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Criticizing candidates during a primary is not eating our own
It's having a primary
Did you check the replies about how these are all paid fans? This shit fuels conspiracy theories. Instead of letting the primary being about criticizing differences in policy and leadership ability, people are pushing the narrative towards "how many fake and paid supporters someone has".
How is this lady and her followers accusing Democrats of using paid supporters not the exact same thing Trumpers do everyday?
I'm sure that won't be the same tactic used by Trump in the general. Fighting a conspiracy theorist president by abandoning policy discussion and spreading more conspiracy theories, what a great idea. Surely that will work and defeat the reality tv show host
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Blame the Warren campaign for fueling conspiracy theories by doing stuff like this instead of blaming people for correctly pointing it out
Because there aren't nearly as many people in that crowd as the number of signs would suggest?
That's a stretch and a weird made up rule if you're saying that every individual sign needs an individual person holding it. Just seems efficient to me
If the Democratic Party cared about beating Trump or doing things that were popular or doing things that were moral, they'd be behind Bernie. They care about none of the three.
I never understood how Warren ended up ahead of Bernie in the polls and on Inforoo.
Fuck him. Any other president (since 2005) would be helping the cause of the survivors rather arguing about their stupid mistake and endless shameless plugs for Alabama. But focusing in on and saying some people may be gang members when they are a westernized neighboring country is past outrageous (not that they are mutually exclusive but who gives a fuck?). I feel better about calling this d bag in a Trump mask an asshole a little while ago.
Because there aren't nearly as many people in that crowd as the number of signs would suggest?
That's a stretch and a weird made up rule if you're saying that every individual sign needs an individual person holding it. Just seems efficient to me
I'm full of made up rules, like "Having a health care plan is good" and "Currying favor with Hillary Clinton to secure superdelegates is bad". But I'm just a goofball like that.
If the Democratic Party cared about beating Trump or doing things that were popular or doing things that were moral, they'd be behind Bernie. They care about none of the three.
I never understood how Warren ended up ahead of Bernie in the polls and on Inforoo.
She's not leading him in a ton of polls outside of Inforoo. As far as Inforoo itself, you know, people really love her. I couldn't really tell you why that is without being presumptuous.
I never understood how Warren ended up ahead of Bernie in the polls and on Inforoo.
She's not leading him in a ton of polls outside of Inforoo. As far as Inforoo itself, you know, people really love her. I couldn't really tell you why that is without being presumptuous.
She's not leading him in a ton of polls outside of Inforoo. As far as Inforoo itself, you know, people really love her. I couldn't really tell you why that is without being presumptuous.
Post by 10goldbees on Sept 9, 2019 17:32:02 GMT -5
I feel the same as most others here; both Bernie and Warren are great. I'd be happy to vote for either.
My gut instinct has me leaning to Liz because she comes with less baggage than Bernie when it comes to the DNC dipshits. I'd love to not hear months of attacks from within the party about how Bernie is trying to screw us again. Also I think it'd be rad if a woman was president. Those are illogical reasons but that's what's tipped the scales in my mind.
That being said, I'd be happy to hear the argument for why Bernie is the better candidate. I don't know how much I've truly compared their policies against one another.
They like her because she’s a great fucking candidate. Sorry she’s not your perfect democratic socialist, but she will move the party farther left than anyone else running, but Bernie. Am I wrong? You can’t change the world with one candidate and in 4 years. Sometimes you need to take what you can get.
I prefer Warren over Sanders as a human being. Their policies seem at least surface level similar, though I'm sure there's a lot of differences when you drill down. She also doesn't have the animosity in the party that still exists in the wake of 2016 and because she's a full-time Democrat.
Post by abefroman1 on Sept 9, 2019 20:21:27 GMT -5
I like Warren as 1a, with Bernie being my 1b (everyone else is tied for 2nd except for Gabbard and Biden who would be 3rd and 4th, with Trump at 9001)
For reasons described above I believe she knows the ins and outs of the inner workings of the government slightly better than Bernie. That's needed to start the recovery from the trainwreck now. Also I think she could get more done accross the aisle (despite the Ted Cruz's of the world). I think Bernie would be hamstrung by the GOP red scare and the centrist Democrats. Warren seems like she's a capitalist that demands accountability, which is an easier sell to the average voter.
That being said, I'd be happy to hear the argument for why Bernie is the better candidate. I don't know how much I've truly compared their policies against one another.
Bernie is a better candidate because he supports Medicare For All, he refuses corporate money, he is pro-union, he supports giving felons the right to vote, he supports legalization of marijuana and his foreign policy is better in essentially every way: he has called on Modi to end occupation of Kashmir, he is the only candidate who supports the Palestinian people, he introduced the resolution to end the occupation of Yemen, and so on and so on.
For all her supposed plans, Warren has no health care plan on her website and has been completely wishy washy on Medicare For All. She has stated that she won't take corporate money in the primary but will in the general, which is a nonsensical position to me. Warren is not pro-union. She can't be if she takes corporate money. I've not seen her champion voting rights for the victims of our racially- and economically-biased, corrupt judicial system. She has supported marijuana legalization in the past, but her position is now "decriminalization". Her foreign policy is God-awful compared to Bernie's. On Israel, she had this to say:
Over time realities are bearing down on Israel, demographic realities, births and deaths. What the region looks like.
This, essentially, means "there are less white people". Not surprising that she did not stand with protestors at Standing Rock, either.
So, there are several meaningful differences, and Bernie is on the better side of all of them. We're talking about a woman who was a Republican until she was 47, whose explanation for this when asked about it was that she wasn't politically engaged. That, by all accounts, is a lie, and her explanation for why she became a Democrat is that she agreed with the Clintonites on economic policy, which is to say nothing for how the GOP treated racial minorities, LGBTQ people, poor people, etc. All of that I guess she was totally fine with.
I think a lot of people see them as basically the same, but Warren is a woman, so all the better. Not true.
Insofar as who is a more effective senator, it is certainly easier to be more effective when you are part of the establishment, as opposed to working against it. However, I will have to look for it, but I don't think the numbers and accomplishments support the narrative that Warren is a powerhouse legislator and Bernie is completely ineffective, from what I've read. I'll look for that stuff and/or pass such information along when I see it.
Bernie has been a senator far longer, so he would have to be pretty stupid to not understand how the process works at least as well as Warren does.
They like her because she’s a great fucking candidate. Sorry she’s not your perfect democratic socialist, but she will move the party farther left than anyone else running, but Bernie. Am I wrong? You can’t change the world with one candidate and in 4 years. Sometimes you need to take what you can get.
This is not any kind of argument for Warren over Bernie. You're saying Bernie would move the party farther to the left than Warren. That's the whole point. He already has done this even without winning the nomination in 2016, and continues to do so in a contested primary. Warren is not moving the party to the left. She is following Bernie's lead on the issues. Her policies are typically watered-down versions of his. She is using progressive rhetoric to appeal to people who want the party to move left, with very little indication that she is passionate advancing something like Medicare for All. Her climate plan is also less comprehensive. She only recently came out against fracking after people pointed out that Bernie has.
She also is less likely to actually beat Trump if she gets the nomination, by all accounts.
I never understood how Warren ended up ahead of Bernie in the polls and on Inforoo.
She's not leading him in a ton of polls outside of Inforoo. As far as Inforoo itself, you know, people really love her. I couldn't really tell you why that is without being presumptuous.
She's not leading him in a ton of polls outside of Inforoo. As far as Inforoo itself, you know, people really love her. I couldn't really tell you why that is without being presumptuous.