2020 Incelroo Discussion and Support Thread

This is fair and you're right Bonnaroo could do more if it really wanted these artists, but I think that pointing to these two exceptions kind of proves my point as well. This is not something that happens all that frequently. Whether it is the artist's preference, or their management only wanting to book them so they look like a more traditional headliner closing a stage, I just think that some blame can go to both sides. 

The bottom 9 lines are just kinda there re: ACL. Not confident I’ll find much for me at the bottom even after some digging. The rest of the ones aren’t Coachella-deep, but there’s enough to keep me engaged throughout. Then the top lines are obviously super strong. It’s in my top 3 or so lineups of the year for sure.

I do think (and this has kinda been my argument all along) that if they went a similar route with Bonnaroo, then they might get close to old numbers again.

Less Electric Forest, more C3 city fest. Book The Other like the Perry Stage. Have some solid headliners with strong subs. Throw some cool shit in there to incite excitement amongst vets (more Comet is Coming and Little Simz caliber, buzz acts). Keep the country/folk thing going. Bottle it with community or whatever. More people will show up.

They're both good and I plan on going to both.

The headliners at Roo aren't nearly as good, especially if you're not a Phish phanatic. That's for sure.

But also consider that a decent chunk of those ACL acts are only either week 1 or 2

I know it’s a matter of taste but for me that Roo undercard is much deeper 🤷‍♂️

I think they’ve had their moment

Is Roo going to get bands like Tool now that Exit 111 is a thing? (Assuming it's a success)

Well since they got Tool back in ‘07 and they still sell tickets like crazy (fer reasons I will just never understand) I don’t think Exit 111 will have much of any bearin’ on future Bonnaroo’s. Also, since they’ve been talkin’ fer years now ‘bout doin’ more festivals/shows at Great Stage Park I would imagine they may try and diversify further lineups to differentiate between these two fests or others in the future.

I would hope ‘Roo continues to try and have a little bit of everythin’ from across the spectrum. Their (arguably) best and most successful years did this all too well.

I think you're being awfully optimistic about what it means for Roo, particularly its headliners, that there's a metal/hard rock festival on the same site a few months later. 2007 was some time ago. Bonnaroo has changed in several ways and made multiple pivots since then. GnR would have made for a mighty fine Bonnaroo headliner in years past, even maybe last year. Instead, they're headlining Louder Than Life Manchester. And Tool is even farther away from what I'd expect from a modern Bonnaroo.

I’m sure we all said we’d never expect modern Bonnaroo to book Phish last year too. Tool would be a sensible booking next to Tame and Kendrick imo. Not fully expecting it though, just a good top 3.

Idk that I wouldn't have expected it. They booked Dead and Co three years ago. But if they had a full-fledged throwback to early-Roo jam festival entirely separate from Bonnaroo in October I would definitely expect that festival to be the one that booked Phish, which is analogous to what we're talking about with Tool and Exit 111.

yeah I can see that too. But the only other reference I’m going by is Life Is Beautiful having Billie above VW on that lineup. But both are technically headliners there as well just LIB’s has opposed headliners. So in Roos standard maybe she could be 5th or even 4th or be happy being those and play mostly unopposed like this year with like how Childish and Phish are. Like her on the What when it’s dark right before Travis Scott or something. I dunno, I could totally see her being the stereotypical “she’s not a headliner yet” as well. We’ll just have to wait and see.

Agreed on the last part. I assume she was booked for ACL before dropping her album, and at time of booking I'm sure Cardi's profile was bigger. Billie has more success and therefore leverage now - courting that same group of artists that ACL has now would require a different strategy/cost. Coach HL Tame Impala is billed below Billie too.

As an aside, resale tickets for her shows are are ridiculous - mostly $250+ for the worst seats in smaller markets. Current low price at Radio City Music Hall is $491 on Stubhub. Someone can probably prove me wrong but of the top of my head I can't think of any artist in recent memory with nosebleeds reselling at a 900% markup.