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I'm not sure I understand how this is really relevant? Our defense obviously isn't as good as the Patriots, and we made a lot of adjustments recently to correct the issues that lead to that disaster. Other than Nick Chubb ripping through our defense that week, when have the Browns offense looked any good this year? They looked OK against the Seahawks I guess despite losing.
Post by Vinnie the Eel on Nov 4, 2019 9:17:20 GMT -5
Thought the Pats were super overrated, and they are. Did not think the Ravens would have their way with them like that. If Cyrus Jones/Mark Ingram don't fumble, I think this is a complete bloodbath
Thought the Pats were super overrated, and they are. Did not think the Ravens would have their way with them like that. If Cyrus Jones/Mark Ingram don't fumble, I think this is a complete bloodbath
I think also if Edelman didn't fumble it might have gone our way though
Thought the Pats were super overrated, and they are. Did not think the Ravens would have their way with them like that. If Cyrus Jones/Mark Ingram don't fumble, I think this is a complete bloodbath
I think also if Edelman didn't fumble it might have gone our way though
Thought the Pats were super overrated, and they are. Did not think the Ravens would have their way with them like that. If Cyrus Jones/Mark Ingram don't fumble, I think this is a complete bloodbath
I think also if Edelman didn't fumble it might have gone our way though
Maybe, but it seems like the bloodbath was the more likely scenario. ---------------------------------------------------------
NFC looks like a dogfight the second half of the season between about 5 teams. The local paper did a comparison of upcoming schedules, many of which look difficult. Positioning will shake out over the second half of the season because of so many head-to-head matchups among the elite NFC teams. Let's look at the top contenders:
Saints @ 7-1 - Saints play 5 division games which are always tougher than they look on paper and have 5 of our remaining games against potential playoff teams. This is tough but nowhere near the toughest schedule among the top NFC Teams. Potential Playoff Teams shown with "*" Atlanta @ Tampa Bay Carolina* @ Atlanta San Francisco* Indianapolis* @ Tennessee* @ Carolina*
San Francisco @ 8-0 has arguably the toughest remaining schedule of all NFC contenders. Seattle* Arizona Green Bay* @ Baltimore* @ Saints* Atlanta Los Angeles Rams* @ Seattle*
Seattle @ 7-2 has a very tough schedule and has to continue to run the gauntlet of NFC contenders @ San Francisco* Bye Week Philadelphia* Minnesota* @ Los Angeles Rams* @ Carolina* Arizona San Francisco*
Green Bay @ 7-2 has a lighter schedule but they do play some pretty tough teams still. Carolina* Bye Week @ San Francisco* @ New York Giants Washington Redskins Chicago Bears @ Minnesota* @ Detroit
Minnesota @ 6-3 also looks to have a pretty tough schedule @ Dallas* Denver BYE @ Seattle* Detroit @ Los Angeles Chargers* Green Bay* Chicago
The Rams, Panthers, Dallas and Philadelphia could also be in the mix though it's not likely that any of these teams will finish 1 or 2 and earn a bye.
Panthers @ 5-3 play us twice, Seattle, Indianapolis and Green Bay but also play Atlanta twice and the Redskins.
Eagles @ 5-4 have their bye and play Patriots, Seattle and Dallas but also Miami, Giants, Redskins and Giants again. This is a fairly light schedule, but sometimes division games...
Cowboys @ 4-3 play Giants tonight then Detroit, Patriots, Buffalo, Chicago, Rams, Eagles and Redskins. That's reasonably tough.
Rams @ 5-3 schedule is a mixed bag but still tough. @ Pittsburgh, Chicago, Baltimore, @ Arizona, Seattle, @ Dallas, @ San Francisco, Arizona.
The farther we stay away from the Ravens, the better
My takeaway from the game was just that they are a tough matchup due to their ability to dominate at the line of scrimmage. Whether that was a one-time glitch or a foreshadowing of a difficult match-up for the Patriots with these rosters remains to be seen. In a rematch, the best coach in the history of the league would likely have an answer for the way they played y'all last night. How would the Ravens adjust to compensate, or would Harbaugh just figure he can run right at you and know that Jackson is a wildcard because of his speed (particularly when the rest of the Ravens' running game is firing at will)? I tend to think that last night's outcome was more on the fluke side. That's not taking anything away from what Baltimore has been doing on their 4 game winning streak. Beating Seattle in Seattle and then coming back home to beat the Patriots by 17 are noteworthy. They should be the favorites in the AFC North (will check in a second*) do have some tough opponents left with Houston, Rams, 49ers, Buffalo and Pittsburgh (along with Bengals, Jets, Browns). 11-5 maybe?
* Football Outsiders DVOA after last night's game shows the Ravens with a forecasted mean wins of 11, 13.5% #1; 28.7% #2; 23.1% #3; 22.8% #4; 2.6% #5; 2.6% #6; 88% win the division, 42.1% Bye; 5.2% wild card; 93.2% total playoff chance. Overall AFC playoff odds from them are:
The farther we stay away from the Ravens, the better
My takeaway from the game was just that they are a tough matchup due to their ability to dominate at the line of scrimmage. Whether that was a one-time glitch or a foreshadowing of a difficult match-up for the Patriots with these rosters remains to be seen. In a rematch, the best coach in the history of the league would likely have an answer for the way they played y'all last night. How would the Ravens adjust to compensate, or would Harbaugh just figure he can run right at you and know that Jackson is a wildcard because of his speed (particularly when the rest of the Ravens' running game is firing at will)? I tend to think that last night's outcome was more on the fluke side. That's not taking anything away from what Baltimore has been doing on their 4 game winning streak. Beating Seattle in Seattle and then coming back home to beat the Patriots by 17 are noteworthy. They should be the favorites in the AFC North (will check in a second*) do have some tough opponents left with Houston, Rams, 49ers, Buffalo and Pittsburgh (along with Bengals, Jets, Browns). 11-5 maybe?
* Football Outsiders DVOA after last night's game shows the Ravens with a forecasted mean wins of 11, 13.5% #1; 28.7% #2; 23.1% #3; 22.8% #4; 2.6% #5; 2.6% #6; 88% win the division, 42.1% Bye; 5.2% wild card; 93.2% total playoff chance. Overall AFC playoff odds from them are:
The Patriots will make adjustments when we (likely) play them in the playoffs, but so will we. I doubt we'd dominate them like last night again of course, but nobody should assume the Patriots will adjust and casually move past us. We are pretty much the only team in the AFC that isn't afraid of the Patriots (particularly playing in NE). Actually, that's pretty much been the case since the BB and Brady dynasty started. Without looking, I doubt anyone has steamrolled them in the playoffs or certainly in NE like we did in 2009 (and really in the 2012 AFCG too), and overall I think we are 2-2 playing them in the playoffs. Keep in mind too all four games were in NE and the two losses were down to the final seconds.
yeah, but those past ravens teams are year to year so much different than what the pats have had over the same time. i think it's easy to overlook the ravens because, to me, they just came out of nowhere. i attributed most of the success last year to the Steelers/Bengals regressing and the ravens kind of taking over that spot after starting out really bad. also beating the hell out of the dolphins started them off with a "pump the breaks, the dolphins are awful" narrative.
i do think they're much more of a threat now, lamar is the real deal and i feel like Harbaugh is using him perfectly.
I also think Harbaugh is an excellent coach, and definitely in the 2nd tier of guys after Bill, so that kind of chess match isn't going to be as big of an issue for Baltimore as it would for Carroll/McVay for example.
yeah, but those past ravens teams are year to year so much different than what the pats have had over the same time. i think it's easy to overlook the ravens because, to me, they just came out of nowhere. i attributed most of the success last year to the Steelers/Bengals regressing and the ravens kind of taking over that spot after starting out really bad. also beating the hell out of the dolphins started them off with a "pump the breaks, the dolphins are awful" narrative.
i do think they're much more of a threat now, lamar is the real deal and i feel like Harbaugh is using him perfectly.
Yeah, they definitely built the entire offense around Lamar and it shows. Think the signing of Ingram and drafting of Brown were both really clutch moves. It's a fun time to be a Ravens fan.
yeah, but those past ravens teams are year to year so much different than what the pats have had over the same time. i think it's easy to overlook the ravens because, to me, they just came out of nowhere. i attributed most of the success last year to the Steelers/Bengals regressing and the ravens kind of taking over that spot after starting out really bad. also beating the hell out of the dolphins started them off with a "pump the breaks, the dolphins are awful" narrative.
i do think they're much more of a threat now, lamar is the real deal and i feel like Harbaugh is using him perfectly.
Yeah, they definitely built the entire offense around Lamar and it shows. Think the signing of Ingram and drafting of Brown were both really clutch moves. It's a fun time to be a Ravens fan.
I hated losing Ingram, but once we announced the Latavius Murray signing, the handwriting was already on the wall. I personally love Ingram and think he's a special player. He didn't get that much wear and tear with us because Coach Payton likes to mix up and spread out the touches at that position. I felt like Baltimore was going to be maybe the perfect landing spot for him, and he's done very well.
