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I dont think opening the door to multiple parties would produce the type of President that this group would like considering you could potentially just win 40% of the electorate (or less) and win. as an example, in a multi party system Trump would absolutely walk to the presidency this yr
yeah you’d just end up with a libertarian party, maybe a leftist party that’ll never win, and probably a far right party. But it’s really just part of a bigger political reform that needs to happen. Until you have some serious campaign financing laws, restructuring the party system doesn’t do much.
my personal opinion is that the problem with the candidates in America is the voters in America
yeah you’d just end up with a libertarian party, maybe a leftist party that’ll never win, and probably a far right party. But it’s really just part of a bigger political reform that needs to happen. Until you have some serious campaign financing laws, restructuring the party system doesn’t do much.
my personal opinion is that the problem with the candidates in America is the voters in America
ding ding ding. We have SERIOUS structural issues in our government and electoral systems but also we just suck.
It was interesting yesterday. I was the machine operator, so I would guess who they were voting for before they came to me. Yes, profiling. I was fucking bored, I needed something to stay sane.
yeah you’d just end up with a libertarian party, maybe a leftist party that’ll never win, and probably a far right party. But it’s really just part of a bigger political reform that needs to happen. Until you have some serious campaign financing laws, restructuring the party system doesn’t do much.
my personal opinion is that the problem with the candidates in America is the voters in America
ding ding ding. We have SERIOUS structural issues in our government and electoral systems but also we just suck.
We complain about how bad the candidates “they pick for us” are but 80% of people don’t vote in primaries. Eric Andre gun meme stuff.
at the same time, it’s expensive to run for any sort of office especially on the federal level. If you don’t have much name recognition, you’ve gotta raise enough to get off the ground, travel, get some signs going, run some ads, and you’re gonna have a hard time running a decent campaign if you’re not taking money from rich donors.
Besides, what worthwhile candidates are wasting their time running against Biden?
I’ll be honest. If the vote were today (and if he’s on the ballot), I’d be voting for RFK Jr. even though he is an anti-vaxxer. My vote in Louisiana doesn’t matter anyway
Yeah I begrudgingly vote for Democrats every election. Sometimes, I even like them. But most of them are awful, especially in the South. Just a bunch of zealots or super corrupt or DINOs or some combination of all of them.
You dug deep for that one. It only took me one year to no longer want to vote begrudgingly.
my personal opinion is that the problem with the candidates in America is the voters in America
kind of a circular problem right?
Sort of but not really. You could have great candidates but if the voting populace is still made up of mostly old people and the highly partisan you’re still gonna get a lot of incumbents and party favorites winning every election. You still need campaign finance reform because it’s the right thing to do, but you’re not gonna get meaningful change to the system (or campaign finance reform) without significantly increased engagement.
To your other point, the people most dissatisfied with Biden are the ones least likely to vote in a primary. If there was a lane to run against Biden and even a reasonable certainty the electorate would have shown up, someone would have done it. Newsom or Pritzker could have easily dug up the money but both (correctly) judged the votes weren’t gonna be there
It was interesting yesterday. I was the machine operator, so I would guess who they were voting for before they came to me. Yes, profiling. I was fucking bored, I needed something to stay sane.
I almost always guessed right.
Clearly you're an insider working on the behalf of limousine liberals to undermine Bernie, again! Ron Paul 2024
Sort of but not really. You could have great candidates but if the voting populace is still made up of mostly old people and the highly partisan you’re still gonna get a lot of incumbents and party favorites winning every election. You still need campaign finance reform because it’s the right thing to do, but you’re not gonna get meaningful change to the system (or campaign finance reform) without significantly increased engagement.
To your other point, the people most dissatisfied with Biden are the ones least likely to vote in a primary. If there was a lane to run against Biden and even a reasonable certainty the electorate would have shown up, someone would have done it. Newsom or Pritzker could have easily dug up the money but both (correctly) judged the votes weren’t gonna be there
I can’t blame the voters for getting tired of being told every election is the most important one yet just to have your options be corporately backed millionaires. It’s tiring, shit just gets worse and at the end they tell you it’s your fault because you didn’t vote hard enough.
The issue with the campaign thing is that it’s gotta start w Citizens United and there’s no guarantee the president you elect will even get a shot at nominating someone.
Sort of but not really. You could have great candidates but if the voting populace is still made up of mostly old people and the highly partisan you’re still gonna get a lot of incumbents and party favorites winning every election. You still need campaign finance reform because it’s the right thing to do, but you’re not gonna get meaningful change to the system (or campaign finance reform) without significantly increased engagement.
To your other point, the people most dissatisfied with Biden are the ones least likely to vote in a primary. If there was a lane to run against Biden and even a reasonable certainty the electorate would have shown up, someone would have done it. Newsom or Pritzker could have easily dug up the money but both (correctly) judged the votes weren’t gonna be there
I don’t disagree but it’s also important to remember that running against power is insanely difficult. From local elections to Federal anyone running outside the system potentially faces a media that tends to have levers of control that favor big business. Even a candidate with a reasonable platform could face basic smear tactics that end up eating up the energy of a campaign.
Voter ignorance and apathy are real problems but it’s paired with a lifetimes of endless propaganda and a lackluster education system. Is there another Western nation besides maybe England that constantly have birdbrained debates about socialism where nobody seems able to define what they even mean by it? That’s just the most obvious example I can think of.
Post by SupeЯfuЯЯyanimal on Mar 6, 2024 12:15:08 GMT -5
That’s not to say people working on independent elections haven’t made basic mistakes. They have and we’ve discussed them in here to some degree.
It’s just really hard talking to folks without spending most of your time defending shit that’s not even true or accurate to the history of the nation or certain political ideals that are often slung around.
There's still the problem of media. I think that's a circular issue too. Racist man watches FOX because Hannity tells him the brown man is bad, man is more racist because he watches FOX. Both parties are getting what they want out of the exchange. There's a debate answer I think about a lot (from Marianne Williamson weirdly enough) about how America has a deep rot. I really just seems like too big of an issue for me to even begin to think about how to tackle. I certainly think the average voter would turn it into some culture war about wokeism or whatever rather than legitimately engaging with the magnitude of the issue.
You dug deep for that one. It only took me one year to no longer want to vote begrudgingly.
In one year, you went from voting Democrat begrudgingly to now either sitting out or voting 3rd party. All in the same one year in which the clear binary options are Fascism vs. Democracy…
If you wanted to look back at my older comments, you’d actually find I’m probably one of the bigger proponents of voting 3rd party in here. I voted 3rd party for President from 2008 thru 2016. I’m the first to support people voting 3rd party.
2024 IS NOT THE FUCKING YEAR.
Just put on your big boy pants, vote Biden and down ballot blue or 3rd party. Your anxiety levels and mental health will thank you.
You dug deep for that one. It only took me one year to no longer want to vote begrudgingly.
In one year, you went from voting Democrat begrudgingly to now either sitting out or voting 3rd party. All in the same one year in which the clear binary options are Fascism vs. Democracy…
If you wanted to look back at my older comments, you’d actually find I’m probably one of the bigger proponents of voting 3rd party in here. I voted 3rd party for President from 2008 thru 2016. I’m the first to support people voting 3rd party.
2024 IS NOT THE FUCKING YEAR.
Just put on your big boy pants, vote Biden and down ballot blue or 3rd party. Your anxiety levels and mental health will thank you.
Bro if I lived in Minnesota, I'd vote Biden in a heartbeat. But Louisiana votes Republican in POTUS elections basically 58% to Democrat 39% for the past 5 elections.
Sort of but not really. You could have great candidates but if the voting populace is still made up of mostly old people and the highly partisan you’re still gonna get a lot of incumbents and party favorites winning every election. You still need campaign finance reform because it’s the right thing to do, but you’re not gonna get meaningful change to the system (or campaign finance reform) without significantly increased engagement.
To your other point, the people most dissatisfied with Biden are the ones least likely to vote in a primary. If there was a lane to run against Biden and even a reasonable certainty the electorate would have shown up, someone would have done it. Newsom or Pritzker could have easily dug up the money but both (correctly) judged the votes weren’t gonna be there
I can’t blame the voters for getting tired of being told every election is the most important one yet just to have your options be corporately backed millionaires. It’s tiring, shit just gets worse and at the end they tell you it’s your fault because you didn’t vote hard enough.
The issue with the campaign thing is that it’s gotta start w Citizens United and there’s no guarantee the president you elect will even get a shot at nominating someone.
not what I am saying fwiw, I am saying the problem is that 74M ppl in this country thought it was worth their time to show up and vote for Donald J Trump in 2020. hard to fix shit when that is the steady state
I can’t blame the voters for getting tired of being told every election is the most important one yet just to have your options be corporately backed millionaires. It’s tiring, shit just gets worse and at the end they tell you it’s your fault because you didn’t vote hard enough.
The issue with the campaign thing is that it’s gotta start w Citizens United and there’s no guarantee the president you elect will even get a shot at nominating someone.
not what I am saying fwiw, I am saying the problem is that 74M ppl in this country thought it was worth their time to show up and vote for Donald J Trump in 2020. hard to fix shit when that is the steady state
America fueled by disinformation and the idiots that believe it.
That Republican (Robinson) running for Governor of NC is batshit fucked up. That someone like that could be a sitting Lt. Governor is already nuts. But I guess the more insane you come off as (intentional or not) the better your chances are for winning Republican primaries.
If you want something to feel good about, go read Jay Kuo.
Anyway, what's the alternative to Biden?
- RFK Jr is taking money from Republicans and his own family is quite openly against him.
- the libertarians are whatever
- the Greens are going with (checks notes) Jill Stein... again. They can't find anyone else?
And everyone else is getting fractions of a fraction.
Strong chance that RFK Jr ends up as the Libertarian Party candidate. It would get him on the ballots and give them their best chance at getting chunks of votes. I honestly don't know why this hasn't happened already.
Would be hilarious if RKF Jr runs as the Libertarian Party candidate. Outside of his batshit crazy views on vaccines his platform has nothing in common with the Libertarian Party.
Would be hilarious if RKF Jr runs as the Libertarian Party candidate. Outside of his batshit crazy views on vaccines his platform has nothing in common with the Libertarian Party.
Would be hilarious if RKF Jr runs as the Libertarian Party candidate. Outside of his batshit crazy views on vaccines his platform has nothing in common with the Libertarian Party.
How does he have nothing in common with them?
Do you even know what the Libertarian Party stands for? RFK Jr supports an increase in the minimum wage, protecting lands from drilling and mining, expanding the power of the EPA to deal with pollution, collective bargaining for workers. Libertarian's don't want the government involved basically in anything.
Would be hilarious if RKF Jr runs as the Libertarian Party candidate. Outside of his batshit crazy views on vaccines his platform has nothing in common with the Libertarian Party.
How does he have nothing in common with them?
His environmental policies for one. Just his background in that is pretty far from them.
He has some platform ideas in common but most candidates would. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible for him to switch positions to take the spot I guess. He seems like the type that would.
So I took a gander at previous presidential elections
In 2016, Gary Johnson got almost 4.5 million votes. Jill Stein had 1.45 million. (I voted Stein in 12 and 16.) Evan McMullin managed to peel off over 700k votes, notably 22% of the tally in Utah.
In 2020, Jo Jorgensen had over 1.8 million votes and Howie Hawkins had another 400k.