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Set in 1979 — in the early days of criminal psychology and criminal profiling at the Federal Bureau of Investigation[4] — Mindhunter revolves around FBI agents Holden Ford (Jonathan Groff) and Bill Tench (Holt McCallany), who interview imprisoned serial killers in order to understand how such criminals think and apply this knowledge to solving ongoing cases.
I caught the first two episodes so far. It's okay. Kind of like the X Files without anything supernatural going on. And without Scully. And everybody smokes.
I was going to start watching this but I fell down a very weird wormhole on the internet (which I will probably post about in Random Thoughts tomorrow because it's that fucking strange), but now that it's 3AM, I'm gonna have to sleep.
Just watched the first two episodes, and I cannot say I'm shocked... I really like it. It's nice to see Fincher back to doing what I think is his forte, the procedural/thriller. Great acting, solid writing, and film quality technical production highlight this, and the subject matter and some grizzly imagery make this a really unnerving watch, thus far. I'll probably finish this up by mid-week.
but its been a few days since i finished it, so just remind me.... do we find out what happens with the St. Louis guy? Are we supposed to assume that he killed someone or that he chickened out? I don't know if I missed something or if it was intentionally ambiguous or if I'm just slow...
Really happy for this show to be coming back in less than two weeks. Love that the guy who played Manson in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is reprising the role here, although apparently he shot his scenes here first.
Based on the first season I would probably rate this as my favorite on-going show right now. Hoping 2nd season delivers.
Really happy for this show to be coming back in less than two weeks. Love that the guy who played Manson in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is reprising the role here, although apparently he shot his scenes here first.
Based on the first season I would probably rate this as my favorite on-going show right now. Hoping 2nd season delivers.
Also pretty hype for this one. I got on board with the first season late but plan to watch this one not long after it premieres.
First episode of season 2 is Fincher at his best. Cold open is splendid and the ending is hilariously good. Reading a lot that says this season is better than the last.
Also saw in a video somewhere where Fincher says by making Mindhunter he wishes he could go back to make Zodiac a series, saying it was asking too much of the audience to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes with no closure.
I just finished ep 2. Cap'n Mac isn't into this show, so I can only watch a couple episodes at a time, but I'm digging this season so far. I regret not rewatching S1 before starting this one though bc I felt a little lost going into ep1. Took me a minute to remember who some of the characters were and what they were talking about.
Also saw in a video somewhere where Fincher says by making Mindhunter he wishes he could go back to make Zodiac a series, saying it was asking too much of the audience to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes with no closure.
I just finished ep 2. Cap'n Mac isn't into this show, so I can only watch a couple episodes at a time, but I'm digging this season so far. I regret not rewatching S1 before starting this one though bc I felt a little lost going into ep1. Took me a minute to remember who some of the characters were and what they were talking about.
I watched a couple of YouTube recaps of season 1 to get ready. My girlfriend really isnt into dark stuff so I'm also watching this one solo, and didnt have the time to rewatch season 1.
I just finished ep 2. Cap'n Mac isn't into this show, so I can only watch a couple episodes at a time, but I'm digging this season so far. I regret not rewatching S1 before starting this one though bc I felt a little lost going into ep1. Took me a minute to remember who some of the characters were and what they were talking about.
You do you boo. If you need me, I’ll be in the other room binging Cutthroat Kitchen and Cash Cab.
Also saw in a video somewhere where Fincher says by making Mindhunter he wishes he could go back to make Zodiac a series, saying it was asking too much of the audience to sit through 2 hours and 45 minutes with no closure.
I'd still watch that.
This is actually how I describe this series to others, Zodiac the series.
I thought it was a bit of a stretch as well, but I thought it fit in well, thematically with what Manson was saying about how our kids learn everything from us, which served its purpose well to unravel Tench. I love how at the beginning of the season we think it is Holden that will not be able to handle the interviews going forward, but it is actually Tench who is caving in.
Anyway I'm also only 5 episodes in aso so this could all still change.
Five episodes in. I don’t care for the storyline that his kid is a serial killer in the making. Too cliche.
I don’t think that’s the area they’re exploring. I think it’ll go more down the nature vs. nurture route. The kid is adopted, kind of a loner, etc. he’s got all the early markers. But can addressing problematic behavior be treated early on to prevent future violence? I think that’s what they’re exploring without explicitly saying it.
I’m on ep 11, watching the final 2 when I get home right now.
Still annoyed at the lack of info on the St Louis guy. They’ve been teasing that investigation for 2 seasons now but they haven’t fully committed to it. I’m to a point where BTK either needs to be the focus or not. Right now it just feels like a distraction and the cause of a lot of jumping around. Hopefully they do something with it in the last 2 episodes.
Oh, and this may be a dumb question at this point. But is this based on true events? I thought the first season was supposed to be a dramatization of real events. The real people who investigated these serial killers and how those events actually unfolded. All the serial killers in the show are real, but is this still supposed to be how the actual events went down or have we diverted into a fictional story about true events?
Oh, and this may be a dumb question at this point. But is this based on true events? I thought the first season was supposed to be a dramatization of real events. The real people who investigated these serial killers and how those events actually unfolded. All the serial killers in the show are real, but is this still supposed to be how the actual events went down or have we diverted into a fictional story about true events?
I haven't googled too deeply because I want to avoid spoilers, but our three main characters (Holden, Tench, Carr) are based on real people. They really interviewed serial killers, really formed the BSU, really assisted in the ATL murders. But it seems that any of the personal storylines (Tench's kid, Carr's love life) are fictionalized for the show. In fact Carr never moved to Quantico, IRL she is married with children.
Still annoyed at the lack of info on the St Louis guy. They’ve been teasing that investigation for 2 seasons now but they haven’t fully committed to it. I’m to a point where BTK either needs to be the focus or not. Right now it just feels like a distraction and the cause of a lot of jumping around. Hopefully they do something with it in the last 2 episodes.
so much for resolution on that... hopefully the final scene of the final episode means they'll actually go into the investigation next season? but that's what i thought at the end of the last season, so prob not.
Spoiler'd in case you don't know real life stuff about BTK
So I google'd, bc I can't stand not knowing shit. I didn't realize BTK was only caught in 2005. So I guess an investigation/arrest isn't going to happen in this series. but I really don't understand why we keep getting brought back to him if they're going to investigate him. It's seriously driving me nuts. Was there a long investigation into him in the 80s? Is that what we're building up to? Like I said, i hate not knowing shit. I'll prob end up reading about him on my commutes now, tbh. Just your standard light morning read about serial killers. 😂
Anyways, overall thoughts on the season: It was good. Solid 7.5-8/10
I enjoyed the Atlanta Child Murders storyline, but it was maddening to see how they got their guy and then just ended it without further investigation. I feel bad for those kids' families. I would have to rewatch s1, but I think s1 was stronger overall. Maybe it's just bc the story and characters were new, but I found it more gripping than this season. I feel like they tried to fit a lot of personal life shit into this season which felt distracting at times. Mildly interested to see where Tench's story goes, but not really interested in Carr's lovelife, tbh.
Oh, and this may be a dumb question at this point. But is this based on true events? I thought the first season was supposed to be a dramatization of real events. The real people who investigated these serial killers and how those events actually unfolded. All the serial killers in the show are real, but is this still supposed to be how the actual events went down or have we diverted into a fictional story about true events?
It is based on true events and on the real people. I fell down that rabbit hole last night after watching the whole second season in two days. They have reopened the Atlanta case as of just last month. The real Holden says he feels that the one they arrested killed SOME of the children, but not all. Both men are still alive and Williams still maintains his innocence. I found out last night that a book I read years ago is based on Edmund Kemper.
Ending not as powerful as the first season, but all-in-all I found the last two episodes very engaging and cop procedural at its finest. I do wish there was a bit more focus on the "mind" element with the serial killers. Hopefully we will get more of that in a third season. I think they could have benefitted from another episode, something tying everything back to the beginning of the season with Holden's panic attacks and the overall ickiness of Director Gunn. The season felt just a little incomplete with too sudden of a non-conclusive ending. But I really liked all of the Atlanta stuff. Probably my favorite show going right now and easily the best drama on Netflix.
Okay, so my friend was binge watching this last week and recommended it to me (not even knowing there was already a thread for this, which makes it even cooler.
I really like how it's shot and coloured (really like that yellow/beige texture) and overall directed, the cast is okay nothing special tbh (though I like Ed, he's strangely interesting for what he's done and I kinda dislike what Stacey Rosa has done with Nancy, she's plair and portrays her like a cardboard). The opening credits are just a skip for me (which is normally not a thing I do tbh), it's boring and slow and I wish they'd done that better plus with the song choice, but whatever.
s1 thoughts; I really liked the dynamic between Holden and Debbie though it ultimately let to nothing, which is sad cause I liked her insights influencing Holden and vise versa. The cases were good, especially when Holden was with Ed or the ones with Brudos. The tickling school director was litteraly the worst to watch lmao, what the hell was that? I really liked their chemistry though I still don't understand what triggered his panic attack? Was he seeking comfort after he got dumped? Was it the fear that he thought Ed was going to attack him?
s2 thoughts: So those panic attacks ultimately lead to nothing, which is dissappointing. Even the results of Debbie breaking up with him is barely mentioned nor has it seems to have influenced his workflow whatsoever (which IS the case with Bill and Bryan). I wish we could've seen more of Holden dealing with that break up in the same way Bill has been more of a father and partner figure since the Bryan thing happend and the consulting after. I don't really like that they're hinting of Bryan becoming something like Bill's studying, it's kind of cliché though it doesn't always have to evolve into something like that when kids are rightly guided. I honestly didn't care for Manson. It probably looked cool on paper but it felt like a check list-name in comparison to the other serial killers they've been talking to like Speck or Ed or whatever and to me didn't ad much to the story. I wish there was more psychological talk between the three like in s1, now they're just going their own way and do their study.. that until the black children killer, which was okay but as engaging to me as some of the cases in s1 (I think there was just to much happening at the same time for my liking). Plus the ending was rather dissappointing, but I guess you can't always catch the bad guy, hm. And then Wendy got fleshed out a little more, which I quite liked but I'd loved to see a bit more of her rather than this one dimensional love interest to fill the void that Debbie has left.
The BTK plotline is cool, though the pacing is to slow for me but I like that he was the intro to (I think) every episode thus far which constantly keeps us wondering, but I feel like.. Is he going to be the central person they're going to go after (in s3) or what?
It was interesting for sure, and the psychological aswell as the hystorical context (the Atlante case for example) add up to the overall concept.. But apart from this and the really scenic cinematography, what does it differ from any other NCIS-type of show? It lost it edge after a couple of episodes for me and never truly reeled me in to keep on looking with them for that one killer they're working on. Idk.
I’m glad you said that about the opening credits. It’s good to get you into the creepy mood, but I always find myself skipping it after a few seconds. I also just find the flashes of images to be unnecessarily grotesque and unnerving, but not in a good way.
I’m glad you said that about the opening credits. It’s good to get you into the creepy mood, but I always find myself skipping it after a few seconds. I also just find the flashes of images to be unnecessarily grotesque and unnerving, but not in a good way.
Have you seen Dark? Those opening credits + song choice are an amazing fit. This one is just grey (agreed on those snippets, they make it look like some sort of Bones thing where the guys have to solve some kind of murder when the show is not about that) and the classical/ambient piece doesnt fit at all lol.
Netflix has reportedly released the contracts for all of the cast of Mindhunter, but hasn't cancelled the series itself, leaving the option for a third season on the table.
The reason being that David Fincher's slate is pretty full with his film Mank and then producing a second season of Love, Death, and Robots, so they didn't feel it fair to keep the actors locked in, preventing them from seeking other work.
Seems hopeful that we will eventually get a season 3, but probably not for several years.
