrick)?
To me, one of the bigger conundrums to this hypothetical is just how they'd arrange them time/location wise, but they figured that out last year didn't they?
Not going to quote those last couple responses to avoid the text wall.
The points are well-reasoned, but here are the facts: They've publicly stated that they tried to have Kanye be a surprise late act for 2013. That's the way they operate; they said it themselves. All the business/bottom dollar talk is very logical, but they themselves admitted that they tried to do something exactly like this a few years ago.
Alex Young who runs Consequence of Sound talked to Roo reps about the rumor. He then posted on the Roo subreddit (and emailed the original rumor starter here) to say it's not happening. That's a fair part of why this whole topic ultimately got put on ice (aside from the obvious). Setting aside people's distaste for Alex here for a moment, I assume he would've run like wild to break that "scoop" had it turned out to be true.
Not going to quote those last couple responses to avoid the text wall.
The points are well-reasoned, but here are the facts: They've publicly stated that they tried to have Kanye be a surprise late act for 2013. That's the way they operate; they said it themselves. All the business/bottom dollar talk is very logical, but they themselves admitted that they tried to do something exactly like this a few years ago.
Alex Young who runs Consequence of Sound talked to Roo reps about the rumor. He then posted on the Roo subreddit (and emailed the original rumor starter here) to say it's not happening. That's a fair part of why this whole topic ultimately got put on ice (aside from the obvious). Setting aside people's distaste for Alex here for a moment, I assume he would've run like wild to break that "scoop" had it turned out to be true.
That's a good point. Did he talk to Roo or Radiohead? I can see either not wanting to spill the beans though exactly; remember when (Pitchfork I think?) reported that an LCD reunion was definitely not happening?
If that instagram post is an intentional troll, I just think that's fucked up. Oh well.
That's a good point. Did he talk to Roo or Radiohead? I can see either not wanting to spill the beans though exactly; remember when (Pitchfork I think?) reported that an LCD reunion was definitely not happening?
If that instagram post is an intentional troll, I just think that's fucked up. Oh well.
He talked to Roo.
To be clear, I would love nothing more than this to be true. Personally I can't go in 2017 when it's much more likely that Radiohead plays Roo again. (Or 2018, if they're still touring.) But it just isn't happening in 2016.
That's a good point. Did he talk to Roo or Radiohead? I can see either not wanting to spill the beans though exactly; remember when (Pitchfork I think?) reported that an LCD reunion was definitely not happening?
If that instagram post is an intentional troll, I just think that's fucked up. Oh well.
He talked to Roo.
To be clear, I would love nothing more than this to be true. Personally I can't go in 2017 when it's much more likely that Radiohead plays Roo again. (Or 2018, if they're still touring.) But it just isn't happening in 2016.
I do think this knocks it down a couple pegs.
But in all honesty, how likely is Roo to go "Yup, shucks, you got us! Go announce it on your website, we didn't want a big surprise reveal anyway."?
To be clear, I would love nothing more than this to be true. Personally I can't go in 2017 when it's much more likely that Radiohead plays Roo again. (Or 2018, if they're still touring.) But it just isn't happening in 2016.
I do think this knocks it down a couple pegs.
But in all honesty, how likely is Roo to go "Yup, shucks, you got us! Go announce it on your website, we didn't want a big surprise reveal anyway."?
So essentially you're going to choose to believe it's happening no matter what evidence is given you. Ok.
Just to be clear, Kanye was supposed to lead the Superjam in 2013, not turn up as a surprise headliner.
Thanks, that's a detail I wasn't aware of.
I don't know enough about how websites work to say how they would just suddenly have RH added in a bunch of places. It's just such a collosal and strange mistake to make.
I don't understand how it happens accidentally.
And then to go "Oh, shit, we accidentally have Radiohead up on the website, get it down!" and then to a week later go "Let's really fuck with people by putting a picture up that everyone will think is Radiohead" just seems kind of surprisingly malicious to me.
Just to be clear, Kanye was supposed to lead the Superjam in 2013, not turn up as a surprise headliner.
Thanks, that's a detail I wasn't aware of.
I don't know enough about how websites work to say how they would just suddenly have RH added in a bunch of places. It's just such a collosal and strange mistake to make.
I don't understand how it happens accidentally.
And then to go "Oh, shit, we accidentally have Radiohead up on the website, get it down!" and then to a week later go "Let's really fuck with people by putting a picture up that everyone will think is Radiohead" just seems kind of surprisingly malicious to me.
In fact, Kanye almost played the festival last year! “We started the discussion with Kanye well over a year ago. It was time to leave the past behind,” Capps said. “He’s one of the major artists of our time..so there wasn’t any skepticism from us and he was ready as well. We initially had some conversations about him doing something last year…a surprise show…totally out of the box. But it didn’t quite work out. The conversations continued however and now we’re on for 2014. But it wasn’t forced. It evolved pretty organically.”
Where is the quote does it say it was a super secret superjam?
This whole idea that someone just thought it would be fun to add RH, use the new logo, list them as TBA and go live with it for funsies is just stew-pid.
Why not? Seriously. You get extra income from the camping fees this year. You could sell many more "what if" tickets going forward. Everyone complained they didn't spend money booking talent this year, booked too many small name bands, maybe they did spend money on somehing beyond our imagination.
Maybe the SUPERJAM is members of RH? 55 days and all the questions will be answered.
I don't know enough about how websites work to say how they would just suddenly have RH added in a bunch of places. It's just such a collosal and strange mistake to make.
I don't understand how it happens accidentally.
And then to go "Oh, shit, we accidentally have Radiohead up on the website, get it down!" and then to a week later go "Let's really fuck with people by putting a picture up that everyone will think is Radiohead" just seems kind of surprisingly malicious to me.
In fact, Kanye almost played the festival last year! “We started the discussion with Kanye well over a year ago. It was time to leave the past behind,” Capps said. “He’s one of the major artists of our time..so there wasn’t any skepticism from us and he was ready as well. We initially had some conversations about him doing something last year…a surprise show…totally out of the box. But it didn’t quite work out. The conversations continued however and now we’re on for 2014. But it wasn’t forced. It evolved pretty organically.”
Where is the quote does it say it was a super secret superjam?
This whole idea that someone just thought it would be fun to add RH, use the new logo, list them as TBA and go live with it for funsies is just stew-pid.
Why not? Seriously. You get extra income from the camping fees this year. You could sell many more "what if" tickets going forward. Everyone complained they didn't spend money booking talent this year, booked too many small name bands, maybe they did spend money on somehing beyond our imagination.
Maybe the SUPERJAM is members of RH? 55 days and all the questions will be answered.
In fact, Kanye almost played the festival last year! “We started the discussion with Kanye well over a year ago. It was time to leave the past behind,” Capps said. “He’s one of the major artists of our time..so there wasn’t any skepticism from us and he was ready as well. We initially had some conversations about him doing something last year…a surprise show…totally out of the box. But it didn’t quite work out. The conversations continued however and now we’re on for 2014. But it wasn’t forced. It evolved pretty organically.”
Where is the quote does it say it was a super secret superjam?
This whole idea that someone just thought it would be fun to add RH, use the new logo, list them as TBA and go live with it for funsies is just stew-pid.
Why not? Seriously. You get extra income from the camping fees this year. You could sell many more "what if" tickets going forward. Everyone complained they didn't spend money booking talent this year, booked too many small name bands, maybe they did spend money on somehing beyond our imagination.
Maybe the SUPERJAM is members of RH? 55 days and all the questions will be answered.
There's an interview with Paul Peck about it.
Right. FestSnob asked if it was supposed to be Kanye at the hip hop SJ. Peck never answers. Are you citing something else?
Within there, he says that the superjam was going to be lead by one of his favorite rappers of all time who backed out on them. Given the later news that they tried to get Kanye but he backed out, people put two and two together.
