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Sufjan Stevens, Nico Muhly, Bryce Dessner and James McCalister performing Planetarium has been drafted.
The first rule is:
1) Only "active" or potentially active acts can be drafted. If you're planning on booking a reunion, you need to demonstrate that there is a reasonable reason to believe that it could happen. (This rules out Talking Heads, for example.) An artist is considered "active" if they have had or will have public performances between 1/1/15 and 12/31/19. (This eliminates things like Rock and Roll Hall of fame performances, one-offs for benefits, awards show reunions, etc.) An artist would be considered inactive if they don't meet the live performance requirements or if there is credible documentation that an act has broken up, has no plans of touring, are focusing on other projects, does not play in this country, etc.
It has been argued that this project is inactive, has no plans of touring and/or members are focusing on other projects and should not be active.
This project was performed live 7/10/17, 7/18/17, 7/20/17 and 7/21/17.
I think they are draftable, and according to the rules The National is his. As someone else mentioned, there is no point in changing the rules in the middle of the game.
I think they are draftable, and according to the rules The National is his. As someone else mentioned, there is no point in changing the rules in the middle of the game.
theres literally a rule to change rules. as previously pointed out.
I think they are draftable, and according to the rules The National is his. As someone else mentioned, there is no point in changing the rules in the middle of the game.
I think they are draftable, and according to the rules The National is his. As someone else mentioned, there is no point in changing the rules in the middle of the game.
I don't care I'm just saying your rules are dumb.
I agree they are dumb, and when I proposed to change something a week ago, some people jumped on me.
We gotta discuss the rules more deliberately next time, before we start on anything. I am actually volunteering to open that thread.
Last Edit: Feb 12, 2018 13:09:53 GMT -5 by Fred - Back to Top
I think they are draftable, and according to the rules The National is his. As someone else mentioned, there is no point in changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Again, to clarify the rule. You are drafting an entity. All of the members of that entity are committed to only playing your festival that weekend. They cannot go and play anywhere else that weekend and so they are not available for other people to draft.
The Blur/Gorillaz example is the most obvious but I don't want to spend all of our time debating whether or not someone is "important" enough to an act to prevent a different act that they are in from playing elsewhere.
Post by Radius Claus on Feb 12, 2018 14:08:50 GMT -5
I guess it's legal, it's just lame. The way to do it would have been to draft Suf and the National, then do this in the free agents as I believe someone did last year.
Post by piggy pablo on Feb 12, 2018 15:57:51 GMT -5
I feel like the only way this doesn't pass is because people hate the exclusivity rule (I also hate the rule, but it's the rule). As far as whether Planetarium itself is eligible, it seems clear to me that they are. Can't force people to only consider that, though.
Again, to clarify the rule. You are drafting an entity. All of the members of that entity are committed to only playing your festival that weekend. They cannot go and play anywhere else that weekend and so they are not available for other people to draft.
The Blur/Gorillaz example is the most obvious but I don't want to spend all of our time debating whether or not someone is "important" enough to an act to prevent a different act that they are in from playing elsewhere.
If you vote no please explain what rule it breaks.
"if you vote no, unmask yourself so i can hurl insults at you, even though im not mad on the internet"
Wanted to come back to this earlier but I forgot. I don't think I've been rude or insulting to anyone throughout this ordeal so I thought this was pretty unfair. I also don't see the problem with wanting someone to explain the rule they think is being broken if they're contesting my pick.
"if you vote no, unmask yourself so i can hurl insults at you, even though im not mad on the internet"
Wanted to come back to this earlier but I forgot. I don't think I've been rude or insulting to anyone throughout this ordeal so I thought this was pretty unfair. I also don't see the problem with wanting someone to explain the rule they think is being broken if they're contesting my pick.
That's in the first post here. There's an argument that that the project is not active, has no plans of touring and/or the members are focusing on other projects. All of those would make it ineligible.
Planetarium is playing Eaux Claire. I’m not super familiar with the rules of the game but I fail to see how they would be ineligible. Anyway, this thread made me want to listen to Planetarium
Wanted to come back to this earlier but I forgot. I don't think I've been rude or insulting to anyone throughout this ordeal so I thought this was pretty unfair. I also don't see the problem with wanting someone to explain the rule they think is being broken if they're contesting my pick.
That's in the first post here. There's an argument that that the project is not active, has no plans of touring and/or the members are focusing on other projects. All of those would make it ineligible.
But my question is what rule is being broken since they've toured in the last three years and haven't broken up. I don't think any of this matters at this point since everyone already voted but that's why I asked originally.
I'm not saying that I agree with it I'm saying that it has been alleged that they are either no longer active, have no plans of touring and/or the members are focusing on other projects. That is the rule that is being used to question its eligibility.
"if you vote no, unmask yourself so i can hurl insults at you, even though im not mad on the internet"
Wanted to come back to this earlier but I forgot. I don't think I've been rude or insulting to anyone throughout this ordeal so I thought this was pretty unfair. I also don't see the problem with wanting someone to explain the rule they think is being broken if they're contesting my pick.
mostly jokes, throwing back to the not mad on the internet posts. fwiw I voted yes.
Ugh, I just typed out a better version of this post but Inforoo is being super glitchy right now so it didn't post....
It won't let me vote. But my issue was never that Planetarium "is inactive, has no plans of touring and/or members are focusing on other projects and should not be active." It's that Planetarium isn't a band, it's a collaboration project among individual artists. The fact that they only performed 4 times to support the release and then are only performing again at Dressner's own festival just goes to further support that they aren't a draftable band. I don't even care that it takes Sufjan or The National off the table for everyone else, that was never the issue. It's that Planetarium on its own isn't a band.
If you wanted Planetarium you should've done what was done with this exact project last year- draft Sufjan, draft The National, have them do Planetarium as a sort of "superjam", because that's basically what Planetarium is.
I agree they are dumb, and when I proposed to change something a week ago, some people jumped on me.
We gotta discuss the rules more deliberately next time, before we start on anything. I am actually volunteering to open that thread.
Just noticed this.
As I stated when I "jumped on" you, cdev tagged all of us who had signed up, including you, in the previous thread asking if we had any suggestions on rules. I brought up this exact scenario at that time that people are so up-in-arms about now. I've been opposed to this line of thinking since the early rounds of last year's draft, where I drafted Deadmau5 b2b Eric Prydz and let everyone know that they could have either solo if they wanted them. Both of those guys are probably bigger draws on their own, anyway. Deadmau5 has headlined this festival before. That's how much I hated this rule.
But it's the rule. Imo, we were given ample opportunity to consider and discuss this scenario, and most people were fine with it until it actually happened. I don't think we need to change anything about how we conduct ourselves in these drafts. We easily could have sorted this out beforehand and it's not something that couldn't have been or wasn't anticipated.
