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I'd say it's arguably one of the criteria. What was obvious a few weeks ago when the argument was started was the lack of depth in the positions other posters were taking in the argument. Whether that was by design or by knowledge is up for debate. Receptions certainly can be an indicator of greatness if anyone is doing it at a level that's never been done before. For instance, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss are the Top 4 all time in yardage. Rice is more than 6,000 yards ahead of Fitzgerald, so he's not going to be caught. By receptions it's Rice (Tony G who is a TE), Larry Fitz, Jason Witten (also TE) and Marvin Harrison. I think all 3 of the WR's in that list are three of the greatest of all time.
So if you fast forward to today, I don't think you'd get an argument from many people that Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time. He also played forever (19 years I think), but he's far ahead of anyone else in both yards and receptions. Rice has 1,549 catches all time, Larry Fitz @ 2nd (for WR) has 1,303. Rice has 22,895 yards all time, Larry Fitz @ 2nd has 16,279.
Hopkins is ahead of Rice's pace for catches (possibly yards as well, I didn't look at that), but can he play 19 years and better it? Can the body of work during his career put him in the argument? I don't have an issue with someone saying that Hopkins is the greatest wide receiver up to this point in his career which was the argument that I made for Thomas. As posted above, Landry should smash the shit out of Hopkins' 6 year record this year. But Michael Thomas further destroys Jarvis Landry (and OBJ's) records every year. Like Landry is only 47 catches behind Hopkins with a full season to catch up to and obliterate Hopkins' record for 6 years, Thomas needs only 79 catches to top Landry who topped Hopkins. We are in an era where active players are breaking records for their time in the game. Maybe one of them will stick around long enough to challenge Rice. I don't know. But I'd say at some point, and whatever someone defines a long successful career is (10? 12? 15 seasons?), one of these guys could well end up in the argument as the greatest of all times and not just the greatest up to x point in their career.
There's clearly a lot that could go into the argument as to what constitutes the best of all time - total catches, total yards, dependability, catch ratio, total touchdowns, biggest plays within 4Q/OT along with any combination of those and other meaningful stats such as 1st down conversion percentage, yards per catch or target, etc.
It's all opinion shit anyway, but I think anyone arguing at this point that Jerry Rice isn't the greatest of all time for a career would be full of shit.
I'd say it's arguably one of the criteria. What was obvious a few weeks ago when the argument was started was the lack of depth in the positions other posters were taking in the argument. Whether that was by design or by knowledge is up for debate. Receptions certainly can be an indicator of greatness if anyone is doing it at a level that's never been done before. For instance, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss are the Top 4 all time in yardage. Rice is more than 6,000 yards ahead of Fitzgerald, so he's not going to be caught. By receptions it's Rice (Tony G who is a TE), Larry Fitz, Jason Witten (also TE) and Marvin Harrison. I think all 3 of the WR's in that list are three of the greatest of all time.
So if you fast forward to today, I don't think you'd get an argument from many people that Jerry Rice was the greatest of all time. He also played forever (19 years I think), but he's far ahead of anyone else in both yards and receptions. Rice has 1,549 catches all time, Larry Fitz @ 2nd (for WR) has 1,303. Rice has 22,895 yards all time, Larry Fitz @ 2nd has 16,279.
Hopkins is ahead of Rice's pace for catches (possibly yards as well, I didn't look at that), but can he play 19 years and better it? Can the body of work during his career put him in the argument? I don't have an issue with someone saying that Hopkins is the greatest wide receiver up to this point in his career which was the argument that I made for Thomas. As posted above, Landry should smash the shit out of Hopkins' 6 year record this year. But Michael Thomas further destroys Jarvis Landry (and OBJ's) records every year. Like Landry is only 47 catches behind Hopkins with a full season to catch up to and obliterate Hopkins' record for 6 years, Thomas needs only 79 catches to top Landry who topped Hopkins. We are in an era where active players are breaking records for their time in the game. Maybe one of them will stick around long enough to challenge Rice. I don't know. But I'd say at some point, and whatever someone defines a long successful career is (10? 12? 15 seasons?), one of these guys could well end up in the argument as the greatest of all times and not just the greatest up to x point in their career.
There's clearly a lot that could go into the argument as to what constitutes the best of all time - total catches, total yards, dependability, catch ratio, total touchdowns, biggest plays within 4Q/OT along with any combination of those and other meaningful stats such as 1st down conversion percentage, yards per catch or target, etc.
It's all opinion shit anyway, but I think anyone arguing at this point that Jerry Rice isn't the greatest of all time for a career would be full of shit.
Yeah I just think yards is the number one stat to look at. I'm not involved in whatever else you guys were squabbling about.
