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Finished the documentary last night and I thought it was pretty good. I thought it got off to a great start going through GV's history and pretty much up through the RATM reunion in 2007. I don't know why the documentary strayed from continuing down that path, though - would have loved to see the Prince stuff that rolled through the credits next, talked through the make or break decision to book Macca in 2009, walk through the decision to go to two weekends, the Stone Roses / Blur disaster, etc. etc. Instead the documentary did something the festival rarely does - got insular and focused on the genre of EDM for a while and the genre of rap for a while. I think that's the difference between GV producing this vs. a third party - there wasn't much "juicy" or "new" information, and it mostly focused on painting GV/Coachella as extremely innovative, pushing the envelope, diverse, etc. It isn't wrong and it's the message I'd be pushing if I made my own documentary, but was only "pretty good" viewing for someone who pretty much knew the story.
That being said, it did make me really miss the Polo Fields and really want to go back in October or next year, or whenever this is over.
I think the difference is that 99% of the people watching it have no idea of most things that occurred in the doc. So its fresh for everyone else and nobody is going to go digging around over this story and that story. And maybe it did go in the direction you would have liked but when it came to cutting it all down they chose the path they did. And you know that Prince sequence was primed for the middle of it to just jolt some electricity in there but I think leaving everyone with one last story and a killer performance was the goal. And yeah, theres a lot to dive into with booking the “old” acts, but again mightve just been cut out. Maybe a directors cut ends up being released and its like the 3 hours or something. And the ending just progressing to last year with kpop/global/diversity and such was sort of abrupt. They could have dug into the past line ups that had those same exotic type bookings but are only magnified right now because information gets out so quickly.
Yeah, to the point about the "Netflix mini series" I think you could have kind of sketched it out like this:
Ep 1: GV / Coachella beginnings through 2007 Ep 2: Expansion from 2008-2009 to global phenomenon Ep 3: EDM / electonic music (focus on Daft Punk) Ep 4: Rap / hiphop (focus on Snoop/Dre) Ep 5: Reunions and Coachella Ep 6: Diversity and the Future
Maybe that's overkill and only die-hards like us would have watched six ~45 minute episodes, though. To me, the most fascinating scene in the documentary was discussing the Bauhaus reunion - how PT called them, their reaction, what they wanted to do on-stage, etc. I think we could have had an hour like that with a dozen other acts. And re: timeline description, they waived over getting Dre/Snoop to play in like one sentence - there's a fascinating backstory of who dropped out, PT getting the idea, talking to Dre over the weekend, etc. - feels like they did well for a 100 minute doc, as this could have gone a dozen directions.
Yeah, to the point about the "Netflix mini series" I think you could have kind of sketched it out like this:
Ep 1: GV / Coachella beginnings through 2007 Ep 2: Expansion from 2008-2009 to global phenomenon Ep 3: EDM / electonic music (focus on Daft Punk) Ep 4: Rap / hiphop (focus on Snoop/Dre) Ep 5: Reunions and Coachella Ep 6: Diversity and the Future
Maybe that's overkill and only die-hards like us would have watched six ~45 minute episodes, though. To me, the most fascinating scene in the documentary was discussing the Bauhaus reunion - how PT called them, their reaction, what they wanted to do on-stage, etc. I think we could have had an hour like that with a dozen other acts. And re: timeline description, they waived over getting Dre/Snoop to play in like one sentence - there's a fascinating backstory of who dropped out, PT getting the idea, talking to Dre over the weekend, etc. - feels like they did well for a 100 minute doc, as this could have gone a dozen directions.
Yeah, easily couldve had a whole thing on acts getting the calls to get back and what is entailed with it plus their reactions. Like making the Pixies kind of a focal point where is that story on how it came about. But then is there even more backlash for the almosts? Kate Bush, Velvet Underground, Black Sabbath etc? Maybe there will be some answers from that AMA later today about if they did ask certain questions and what was covered, then just left out.
Also, I don't know if this was an inadvertent slip-up by the editors to include this line or a purposeful subconscious dig at FYF for some reason, but it was kind of odd they included one of the old Goldenvoice guy's lines to the effect of "we were so different from everyone else at early GV, those mainstream promoters were just so stuck on booking acts like Janet Jackson" in a derogatory way, when that's partly what doomed FYF 2.0.
Janet Jackson wasn’t what bankrupted FYF and I didn’t see that as shade because a decade later they booked Madonna. I think they were just showing that GV originally started out as being exclusively contrary to what was popular or safe and their alignment with the counterculture gave them their reputation
Calvin before Rage never made any sense, the "Calvin isn't as popular as 2016" narrative wouldn't have negated the fact that he'd still be a much bigger draw.
Just give me at least Charli -> RTJ -> Big Sean -> Hatsune Miku -> BROCKHAMPTON and I'm happy with Friday
So, was the Dani interviewed in the doc the same Dani from the message boards aka psychicfriend?
Yup! Still interested in hearing the real story of why Goldenvoice shut down the message board...that obviously wasn’t in the documentary.
I would guess there’s not much story here. They updated the website and it didn’t make sense to put the effort into porting/maintaining that part of the site given how Reddit had become the predominant place for watercooler chatter AND they didn’t need to pay for Reddit. That’s what I’ve assumed, at least.
Some of these explanations for how sets came about, Prince, Sunday Service, Madonna, are pretty funny cause they’re so obviously bullshit and trying not to make any artists/agents mad.
What do you think really happened with those bookings?
Me and my crew have moved our festivals to Primavera and Movement. Missed the last two Coachella's because the line up didn't really vibe with us. The documentary had us all talking about going back again. I miss the polo fields.
What was the make-or-break decision to book Macca?
Well it followed Paul T asking Anschutz if he still had his blessing for putting the fest on after Prince and such. Its in one of the last couple of La Times interviews and he gave some insight to some other times when it was on the brink.
Also, I don't know if this was an inadvertent slip-up by the editors to include this line or a purposeful subconscious dig at FYF for some reason, but it was kind of odd they included one of the old Goldenvoice guy's lines to the effect of "we were so different from everyone else at early GV, those mainstream promoters were just so stuck on booking acts like Janet Jackson" in a derogatory way, when that's partly what doomed FYF 2.0.
Not on purpose at all, its just what they used and likely never thought it would make anyone connect the dots to FYF having Janet before it died.
The mid 90's news clip of Joe Biden anti-Rave comment could be taken a few ways.
Likely edited months ago, so it's not some nod to Anschutz and his agenda.
Trolling for a viral news story to hype the film? Shading the democratic field of candidates that's now only Joe?
So if you look at the AMA it seems that the movie was going to be ready to go for last year and then they just hit some snags with rights clearances which made them decide to push it back to 2020. So at that point you had Biden saying he wasnt even going to run if you consider that they finished their edit probably early 2019? And wheres the hype on the clip? Is that everywhere? Are the Bernie Bros showing it every second they can to the apparent younger voting base ( thats not gonna vote anyway ) that he was anti rave? Is it being plastered on fox news everywhere? Nope, its just a part of the story. I laughed and figured a lot people watching it would think the same. And how would his opponent run an ad for that? “Joe Biden was against illegal parties that had underage drinking and illegal drugs”. So, what, the other guy is for illegal parties, illegal drugs and underage drinking? There is no spin. Its more props that they dug around that much to find the relevant pieces to tell their story. In the end though, the company and festival has a foundation from a mini drug empire, isnt that supposed to turn everyone off right there? Even the Goldenvoice name is a strain of weed. 🤷🏻♂️