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I like the last few Primavera lineups more than this Mad Cool lineup, hasn't really affected my anticipation at all. Has anything been said about the possibility of a Frank Ocean makeup show?
Not going to happen this year, perhaps another time.
this is just false. Besides the festival layout being a line rather than a circle. It's extremely easy to get to and I was staying miles away and I bought a ton of beer without ever waiting in line (honestly wish there had been some lines because I spent way too much money).
What part is false?
RE: entrance/exit: You must have gotten luckier than me, but it was about a 30 min wait for me each day (I came in around 7 PM). For getting out, I was saying public transportation is closed 2 AM to 5 AM so you either have to wait til 5 AM or wait in the super long taxi line. We tried to leave at 3:30 AM Friday, got into the taxi line that didn't move for a long time, and tried to start walking and couldn't get a taxi for over a mile.
RE: layout: having Mordor bounce back and forth sucks. If you want to be up front for Grace Jones, you were guaranteed to be in the back for Arcade Fire on the other stage because everyone turns around. So we left Grace Jones super early to wait across the field toward the front of Arcade Fire. I also would rather the fest be a big circle or square (like every other fest I've been to) then tight lines and bottle necks. The stairs up from Mordor always were tight before/after big shows and you're walking on a concrete parking lot the whole time.
RE: crowds: We were super close for The XX and Bon Iver and people were talking through the sets. Maybe we got unlucky, but it was facts. During the Haim secret show, I was sitting on the steps of the Ray Ban amphitheater, a drunk girl fell on me, that yelled at me for being in the way. There's as much bad crowds here as any other fest I've been to.
RE: long lines: Credit card machines were wi-fi type machines and the signal was always going in and out. So if someone tried paying with credit card, you had to wait until the machines worked with the signal and it went through. I remembered at 4 AM on the last night I saw a two person line for wine, and got in it thinking it would be 2 mins but it was over 10 because the machine was acting up.
I'm obviously being nit picky and the fest is great overall, but really the draw for this thing is the lineup. If other fests are topping it's lineup, it really loses its competitive advantage. Would you agree with that at least?
I came in around 6 every evening and never waited in line. The metro dropped me off at the entrance and picked me up in the morning when the fest ended. Very simple.
Not sure what the problem with stages being back to back is. Literally every festival has sets beginning and ending at the same time, when the stages are right next to each other it's much easier to bounce back and forth.
Already talked about crowds, I had no issues but there are obviously annoying people wherever you go.
The only time I had to wait more than a couple minutes for a drink was when i decided to treat myself to a Mojito at 4AM one night, but I also stayed on the far side with the electronic stages so that may have helped me here?
"I'm obviously being nit picky and the fest is great overall, but really the draw for this thing is the lineup. If other fests are topping it's lineup, it really loses its competitive advantage. Would you agree with that at least?" No. The fest is literally on the beach in one of the coolest cities in the world. The weather was perfect and I made friends with tons of nice people from around the globe.
Cool, agree to disagree. You must have gotten lucky with where you were watching sets because all the people I know who've gone have had talking issues at this fest.
I really enjoyed my time at the fest but going back would be lineup dependent.
Didn't have any problems with people talking either, although I think people let stuff like that effect their experiences way too easily in general.
I feel like I could handle this better when I was younger, but I think there's also more and more people nowadays who just don't give a fuck and will just yell over everything. At that point, it's fucking war.
And yeah, there's annoying people wherever you go, but that's no justification to suck it up and deal with it. Especially when this type of behavior is on a spectrum and certain niche events just keep getting worse and worse. And when a festival like Primavera is supposed to stand out from all the other fests in Europe.
Didn't have any problems with people talking either, although I think people let stuff like that effect their experiences way too easily in general.
I feel like I could handle this better when I was younger, but I think there's also more and more people nowadays who just don't give a fuck and will just yell over everything. At that point, it's fucking war.
And yeah, there's annoying people wherever you go, but that's no justification to suck it up and deal with it. Especially when this type of behavior is on a spectrum and certain niche events just keep getting worse and worse.
You're right, but it feels like this shit happens at all festivals. PS is by far the best one I've been to, and the lineup is superb for my taste each and every year. That's why I'm eagerly waiting for it to come out already, having bought mine back in July.
Why do you guys attend fests if not for the lineup/music though? As I’ve noted here before, I experienced some awful crowds at Glastonbury, but that didn’t change the fact that I came away seeing some amazing shows (which was the whole point after all).
Didn't have any problems with people talking either, although I think people let stuff like that effect their experiences way too easily in general.
I feel like I could handle this better when I was younger, but I think there's also more and more people nowadays who just don't give a fuck and will just yell over everything. At that point, it's fucking war.
And yeah, there's annoying people wherever you go, but that's no justification to suck it up and deal with it. Especially when this type of behavior is on a spectrum and certain niche events just keep getting worse and worse.
There's not much you can do about it for the most part, besides just moving to a different part of the crowd. Like I said, I'm pretty good at just ignoring people , and it's fucked up if you're talking enough during a show to ruin other people's experiences, but if you're allowing some people to ruin your own experience I think it's your own problem which is usually relatively easy to solve.
I'm still young though, got years of concerts to get old and cranky!
I feel like I could handle this better when I was younger, but I think there's also more and more people nowadays who just don't give a fuck and will just yell over everything. At that point, it's fucking war.
And yeah, there's annoying people wherever you go, but that's no justification to suck it up and deal with it. Especially when this type of behavior is on a spectrum and certain niche events just keep getting worse and worse.
There's not much you can do about it for the most part, besides just moving to a different part of the crowd. Like I said, I'm pretty good at just ignoring people , and it's fucked up if you're talking enough during a show to ruin other people's experiences, but if you're allowing some people to ruin your own experience I think it's your own problem which is usually relatively easy to solve.
I'm still young though, got years of concerts to get old and cranky!
Well, why should one move if you've staked out a good spot long in advance? Or if you are at an arena with fixed seating, where you cannot get a better spot.
And there are in fact things you can do about it - as in, confronting obnoxious offenders. Politely at first, of course, but sometimes you have to speak to them in a language they will understand. I've been doing this with success over the past year, and have even gotten compliments from others for having the guts to step in. Because believe me, if you have issues with the crowd, then others do as well.
There's not much you can do about it for the most part, besides just moving to a different part of the crowd. Like I said, I'm pretty good at just ignoring people , and it's fucked up if you're talking enough during a show to ruin other people's experiences, but if you're allowing some people to ruin your own experience I think it's your own problem which is usually relatively easy to solve.
I'm still young though, got years of concerts to get old and cranky!
Well, why should one move if you've staked out a good spot long in advance? Or if you are at an arena with fixed seating, where you cannot get a better spot.
And there are in fact things you can do about it - as in, confronting obnoxious offenders. Politely at first, of course, but sometimes you have to speak to them in a language they will understand. I've been doing this with success over the past year, and have even gotten compliments from others for having the guts to step in. Because believe me, if you have issues with the crowd, then others do as well.
I mean I agree, I just dont think that's super common from my experiences
Well, why should one move if you've staked out a good spot long in advance? Or if you are at an arena with fixed seating, where you cannot get a better spot.
And there are in fact things you can do about it - as in, confronting obnoxious offenders. Politely at first, of course, but sometimes you have to speak to them in a language they will understand. I've been doing this with success over the past year, and have even gotten compliments from others for having the guts to step in. Because believe me, if you have issues with the crowd, then others do as well.
I mean I agree, I just dont think that's super common from my experiences
I certainly hope it stays that way for you.
I do wonder whether Mad Cool is pulling a lot of former Primavera attendees who would have stayed at the two main stages in the past.
Post by Phyre Fest on Jan 18, 2018 18:29:33 GMT -5
I dont remember any long lines when I was at Primavera in 2016 for food/drink either. I mean hell, if you're drinking beer, they literally have people walking around with keg backpacks who will fill your cup for you in the damn crowd. Ive never seen that done anywhere else, and it was fucking delightful!
They also have the urinals for the guys so I never had to wait in some crazy line for a porto.
As far as the main stages, it didnt really bother me much at all, infact I kind of liked it (outside of the fact that it was a bit of a hike from the rest of the stages). If you wanted to grab a good spot at the opposing stage, they would even stream the current performance on the other stages screens, and of course you can easily hear everything.
I thought the crowd (other than the talkers during Radiohead) were incredibly respectful and friendly.
I can't really comment on transportation to/from the fest as I had a hotel within walking distance, but as was already mentioned, if you stay for the entire festival each night, then public transport is up and running by the time you walk out.
Went ahead and pulled the trigger on tickets for this before the price jump. And the more I look at the Mad Cool lineup the less amazing it looks:
Pearl Jam, Jack White - seen before, don't seem like acts worth flying to Spain for Depeche Mode - just saw last year and was slightly disappointed QOTSA & NIN - just saw both last year Alice in Chains - never seen but again doesn't seem worth flying to Spain for Tame Impala - seen a handful of times at festivals the past few years etc etc
And if you look at it the MC lineup is not very diverse, in many senses of the word. Judging by past Primavera lineups I expect it to be a little more eclectic. Here's hoping
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Post by Billadelphia on Jan 19, 2018 10:09:27 GMT -5
How's VIP value here? Is it worth it for the VIP viewing areas compared to how crowded GA is? Seems like it may come down to the quantity and quality of the backstage parties.
How's VIP value here? Is it worth it for the VIP viewing areas compared to how crowded GA is? Seems like it may come down to the quantity and quality of the backstage parties.
I did VIP last year and going again this year.
As someone who couldnt afford VIP for Coachella, we decided to go VIP for Primavera and it was totally worth it.
The VIP garden in between the two stages is pretty awesome. Slightly cheaper booze. Decent views and sound. There was one dip in sound last year due to wind but that was it. As someone who is 5'6 being able to get to the front of the main stages was really really cool. Especially when one of them as a direct path from VIP beer garden to the VIP area in front of the stage.
It was surreal for us to firstly, watch Aphex that close but also beside Bon Iver smoking weed and Flylo pretty much in tears and awe at Aphex. The next night at Jamie XX we chatted to Romy who was a total sweatheart.
So, views, the beer gardens (the was on real chill garden across the bridge) the people...its totally worth it. Apparently there will be a backstage parties area this year with a pool and restaurant. I am fairly sure its going to be in the new Cafe Del Mar but I could be wrong.
The only downside is sometimes the VIP viewing areas will reach capacity. Bands like Arcade Fire and XX etc... were packed out but...you can just watch them from the beer garden. It got a bit wild during arcade fire , there were bags of coke just being passed around at one stage.
How's VIP value here? Is it worth it for the VIP viewing areas compared to how crowded GA is? Seems like it may come down to the quantity and quality of the backstage parties.
I did VIP last year and going again this year.
As someone who couldnt afford VIP for Coachella, we decided to go VIP for Primavera and it was totally worth it.
The VIP garden in between the two stages is pretty awesome. Slightly cheaper booze. Decent views and sound. There was one dip in sound last year due to wind but that was it. As someone who is 5'6 being able to get to the front of the main stages was really really cool. Especially when one of them as a direct path from VIP beer garden to the VIP area in front of the stage.
It was surreal for us to firstly, watch Aphex that close but also beside Bon Iver smoking weed and Flylo pretty much in tears and awe at Aphex. The next night at Jamie XX we chatted to Romy who was a total sweatheart.
So, views, the beer gardens (the was on real chill garden across the bridge) the people...its totally worth it. Apparently there will be a backstage parties area this year with a pool and restaurant. I am fairly sure its going to be in the new Cafe Del Mar but I could be wrong.
The only downside is sometimes the VIP viewing areas will reach capacity. Bands like Arcade Fire and XX etc... were packed out but...you can just watch them from the beer garden. It got a bit wild during arcade fire , there were bags of coke just being passed around at one stage.
Anyway, id say do it.
Thanks, this was really helpful. Didn't realize the backstage thing was new this year. I'd read about surprise shows, and assumed they were related. Speaking of which, does word about surprise shows get out pretty easily?
As someone who couldnt afford VIP for Coachella, we decided to go VIP for Primavera and it was totally worth it.
The VIP garden in between the two stages is pretty awesome. Slightly cheaper booze. Decent views and sound. There was one dip in sound last year due to wind but that was it. As someone who is 5'6 being able to get to the front of the main stages was really really cool. Especially when one of them as a direct path from VIP beer garden to the VIP area in front of the stage.
It was surreal for us to firstly, watch Aphex that close but also beside Bon Iver smoking weed and Flylo pretty much in tears and awe at Aphex. The next night at Jamie XX we chatted to Romy who was a total sweatheart.
So, views, the beer gardens (the was on real chill garden across the bridge) the people...its totally worth it. Apparently there will be a backstage parties area this year with a pool and restaurant. I am fairly sure its going to be in the new Cafe Del Mar but I could be wrong.
The only downside is sometimes the VIP viewing areas will reach capacity. Bands like Arcade Fire and XX etc... were packed out but...you can just watch them from the beer garden. It got a bit wild during arcade fire , there were bags of coke just being passed around at one stage.
Anyway, id say do it.
Thanks, this was really helpful. Didn't realize the backstage thing was new this year. I'd read about surprise shows, and assumed they were related. Speaking of which, does word about surprise shows get out pretty easily?
Ya you get enough notice. The Arcade Fire one was rumored for days.
The secret shows were a bigger deal last year and I know they will continue this year. For example, Id imagine Bjork does a dj set somewhere
There are also the club shows which VIP gets preferential access to. I flew out after my friends but they went to a club show every night. There was normally queues but they just walked in.
We had 3 of us last year, this year its 6. Im from Ireland and just moved to Toronto so its going to be a bit expensive for me but its 100% worth it. I think our Coachella crew (most live in Florida) are now all starting to realize Europe is where its at....pitty they couldnt fucking realize that when I was living there.
Yes, in both 2016 and 2017 PS was sold out in January.
2016 took them 9 days since the announcement (mostly because of Radiohead's presence, I assume?).
In 2017 it was sold out in less than six weeks, announced by January 10th.
As a caveat to this, day tickets were available til March and one of them didn't sell out until May (forget what day).
so if you want the option value of going without getting a full pass, day tickets should be available later if you want to pay a bit more (e.g. full fest ticket might be $200 and 3 day passes are $75 each or something).
I just did GA, but talked to a bunch of people throughout the weekend that raved about VIP. From what I learned about VIP, if I go again I would 100% do VIP without even thinking.
On secret shows:
Maybe I'm an idiot but the Arcade Fire show took me by surprise. I knew it was going to happen some point, but didn't realize it would be that early at that point. I didn't have great awareness early on, though, so I may have just dropped the ball not checking the app/reddit while pre-gaming for the fest. Prima is really into not doing the same thing twice, but the way it worked last year, was the app would start flashing around an hour before a secret show announcement, then it would be announced like 30 mins before "officially." But both the Mogwai and HAIM shows leaked the day before on twitter so we were well aware of both. If you just have general awareness, you'll be fine.
The only problem I had with talkers was during Radiohead a few years ago. I moved to 4 different spots in the crowd to get away from it, and eventually worked my way towards the front on the left side, and absolutely blew up on some drunk brit couple who were yapping/laughing loudly behind me towards the end.
