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Is this not you calling us both mafia or cheaters? And we weren't both mafia. You can argue what you meant by#2, but it absolutely implied cheating in my eyes. It was one of the comments that made me get even more defensive about the whole cheating argument.
Also, knowing Zolah as a player and a person, she would have made the page 1 or 2 cheating comment if she was town. If you figured her out later, good on you, but I gotta call luck from the start. Zolah and Thor both pointed out<edit> who kept ignoring things long after I was dead.
Anyhow, 110 is over. Must defend my woman, even though I'm glad she lost.
Good job Thor, but no thanks for the suspense at the end. Lol.
Yeap. I'll even quote the post I made day 1 on the whole thing when Dan asked why I was moving away from you as mafia. I explained that post way back in that I artificially limited your choices to see what you would say. You passed. Zolah didn't. From there, it was a downhill slope for her.
I started probing JR and voted for him for voting for you. It was different than what he did in 105 and seemed out of character. I am also always suspicious of people who vote for you early. There are a handful of people who for various reason tend to get targeted to be set up by the mafia and you are one of them. In rereading though, as I probed, he laid out the sequence in which he did things pretty clearly, answered the questions completely and nothing he really said was dishonest. The cheating conversation was interesting, but ultimately, he tried to clear it up and move on. It was just targeting you that really was left and ultimately, you do make some interesting moves.
When Zolah jumped in to help explain, JR fades out a bit. She really took all the things I was probing and blew them into major issues. I think she is using him as cover and some of the remaining suspicion I have of him is based on things she actually said, but that is a separate issue.
The next JR moment is the vote switching to tainted, which he got criticized for, but it actually helps him in my mind. Tainted had not posted much, had tripled up on someone, and JR was trying something different. If he is / was mafia, why put himself way out there like that when you are an easier target to defend voting for given he had a reason for voting for you? Tainted is interesting because of the triple stack so he could have thought he could transfer suspicion, but again, you were a much easier target. It just feels like the move was from honest intent to look at Tainted and that feeling strengthens every time I reread the sequence.
Then switching back to you and starting your running argument doubled down on the suspicion. This was actually the whole impetus behind the 3 of you being mafia together because it feel so suspicious as to be fabricated to deliberately separate you two. In addition, not much of substance is said in this whole exchange as it slides more to personal insults than game play making it seem even more contrived. But at the end of the day, feelings just could have been hurt and people get sucked into the paranoia of the game. You both had been in the spotlight all game which adds to stress and tension. Him complaining about me sledgehammering him reinforces it because I had not even really used a ball-pin hammer on him, but says he has been on the defensive from the start and not be able to really breathe. Everything he has done has been second guessed.
He also again, covers for Zolah. He is right, I hold everyone to a different standard. A much lower standard than I hold myself. His "Viking is picking on Zolah" comments are to be expected in the frame of their relationship, but Zolah actually lies and even admits she frames words differently than how I write them. However, again, given their relationship, it is to be expected. Kind of similar to how LLL used her fiance dying of cancer to try and hide her being mafia. I wouldn't expect anything different from him than for him to defend her if she was saying I was picking on her. Zolah is an entire separate conversation though.
Am I convinced he is a townie? No. Just as I never definitively said ZIG was a townie, and simply felt he may be. But I am much less convinced he is mafia every reread. It seems like a mafia member may have drafted on my initial suspicions and he is getting targeted at this point instead of a true mafia feel. Again, could be wrong, but that is how I feel.
You called me a cheater. I pointed it out. You just changed the subject entirely to how good you are at finding mafia.
Yeap. I'll even quote the post I made day 1 on the whole thing when Dan asked why I was moving away from you as mafia. I explained that post way back in that I artificially limited your choices to see what you would say. You passed. Zolah didn't. From there, it was a downhill slope for her.
You called me a cheater. I pointed it out. You just changed the subject entirely to how good you are at finding mafia.
Go back and look. Never did bud. But game is over and I seriously don't care.
I did go back. I did look. And I quoted you. You said I was either Clyde (a.k.a. mafia) or I did worse than break an actual rule ("scofflaws breaking a much bigger rule than #3"). That's calling me a cheater. Are you saying breaking rules isn't cheating? You say you don't care, yet you're not owning up and you're not shutting up. Seriously, stop caring for real, because I know you won't get off your imaginary high horse.
Go back and look. Never did bud. But game is over and I seriously don't care.
I did go back. I did look. And I quoted you. You said I was either Clyde (a.k.a. mafia) or I did worse than break an actual rule ("scofflaws breaking a much bigger rule than #3"). That's calling me a cheater. Are you saying breaking rules isn't cheating? You say you don't care, yet you're not owning up and you're not shutting up. Seriously, stop caring for real, because I know you won't get off your imaginary high horse.
Shrug. You just proved my point. Saying either or when being mafia would not be cheating is not saying you are a cheater. And I explained why I did it.
And I don't ride a horse. I ride an imaginary ice dragon to my throne on the peaks of neverwhere land where I rule with my wife Taarna.
They are the perfect size. About a DD. A man sized handful.
They keep changing sizes was what I was getting at.
South Park has warped my memory, maybe.
Well, they had to upsize for boobopolis. I mean it is in the name. But yeah I went back and watched it a bit last night and they do change size a few times
When did you turn into such an asshole? Are you taking playing tips from Viking? You're a big part of the reason I'm not interested in the next game. Townies who are so tunnel visioned that they lie about other townies. It didn't make any sense to me at the time. Then you were surprised I wasn't mafia at the end? Wow dude... just bad... Viking was part of the reason town won, you weren't. ZIG may have been wrong, but he tried harder than you did as far as I could tell. You need to take a step back.
Also, ZIG is right. Viking instigates unnecessarily and makes the game not fun for a lot of people. I'd rather enjoy the game than know others aren't.
When did you turn into such an asshole? Are you taking playing tips from Viking? You're a big part of the reason I'm not interested in the next game. Townies who are so tunnel visioned that they lie about other townies. It didn't make any sense to me at the time. Then you were surprised I wasn't mafia at the end? Wow dude... just bad... Viking was part of the reason town won, you weren't. ZIG may have been wrong, but he tried harder than you did as far as I could tell. You need to take a step back.
Also, ZIG is right. Viking instigates unnecessarily and makes the game not fun for a lot of people. I'd rather enjoy the game than know others aren't.
I said what I believed at the time. At the start I have no information, same as every townie. It’s not lying when I don’t know who Mafia is. It obviously doesn’t make sense in hindsight because you ended up being town. I’m sorry I ruined this game for you but I don’t see how I was being an asshole.
As for zig - I wouldn’t call him not listening to reason as trying harder than me. When I almost voted off Thor instead of potent I changed my mind when I thought about it from a different perspective. Zig didn’t do that.
As for Viking I agree he could tone it down a bit with the insults.
When did you turn into such an asshole? Are you taking playing tips from Viking? You're a big part of the reason I'm not interested in the next game. Townies who are so tunnel visioned that they lie about other townies. It didn't make any sense to me at the time. Then you were surprised I wasn't mafia at the end? Wow dude... just bad... Viking was part of the reason town won, you weren't. ZIG may have been wrong, but he tried harder than you did as far as I could tell. You need to take a step back.
Also, ZIG is right. Viking instigates unnecessarily and makes the game not fun for a lot of people. I'd rather enjoy the game than know others aren't.
This is way off. Dan was much more on target and tries a lot harder. As for tunneled, ZIG is the poster child for tunneled in addition to being wildly wrong.
Dan helped us win in spite of the handicap that was ZIG. Maybe, just maybe, some people who play like to win and find THAT enjoyable. Or we can all do it your way, where everyone is in a safe space, never made uncomfortable, and the town will lose another 10 in a row.
Dan was one of the more impressive players last game IMO.
