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You people talk too fucking much. My God, I put up a lot of posts in my games and even I felt judgy.
yeah i felt like at some point i was like woah ive posted a lot, but on the other hand, any kind of slowing down/going silent is essentially a death sentence here so idk, its tough.
Post by potentpotables on Jan 12, 2018 10:48:45 GMT -5
Honestly the town talking so much is sort of what condemned me. I couldn't reasonably pop in after my wedding day for example and construct a theory. This is why the town talking helps the town win.
Honestly the town talking so much is sort of what condemned me. I couldn't reasonably pop in after my wedding day for example and construct a theory. This is why the town talking helps the town win.
I really think this needs to be tattooed on townies as a reminder, along with look for town in addition to who is mafia.
Honestly the town talking so much is sort of what condemned me. I couldn't reasonably pop in after my wedding day for example and construct a theory. This is why the town talking helps the town win.
I really think this needs to be tattooed on townies as a reminder, along with look for town in addition to who is mafia.
I should have said "post" instead of "talk" I guess. Or course silence is deadly in this game but there is a balance. I'll take 10 large well thought out posts over 25 random observations and just posting every little theory that comes to your head. Some organization and clarity helps a lot later in the game. Which you are pretty good at doing since you're an English major.
When you get to 30 or 40 pages it's almost impossible to read back through and get a clear idea of everything unless you don't have a job or are just super committed. Sometimes it's hard to get a true understanding of were people stand if they post everything they are thinking.
I'm just as guilty of this as anybody. I'm just saying from an outsiders perspective I felt there were times in this game were I had no clear idea what some folks believed because the game got so diluted and spun 100 different ways. Which can be just as much a detriment to the town as silence.
I really think this needs to be tattooed on townies as a reminder, along with look for town in addition to who is mafia.
I should have said "post" instead of "talk" I guess. Or course silence is deadly in this game but there is a balance. I'll take 10 large well thought out posts over 25 random observations and just posting every little theory that comes to your head. Some organization and clarity helps a lot later in the game. Which you are pretty good at doing since you're an English major.
When you get to 30 or 40 pages it's almost impossible to read back through and get a clear idea of everything unless you don't have a job or are just super committed. Sometimes it's hard to get a true understanding of were people stand if they post everything they are thinking.
I'm just as guilty of this as anybody. I'm just saying from an outsiders perspective I felt there were times in this game were I had no clear idea what some folks believed because the game got so diluted and spun 100 different ways. Which can be just as much a detriment to the town as silence.
Fully agree. The search function changed life when that was implemented. Once the game has progressed, rereads typically are done by poster, where I can search for posts by, then put in a name. Some people post a lot of fluff, so it makes it easier to skim through that and dive much deeper into the content posts. If you want to see how powerful it is, search for posts by Zolah and see how much content vs fluff. Same for Potent. Jaz comments directly on the game but you can see him straddling more.
I keep a separate tab open with the full game, and if there is something of substance, I go to the time stamp and read it in context.
But Zolah was not luck. The cheating discussion actually really tipped the hand here, but people got caught up in the Viking is a dick narrative. I never actually said she cheated, but she kept ignoring that and saying I said she was a cheater.
You didn't cheat and it is fine to talk outside the game as long as it is not content related to the game itself.
1 - You are a regular Bonnie and Clyde with your sidekick still to be found
2 - Scofflaws breaking a much bigger rule than #3
Is this not you calling us both mafia or cheaters? And we weren't both mafia. You can argue what you meant by#2, but it absolutely implied cheating in my eyes. It was one of the comments that made me get even more defensive about the whole cheating argument.
Also, knowing Zolah as a player and a person, she would have made the page 1 or 2 cheating comment if she was town. If you figured her out later, good on you, but I gotta call luck from the start. Zolah and Thor both pointed out<edit> who kept ignoring things long after I was dead.
Anyhow, 110 is over. Must defend my woman, even though I'm glad she lost.
Good job Thor, but no thanks for the suspense at the end. Lol.
Last Edit: Jan 12, 2018 11:47:26 GMT -5 by JR - Back to Top
But Zolah was not luck. The cheating discussion actually really tipped the hand here, but people got caught up in the Viking is a dick narrative. I never actually said she cheated, but she kept ignoring that and saying I said she was a cheater.
You didn't cheat and it is fine to talk outside the game as long as it is not content related to the game itself.
1 - You are a regular Bonnie and Clyde with your sidekick still to be found
2 - Scofflaws breaking a much bigger rule than #3
Is this not you calling us both mafia or cheaters? And we weren't both mafia. You can argue what you meant by#2, but it absolutely implied cheating in my eyes. It was one of the comments that made me get even more defensive about the whole cheating argument.
Also, knowing Zolah as a player and a person, she would have made the page 1 or 2 cheating comment if she was town. If you figured her out later, good on you, but I gotta call luck from the start. Zolah and Thor both pointed out<edit> who kept ignoring things long after I was dead.
Anyhow, 110 is over. Must defend my woman, even though I'm glad she lost.
Good job Thor, but no thanks for the suspense at the end. Lol.
Yeap. I'll even quote the post I made day 1 on the whole thing when Dan asked why I was moving away from you as mafia. I explained that post way back in that I artificially limited your choices to see what you would say. You passed. Zolah didn't. From there, it was a downhill slope for her.
As far as I’m concerned if LD hasn’t closed it then the round is still open. That being said I think that jr is more suspicious than zolah. You said your feelings about him are changing. Can you expand more on that? Legitimately asking.
Yeap.
I started probing JR and voted for him for voting for you. It was different than what he did in 105 and seemed out of character. I am also always suspicious of people who vote for you early. There are a handful of people who for various reason tend to get targeted to be set up by the mafia and you are one of them. In rereading though, as I probed, he laid out the sequence in which he did things pretty clearly, answered the questions completely and nothing he really said was dishonest. The cheating conversation was interesting, but ultimately, he tried to clear it up and move on. It was just targeting you that really was left and ultimately, you do make some interesting moves.
When Zolah jumped in to help explain, JR fades out a bit. She really took all the things I was probing and blew them into major issues. I think she is using him as cover and some of the remaining suspicion I have of him is based on things she actually said, but that is a separate issue.
The next JR moment is the vote switching to tainted, which he got criticized for, but it actually helps him in my mind. Tainted had not posted much, had tripled up on someone, and JR was trying something different. If he is / was mafia, why put himself way out there like that when you are an easier target to defend voting for given he had a reason for voting for you? Tainted is interesting because of the triple stack so he could have thought he could transfer suspicion, but again, you were a much easier target. It just feels like the move was from honest intent to look at Tainted and that feeling strengthens every time I reread the sequence.
Then switching back to you and starting your running argument doubled down on the suspicion. This was actually the whole impetus behind the 3 of you being mafia together because it feel so suspicious as to be fabricated to deliberately separate you two. In addition, not much of substance is said in this whole exchange as it slides more to personal insults than game play making it seem even more contrived. But at the end of the day, feelings just could have been hurt and people get sucked into the paranoia of the game. You both had been in the spotlight all game which adds to stress and tension. Him complaining about me sledgehammering him reinforces it because I had not even really used a ball-pin hammer on him, but says he has been on the defensive from the start and not be able to really breathe. Everything he has done has been second guessed.
He also again, covers for Zolah. He is right, I hold everyone to a different standard. A much lower standard than I hold myself. His "Viking is picking on Zolah" comments are to be expected in the frame of their relationship, but Zolah actually lies and even admits she frames words differently than how I write them. However, again, given their relationship, it is to be expected. Kind of similar to how LLL used her fiance dying of cancer to try and hide her being mafia. I wouldn't expect anything different from him than for him to defend her if she was saying I was picking on her. Zolah is an entire separate conversation though.
Am I convinced he is a townie? No. Just as I never definitively said ZIG was a townie, and simply felt he may be. But I am much less convinced he is mafia every reread. It seems like a mafia member may have drafted on my initial suspicions and he is getting targeted at this point instead of a true mafia feel. Again, could be wrong, but that is how I feel.
Better that you decide and not someone who is in the game.
I agree, which is why I flipped it back to the ref. Any decision I would have made - or indeed the decision not to make a decision - could be used against me if affected parties turned out to be Mafia. So I kinda resent being asked to make a ruling, tbh.
asking jaz (mafia) to rule if zolah (mafia) should be advanced should also be a huge no going forward.
I don't think that the ref shouldn't be able to get a second opinion, but it should come from a player out of the game and just be an opinion, SFA, LLL, etc.
Post by potentpotables on Jan 12, 2018 13:14:44 GMT -5
While we are mentioning things that shouldn't happen during a game, rules discussions in that specific thread seem inappropriate to me. I've done it before I think and maybe I had a different perspective as a townie, but it seemed out of bounds to me this game as a mafia member.
While we are mentioning things that shouldn't happen during a game, rules discussions in that specific thread seem inappropriate to me. I've done it before I think and maybe I had a different perspective as a townie, but it seemed out of bounds to me this game as a mafia member.
Fully agree. I get why it happened and I don't think it affected this game, but if I remember correctly, KDogg tried to use it in a previous game to clear himself. And I can see that feeling being even stronger as mafia, since you are looking to control as many factors as you can. Any outside interference affects that and would be aggravating. I don't think it should be a new rule, just general awareness of the existing rules about not talking about the game outside the thread.
I really hope that we keep up the day 1 discussions in the next game. Making everyone contribute and give thoughts makes things much easier for town
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