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The Dems won't lose the presidency because of the moderates. They'll lose the presidency because the electoral college is soley decided by Ohio, Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
However, the Dems will lose the house because of the moderates. 2020 is going to be worse than 2016, bank on it.
They likely will if Biden is the nominee... which there's still somewhat of a chance of. I'd say 30-35%. It's the moderates fault that Michigan and Pennsylvania are even in question to begin with.
If they listen to the larger base they will keep the house. But they have to get all parts of the coalition out voting in numbers again. There behavior isn't showing that ability at the moment. Because it's so obvious they have no intentions of rocking the boat. Which will depress the vote. Plus, if they try the same dumb bullshit of going after the ever-allusive conservative swing voters it means they are leaving plenty of possible votes on the table.
Post by piggy pablo on Jul 11, 2019 0:18:52 GMT -5
It probably has to do with party leadership being more interested in corporate goals than their constituents' and also having been that way for a long time with no personal consequence and a lot of gain.
There's a lot of specifics to this plan that mess up a lot of people's eligibility. I think I saw an article this year that only 5% or less of workers actually get theirs forgiven in ten years. For instance, my years of service haven't counted so far because, whereas my loans are considered, they're not consolidated under the correct consolidation.
Yep, I’ve worked in public service for almost 13 years, but I was encouraged to consolidate my loans before graduation, and it’s not the right kind of consolidation either. I’m currently throwing everything I can at them to try to get out from under my federal loans and my last private loan (which I was stupid to take out, but live and learn).
On this note, article on NPR today about a group of teachers who are going to file a lawsuit against the Dept of Education re: public service loan forgiveness. Apparently, I was overgenerous as the Department's own count is only 1% of people get approved.
So Trump is going to force the citizenship question on the census regardless of the Supreme Court ruling. He is going to issue an executive order regardless of legality. I am so over this bullshit. Is this the straw?
So Trump is going to force the citizenship question on the census regardless of the Supreme Court ruling. He is going to issue an executive order regardless of legality. I am so over this bullshit. Is this the straw?
We've had a Muslim ban and the banning of trans people in the military, a sexual assailant in the White House and on the Supreme Court, and fucking migrant internment camps, among so many, many other things. I don't mean to sound condescending but no, the addition of a question on a questionnaire is not the straw.
I don't think there's going to be a straw until the majority of people are directly impacted.
So Trump is going to force the citizenship question on the census regardless of the Supreme Court ruling. He is going to issue an executive order regardless of legality. I am so over this bullshit. Is this the straw?
We've had a Muslim ban and the banning of trans people in the military, a sexual assailant in the White House and on the Supreme Court, and fucking migrant internment camps, among so many, many other things. I don't mean to sound condescending but no, the addition of a question on a questionnaire is not the straw.
I don't think there's going to be a straw until the majority of people are directly impacted.
This. Starting impeachment would bring all the skeletons out of the closet, and likely would win the election. Tying the administration up in impeachment hearings would take their focus off the internment camps.
For real though this is embarrassing. The complete refusal to stand up to Trump and the GOP is an abdication of duty by Pelosi and any Democrat who won't speak out. The 2018 midterms were a clear cry we wanted someone to hold them accountable and this is what we get. No one has read the Mueller report but they totally have the time to criticize the progressive wing of their own party. Get them the fuck out of here.
I know everyone in this thread has made this point before, on this same page even. I just felt it was my turn to say it because I'm super frustrated today. Plus I had the LCD Soundsystem zinger.
Post by 10goldbees on Jul 11, 2019 17:46:17 GMT -5
On a more positive note, Clarkston Georgia's Mayor, Ted Terry, will challenge David Perdue for his Senate seat. He's 36-years-old and presides over "the most diverse square mile in America."
If elected, Terry, an avowed progressive Democrat, would be the political antithesis of incumbent Perdue, a staunch ally of President Donald Trump. In Clarkston, Terry has championed the decriminalization of marijuana possession and raised the minimum wage for city employees to $15 an hour. He’s also an avid environmentalist, serving as the director of the Georgia chapter of the Sierra Club, and has committed to get his city running 100 percent on clean energy by 2050. (Perdue, on the other hand, has taken money from oil and gas interests and lobbied Trump to bail on the Paris Agreement, a United Nations accord that aims to curb greenhouse gas emissions and disinvest in fossil fuels.)
Terry, 36, vows to pursue the same liberal goals at the federal level, he told Atlanta magazine in an interview Tuesday. The mayor’s primary goal with this bid: “To bring a new generation of leadership to the Senate—a new perspective.” A young one, he means. “The median age of the Senate is over 60 years old, and there is no voice representing what would be the largest voting block in America in 2020—the under 35-year-old voting block.”
I've been fairly unimpressed with the crop of Democratic Senate candidates in this state so far so I'm into this. I'd be happy to knock doors for this dude.
I feel pretty comfortable assuming Trump isn't simply acquaintances with Epstein.
Same for Bill Clinton.
Going off of what's public the case against Clinton has the better evidence as of now. Trump is just such a sleazebag his personality matches up much better. That and all the various other instances of sexual misbehavior/assault/probably worse.
Not that the skeletons in Clinton's closest make him much better. He at least tries to mask it.
Remember like 2 weeks before the election when we all talked about the rape allegations against Trump that happened when the lady was 13? That was supposedly at Epstein's house. Great country we have here.
Just a creepy feeling all over, especially with Dershowitz saying "I got a massage with my underwear on"
WHO SAYS THAT?!
Don't forget the other part of his defense. "My grandchild was there." So of course there was no weird sex stuff going on. I had my underwear on and my kid was in the house.
Actually, it's better in full: "What happened was I, um, he lent us, this was well before any of this thing came out, he lent us his house once. And I was there, my grandchildren were there, my daughter was there, and we all got massages."
Post by piggy pablo on Jul 11, 2019 22:15:16 GMT -5
Yes. Trump was accused by a woman of him raping her when she was 13. She also said that Epstein raped her afterward and that he was angry that Trump took her virginity before he could. She also said that Trump threatened that he could have her disappeared like he did with "Maria", a 12-year old who the two men forced her to engage in sex acts with previously.
I get that this is all very Pizzagate-y and it sounds completely insane, but with what Trump has said publicly about Epstein and him sharing a taste for beautiful women, including some who are very young, what he said about a 12-year old Paris Hilton, what he's said about his own daughter, what he's admitted about sexually assaulting women, and his harboring Acosta in his cabinet, I really don't feel like I have any reason left to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
And yeah, Bill Clinton taking these four trips to three different continents, or whatever it was, on the Lolita Express, and his own personal history of sexual abuse, I don't have much reason to believe that his association with Epstein was innocent in any way either. Kevin Spacey was on Epstein's flight manifests, too, and he is considered a sexual abuser and rapist in public opinion.
But impeachment is off the table and those uppity non-white Democratic freshmen congresswomen need to keep their yaps shut. That's what Nancy Pelosi thinks leadership is. That and clapping awkwardly.
Yes. Trump was accused by a woman of him raping her when she was 13. She also said that Epstein raped her afterward and that he was angry that Trump took her virginity before he could. She also said that Trump threatened that he could have her disappeared like he did with "Maria", a 12-year old who the two men forced her to engage in sex acts with previously.
I get that this is all very Pizzagate-y and it sounds completely insane, but with what Trump has said publicly about Epstein and him sharing a taste for beautiful women, including some who are very young, what he said about a 12-year old Paris Hilton, what he's said about his own daughter, what he's admitted about sexually assaulting women, and his harboring Acosta in his cabinet, I really don't feel like I have any reason left to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
And yeah, Bill Clinton taking these four trips to three different continents, or whatever it was, on the Lolita Express, and his own personal history of sexual abuse, I don't have much reason to believe that his association with Epstein was innocent in any way either. Kevin Spacey was on Epstein's flight manifests, too, and he is considered a sexual abuser and rapist in public opinion.
But impeachment is off the table and those uppity non-white Democratic freshmen congresswomen need to keep their yaps shut. That's what Nancy Pelosi thinks leadership is. That and clapping awkwardly.
Oh I have absolutely no doubt he's a sex monster. On the whole, you'd have to be very naive to think Trump hasn't done numerous sex crimes.
I was simply saying that as far as actually evidence Clinton looks worse at the moment. Just in regards to this one specific case. If you take everything into account Trump would seem to win the potential pedo award.
I'd like for them both to die in jail... if convicted of course.
Meanwhile the Republican led judicial branch is inching closer toward taking healthcare away from 20 million people. It’s really depressing how broken the courts are. The Republican argument in this case is so weak it should have gotten thrown out on sight, with a stern lecture on wasting the court’s time to go with it. Instead we’re crystallizing a system where Republican judges agree to whatever Republican plaintiffs ask for no matter how spurious the legal basis.
Not sure how we’ll ever recover from the erosion of the court system we’ve seen in the last 15-20 years.
I dislike because it's true. And I'm vicariously happy I know a lot of lawyers, but that I didn't pursue it because I'd probably be out of mind as a criminal defense lawyer.
This hasn't been relevant for years, but now we should really really really be seeing how significant this is with Nancy there deciding "hey! why impeach, when we can pretend it's not a problem. These loud kids are the problem"
Either way you pull it, the people left are either incompetent or willingly fucking with the world. I will take Bolton for the win, but the straight line across Devos is a win. Another win is through Cain across.
And the fact that this is real is the real monster in the room. THIS NATIONS LOUDEST PEOPLE HIRED THE FUCKER WITH NO EXPERIENCE and we are still disarming unilaterally to "keep our powder dry". What's the line?
im amazed at how not a complete an utter failure perry has been.
I wonder almost every other day if he just realized that he made a colossal mistake, and has spent his last few years staying under the radar. Carson would be close if everything he said wasn't inept of thought and wasn't called upon in Congress already