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Post by itrainmonkeys on May 5, 2022 17:49:33 GMT -5
Frank Langella wrote an article on Deadline about his recent firing:
Editor’s Note: On April 13, Deadline broke the story that Frank Langella had been fired as the lead of the Netflix limited series The Fall of the House of Usher after an investigation into an alleged unacceptable conduct on set, including sexual harassment toward an actress. At the time, we reached out to the Oscar-nominated actor for comment. Here is his reaction to the dismissal, written as a guest column.
I have been canceled. Just like that.
In the increasing madness that currently pervades our industry, I could not have imagined that the words collateral damage would fall upon my shoulders. They have brought with them a weight I had not expected to bear in the closing decades of my career. And along with it has come an unanticipated sense of grave danger.
On April 14 of this year, I was fired by Netflix for what they determined to be unacceptable behavior on set. My first instinct was to blame. To lash out and seek vengeance. I interviewed crisis managers, tough connected lawyers, the professionally sympathetic at $800 per hour. Free advice was proffered as well:
“Don’t play the victim.” “Don’t sue. They’ll dig into your past.” “Sign the NDA, take the money and run.” “Do the talk shows. Show contrition; feign humility. Say you’ve learned a lot.”
Apologize. Apologize. Apologize.
I was playing the leading role of Roderick Usher in Edgar Allan Poe’s classic The Fall of the House of Usher, modernized as an eight-episode series for Netflix. It is a glorious role and I had come to regard it as, most likely, my last hurrah. Bizarrely prophetic under the current circumstances.
On March 25 of this year, I was performing a love scene with the actress playing my young wife. Both of us were fully clothed. I was sitting on a couch, she was standing in front of me. The director called cut. “He touched my leg,” said the actress. “That was not in the blocking.” She then turned and walked off the set, followed by the director and the intimacy coordinator. I attempted to follow, but was asked to “give her some space.” I waited for approximately one hour, and was then told she was not returning to set and we were wrapped.
Not long after, an investigation began. Approximately one week later, Human Resources asked to speak to me by phone. “Before the love scene began on March 25,” said the questioner, “our intimacy coordinator suggested where you both should put your hands. It has been brought to our attention that you said, ‘This is absurd!’” “Yes,” I said, “I did. And I still think so.” It was a love scene on camera. Legislating the placement of hands, to my mind, is ludicrous. It undermines instinct and spontaneity. Toward the end of our conversation, she suggested that I not contact the young lady, the intimacy coordinator, or anyone else in the company. “We don’t want to risk retaliation,” she said. When I mentioned that it was certainly not my intention to… she cut me off politely and said: “Intention is not our concern. Netflix deals only with impact.”
When you are the leading actor, it requires, in my opinion, that you set an example by keeping the atmosphere light and friendly. Nevertheless, these were some of the allegations: 1. “He told an off-color joke. 2. “Sometimes he called me baby or honey.” 3. “He’d give me a hug or touch my shoulder.”
“You cannot do that, Frank,” said our producer. “You can’t joke. You can’t compliment. You can’t touch. It’s a new order.”
On April 13, the following item appeared on TMZ: “Frank Langella has been fired by Netflix for fondling a young actress between takes and she stormed off the set.” That is demonstrably false. That is a total lie. The actress was mentioned by name. The same young woman who had accused me of “touching her leg” on camera in the love scene. The next day the item was corrected to read: “Frank Langella has not been fired but is under investigation.” In this version, the actress’s name was deleted.
That afternoon, I was fired. I was not given a hearing with Netflix. My request to meet one-on-one with the actress was denied. The directors and the producer stopped answering my emails and phone calls. Within 30 minutes of my firing, a letter went out to cast and crew and a full press release was sent immediately. My representatives and I were given no opportunity to comment or collaborate on the narrative.
I cannot speak to the intentions of my accuser or Netflix, but the impact on me has been incalculable. I lost a thrilling part, the chance at future earnings, and perhaps face a stretch of unemployment. Netflix terminated me after three months of work with only three weeks left to shoot, and I have as yet to be fully remunerated for my services. Most importantly, my reputation has been tarnished.
These indignities are, to my mind, the real definition of unacceptable behavior.
Cancel culture is the antithesis of democracy. It inhibits conversation and debate. It limits our ability to listen, mediate, and exchange opposing views. Most tragically, it annihilates moral judgment.
This is not fair. This is not just. This is not American.
"“our intimacy coordinator suggested where you both should put your hands. It has been brought to our attention that you said, ‘This is absurd!’” “Yes,” I said, “I did. And I still think so.” It was a love scene on camera. Legislating the placement of hands, to my mind, is ludicrous."
I'm not an actor but I would assume that that's the whole fucking point of the director and the coordinators. To make sure the awkward parts get filmed correctly and hands placed where they should be.
"“our intimacy coordinator suggested where you both should put your hands. It has been brought to our attention that you said, ‘This is absurd!’” “Yes,” I said, “I did. And I still think so.” It was a love scene on camera. Legislating the placement of hands, to my mind, is ludicrous."
I'm not an actor but I would assume that that's the whole fucking point of the director and the coordinators. To make sure the awkward parts get filmed correctly and hands placed where they should be.
Yah from how my actor friends put it, it’s like how they do stunts. You’d never punch someone for a film shoot, you’d stage it. Apparently that’s how a lot of shitty behavior was allowed on set prior to intimacy coordination- actors would just “go for it” without the consent of their scene partner. An extreme case of this is “Last Tango in Paris” but way less dramatic harms have happened too, and it’s a good thing to have intimacy coordinators there. Also sounds like he was an old vet not respecting his younger costar. Can we stop casting this way in general?! I mean shit even in “the Northman” there was a 20 year age gap between the leads for no reason whatever. Gross.
to some degree I can see the angle about what the scene would require, re how natural something would look, or whatever but this whole blurb..
[When you are the leading actor, it requires, in my opinion, that you set an example by keeping the atmosphere light and friendly. Nevertheless, these were some of the allegations: 1. “He told an off-color joke. 2. “Sometimes he called me baby or honey.” 3. “He’d give me a hug or touch my shoulder.”
“You cannot do that, Frank,” said our producer. “You can’t joke. You can’t compliment. You can’t touch. It’s a new order.”]
..to me implies it wasn't just a one scene thing and he had been previously warned and went further than what was on camera
Post by 3post1jack1 on May 6, 2022 11:55:01 GMT -5
it is interesting to see a detailed response in a situation like this.
just looking at his side of the story, I agree that saying he "fondled" an actress inbetween takes is false (they retracted and corrected that headline, but still, damage is done).
but what is true, according to his own words, is he went against the instructions of the intimacy coordinator and improv'd instead. and the whole point of having an intimacy coordinator is so everybody knows what will happened so nobody is surprised or made to feel uncomfortable.
i do think it sounds like he is an actor who was just trying to act, and it wasn't his intention to be a perv, but it's not just about what he wants or what he thinks is best, it's about the other actors and the production as a whole.
generally i approach almost every story of "cancellation" on a case-by-case basis, trying not to bring my prejudices into it. but what's unique about this situation is there were clear rules that were intentionally broken, not just a vague accusation about being made uncomfortable or whatever.
the only acting i've done was high school theater in the late 90s. far from a perfect parallel to a hollywood sex scene, but I did smooch some ladies on stage, nbd. If that smooch had turned into me touching said actresses thigh you bet there'd have been consequences.
Post by itrainmonkeys on May 6, 2022 12:06:25 GMT -5
The difference in responses from Langella and Murray are huge. If you haven't seen or read Murray's apology/response check it out. It's so much better and sounds sincere
Yeah the problem I see is that he thinks he's right and everyone else on production, at netflix, and the professional publicists are wrong. If all it took was really "touching her leg" to set the actress off to storm off set, then there was obviously already a lot of contention going on beforehand. I was a fan of Longella, but this sounds just like Johnny Depp in not being able to handle the fact that you being wrong costed you everything.
One of the things saying "they'll dig into your past." Seems to suggest that perhaps he's got some other things he'd rather not come out.
Like it'd be one thing if he said to the much younger actress beforehand "I'm going to do some improv to make this more believable, are you okay with this?", but he was clearly entitled off his legacy and thought he was smarter than everyone else in the room, and apparently still thinks that way.
Yeah the problem I see is that he thinks he's right and everyone else on production, at netflix, and the professional publicists are wrong. If all it took was really "touching her leg" to set the actress off to storm off set, then there was obviously already a lot of contention going on beforehand. I was a fan of Longella, but this sounds just like Johnny Depp in not being able to handle the fact that you being wrong costed you everything.
One of the things saying "they'll dig into your past." Seems to suggest that perhaps he's got some other things he'd rather not come out.
Yah considering the other actor was much younger and less established, and therefore certainly less powerful in terms of "speaking out" and being heard, speaks a lot to what happened. It takes a lot for someone like Langella or Murray to be removed from a project - a lot of people have to agree that it's a fireable offense. Also, it's not as if he hadn't been told the rules and expectations required of him on this project, as he even states himself!
Considering Louis CK just won a Grammy, Langella just needed to wait it out. Men are never ultimately punished for far greater crimes. This would've been fine in a year.
The difference in responses from Langella and Murray are huge. If you haven't seen or read Murray's apology/response check it out. It's so much better and sounds sincere
“It’s been quite an education for me. I’ve been doing not much else but thinking about it.” Murray said. “The world is different than when I was a little kid. What I always thought was funny as a little kid isn’t necessarily the same as what’s funny now. Things change. The times change. It’s important for me to figure it out.”
He continued, “I thought about, ‘How could I misperceive? How could I be so inaccurate and so insensitive,’ when you think you’re being sensitive to some sensibility that you’ve had for a long time.”
“I think it’s a sad dog that can’t learn anymore,” Murray said of learning from his mistakes. “That’s a really sad puppy that can’t learn anymore. I don’t want to be that sad dog and I have no intention of it.”
“As of now we are talking and we are trying to make peace with each other,” Murray said.
“What would make me the happiest would be to put my boots on and for both of us to go back into work and be able to trust each other and work at the work that we’ve both spent a lot of time developing the skill of, and hopefully do something that’s good for more than just the two of us but for the whole crew of people, the filmmakers, and the studio as well,” he said.
for anyone curious, here are some quotes from his response. i agree it's the opposite of Langella's response and seems sincere.
obviously we don't know the specifics but i hope it all works out and they are able to wrap up the movie.
Post by itrainmonkeys on May 6, 2022 14:42:01 GMT -5
Yeah, like I'm sure he's also got some PR people helping him craft what he's saying but all the stuff he says comes across as owning what he did, recognizing that it was wrong, acknowledging that things he said/did years ago that he thought were funny maybe weren't or at least times have changed and they're not accepted much anymore. He says the obvious things about learning and trying to make peace and all that. He's taking the blame and not pointing the finger at EVERYONE else like Langella seems to. Langella seemed annoyed at the production, Netflix, the actress, the intimacy coordinator, and the media. Murray said "I have to learn and am working on it/reflecting on it."
Yeah the problem I see is that he thinks he's right and everyone else on production, at netflix, and the professional publicists are wrong. If all it took was really "touching her leg" to set the actress off to storm off set, then there was obviously already a lot of contention going on beforehand. I was a fan of Longella, but this sounds just like Johnny Depp in not being able to handle the fact that you being wrong costed you everything. One of the things saying "they'll dig into your past." Seems to suggest that perhaps he's got some other things he'd rather not come out.
it did come up in something I was reading that he basically wrote a sexual escapade memoir about a handful of the people in Hollywood he pal'd around with after they all died
Yeah, like I'm sure he's also got some PR people helping him craft what he's saying but all the stuff he says comes across as owning what he did, recognizing that it was wrong, acknowledging that things he said/did years ago that he thought were funny maybe weren't or at least times have changed and they're not accepted much anymore. He says the obvious things about learning and trying to make peace and all that. He's taking the blame and not pointing the finger at EVERYONE else like Langella seems to. Langella seemed annoyed at the production, Netflix, the actress, the intimacy coordinator, and the media. Murray said "I have to learn and am working on it/reflecting on it."
Bill Murray doesn’t have PR people. He doesn’t even have an agent. If you want him for a project, you have to try and get him on the phone, and good luck with that. I’m sure he could hire some PR, but I kind of doubt he would.
Do we know the actress involved in the Frank Longella incident? From what I could gather, it was Mary McDonell. She is not some young ingenue that could have misconstrued his actions.
Do we know the actress involved in the Frank Longella incident? From what I could gather, it was Mary McDonell. She is not some young ingenue that could have misconstrued his actions.
Yeah, I was going to mention that it seemed like he was throwing her under the bus by not mentioning her name but by specifically saying the role she was playing lol. I also went to IMDB and it was clear who he was saying was the one who got upset. Apparently this isn't right. See the next post