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Tom Morello went to Harvard and apparently that played a role in them deciding to do the fest.
May be true but competition is competition, not like Firefly can Poop out a lineup and say “Sorry guys nobody is reuniting for a tour that went to University of Delaware so here’s Tame Impala, Maroon 5, and Billie Elish. See you at the woodlands!”
Just to play devil's advocate, maybe that top line saves them some money to spend on a deeper undercard?
May be true but competition is competition, not like Firefly can Poop out a lineup and say “Sorry guys nobody is reuniting for a tour that went to University of Delaware so here’s Tame Impala, Maroon 5, and Billie Elish. See you at the woodlands!”
Just to play devil's advocate, maybe that top line saves them some money to spend on a deeper undercard?
That was the excuse last year and I still don’t think it was justified.
Ok so if Boston Calling got Rage, Firefly better have something decent to put out or they are fucked. They can't get cute again and expect everyone to just march to Delaware in June.
theres no excuse for them to not have Frank/Rage or some similar level top headliner. If a festival half the size on the Harvard campus can get Rage this fest should too
Especially since they're basically the same price now. $339 plus fees for BC. I don't see it happening though
That was the excuse last year and I still don’t think it was justified.
Yeah who am I kiddin. No way I'm getting hopes up for Rage. With RHCP out, maybe we'll get Foo Fighters before they hit Rock in Rio?
Firefly would have to shell out big time for them since it would cross off two guaranteed sell outs at BB&T or a stadium show at Lincoln Financial Field depending on radius claus and a potential summer tour. Also they're overseas anyway, and it'd be a travel nightmare to fly back for one gig to then fly to Rio in the same weekend. I don't see that happening
Bunburry festival (usually happens last weekend in May) emailed last week with new dates June 5-7, a Week after Gov ball and a week before Roo. And that lineups release party is on January 30th. I think we may have a couple more weeks to go before a Firefly release as well. Still no Gov Ball lineup either.
Bunburry festival (usually happens last weekend in May) emailed last week with new dates June 5-7, a Week after Gov ball and a week before Roo. And that lineups release party is on January 30th. I think we may have a couple more weeks to go before a Firefly release as well. Still no Gov Ball lineup either.
I see no reason why Firefly would be waiting for Bunbury
Bunburry festival (usually happens last weekend in May) emailed last week with new dates June 5-7, a Week after Gov ball and a week before Roo. And that lineups release party is on January 30th. I think we may have a couple more weeks to go before a Firefly release as well. Still no Gov Ball lineup either.
That's actually the same weekend as Gov Ball this year so maybe some overlap there.
Bunburry festival (usually happens last weekend in May) emailed last week with new dates June 5-7, a Week after Gov ball and a week before Roo. And that lineups release party is on January 30th. I think we may have a couple more weeks to go before a Firefly release as well. Still no Gov Ball lineup either.
I see no reason why Firefly would be waiting for Bunbury
No, Not that they are waiting for bunburry. just that Them, Boston Calling, Gov Ball, and just about every lineup was out this time last year just makes me think there’s a band/act that all these fest are sharing. Just an opinion
I see no reason why Firefly would be waiting for Bunbury
No, Not that they are waiting for bunburry. just that Them, Boston Calling, Gov Ball, and just about every lineup was out this time last year just makes me think there’s a band/act that all these fest are sharing. Just an opinion
My take is that there are somewhere between two to three acts who are potential headliners for a number of festivals who have yet to formally confirm that they are or arent in for a number of festivals. two of these I believe are Rage and Frank, there could also be some sort of mystery other act as well.
No, Not that they are waiting for bunburry. just that Them, Boston Calling, Gov Ball, and just about every lineup was out this time last year just makes me think there’s a band/act that all these fest are sharing. Just an opinion
My take is that there are somewhere between two to three acts who are potential headliners for a number of festivals who have yet to formally confirm that they are or arent in for a number of festivals. two of these I believe are Rage and Frank, there could also be some sort of mystery other act as well.
No, Not that they are waiting for bunburry. just that Them, Boston Calling, Gov Ball, and just about every lineup was out this time last year just makes me think there’s a band/act that all these fest are sharing. Just an opinion
My take is that there are somewhere between two to three acts who are potential headliners for a number of festivals who have yet to formally confirm that they are or arent in for a number of festivals. two of these I believe are Rage and Frank, there could also be some sort of mystery other act as well.
Whatever it is, something really odd is going on this festival season. Not only are BC, Gov Ball and Firefly "late" on lineups, you got some of Europe's biggest fest still with empty headliner slots (Rock Werchter, NOS Alive, Mad Cool just released phase 2 and STILL no headliners on Friday...) It makes sense if this "hold-up" crew is a mixture of Frank/Rage/MCR, but I'm moreso curious as to who the backups are in case these fests can't land their desired headliner. I don't think it's a good sign that Coachella's backup was frickin' Calvin Harris (if its true that the MCR booking did fall through last minute.)
Can someone ask the old lady from Egypt what she thinks of Lana Del Rey headlining Coachella so we can know whether the festival has redeemed its reputation as a laughingstock worldwide
Post by The Foot Fuckin' Master on Jan 13, 2020 14:09:45 GMT -5
I don't think it's that odd (European festivals have been late in prior years too). More so that we've just been conditioned to expect lineups sooner rather than later, partially because there has been a rat race of festivals trying to sell as many tickets in advance by announcing as early as possible.
I think it just feels weird cause we can pretty much see serval fests in a bidding war currently for the three top dog gets of the year. Which has left an obvious stalemate. We shall see who comes out victorious and who hangs their head in shame while unveiling a stinker . Regardless I feel pretty confident that Firefly will be one of the stinkers
My take is that there are somewhere between two to three acts who are potential headliners for a number of festivals who have yet to formally confirm that they are or arent in for a number of festivals. two of these I believe are Rage and Frank, there could also be some sort of mystery other act as well.
Whatever it is, something really odd is going on this festival season. Not only are BC, Gov Ball and Firefly "late" on lineups, you got some of Europe's biggest fest still with empty headliner slots (Rock Werchter, NOS Alive, Mad Cool just released phase 2 and STILL no headliners on Friday...) It makes sense if this "hold-up" crew is a mixture of Frank/Rage/MCR, but I'm moreso curious as to who the backups are in case these fests can't land their desired headliner. I don't think it's a good sign that Coachella's backup was frickin' Calvin Harris (if its true that the MCR booking did fall through last minute.)
Agree with all of this, but I do think that if Calvin Harris was booked for this festival a large percentage of their market would be very happy
Post by dreadpirateroberts on Jan 13, 2020 15:57:09 GMT -5
After the Rage-Boston Calling confirmation, I’m pretty much sold on that festival. Gov Ball lineup sounds promising too. I doubt this lineup will be better than what we have heard from the other two.
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After the Rage-Boston Calling confirmation, I’m pretty much sold on that festival. Gov Ball lineup sounds promising too. I doubt this lineup will be better than what we have heard from the other two.
Unless there's a true wildcard (like a legend act), the best Firefly can probably do is:
Tame Impala - MCR - *
I think that's a reasonable start, depending on where else MCR ends up playing. It would certainly benefit Firefly to be the first festival to announce having MCR, if they do play others.
After the Rage-Boston Calling confirmation, I’m pretty much sold on that festival. Gov Ball lineup sounds promising too. I doubt this lineup will be better than what we have heard from the other two.
I’m thinking unless Firefly has a few artists up their sleeve that are totally out of left field and unexpected, then this year will be average at best.
More people than I would have expected seem to retrospectively view the FF 2019 as not being as bad as it was, saying it had some “gems” in the undercard.
While it wasn’t the worst festival lineup ever released, and I did see a lot of cool performances, it really wasn’t as exciting or awesome as previous years. Even the “gems” in the undercard weren’t great enough to overcome the garbage. (Also , I think getting rid of the pavilion was a HUGE mistake. Took away from the day time raving in the shade that was always a blast).
People have been saying for years now that Firefly needed to go back to it’s alt-rock heavy lineups. Honestly, I love how eclectic the lineups can be. It’s because of Firefly that over the years I became a fan of electronic music the way I am now. While 2012 was amazing, it was so much fun every year after not just rocking out but also raving my face off when I wanted to. They just need to do a better job of booking quality artists.
I just wish I knew what the top three things they take into consideration when putting the lineup together are.
Did last year sell as bad as people say? I was in North Camping which seemed pretty packed. The festival itself did seem pretty empty throughout most of the day, and I seriously think Post Malone might have had the biggest headliner crowd of the weekend if that says anything.
I know Firefly had signed an agreement to lease the property from Dover Downs that ends sometime in the early 2020’s. That’s something to consider as well.
If Panorama was still around, I would think Goldenvoice (or whoever runs Firefly now) would be less likely to want to continue shelling out cash for this festival in Delaware if it wasn’t working out. I’m assuming the company that puts on Bonnaroo owns the Farm right? That’s got to be a huge thing with Firefly, their hands are probably extremely tied in a lot of ways because it isn’t technically their property.
Plus, it gives Roo the leverage of having performances and other shit going on just about 24/7. It gives them a lot more time and space to work with.
Even if Firefly does outlive the lease, would they continue doing it in Dover, Delaware? There has to be somewhere better to throw a festival. It might be “centrally located” to some major metropolitan areas, but what difference does it make if you’re operating at a loss every year?
Basically though, Firefly really needs to deliver a UNIQUE (and unique as in QUALITY but not a copy/paste of every other major festival this summer) and eclectic lineup. And I do think alternative rock could use better representation, more in the headliners as opposed to the undercard.
I honestly think if it had been some other band and not PATD last year, that one booking would have changed how I view the lineup. It’s the same thing if they book Maroon 5 this year. Yeah they might have hits, they might have a lot of fans, but is that really who you want to travel to a festival to see? A band that probably does stadium tours every year or so that you could get tickets to?
If instead of PATD last year it had been a band like Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Green Day, or some other band with a deep and awesome catalog and legendary status, it would have made everything seem more worth it.
In 2017 I wasn’t a huge fan of Chance the Rapper or The Weeknd, but I was extremely psyched to see Muse and they blew me away, and really sealed that weekend as an awesome one for me. (Although I will say, I was a big fan of The Weeknd’s set as well)
Idk. They just need to throw the rock fans a bit more of a bone. When it comes to this year, anyone going to Firefly is going to see rebirth or death.
I don’t know if they can afford another lackluster year. The reputation for Firefly started off not great and has only gotten worse through questionable booking, a lot of underage teen bullshit, as well as some infrastructure weirdness (the fort anyone? Or again, removal of the pavilion).
You’re either going to see a lot of stunning surprises this year, or just about what you expect (but probably a bit worse).
After the Rage-Boston Calling confirmation, I’m pretty much sold on that festival. Gov Ball lineup sounds promising too. I doubt this lineup will be better than what we have heard from the other two.
People have been saying for years now that Firefly needed to go back to it’s alt-rock heavy lineups. Honestly, I love how eclectic the lineups can be. It’s because of Firefly that over the years I became a fan of electronic music the way I am now. While 2012 was amazing, it was so much fun every year after not just rocking out but also raving my face off when I wanted to. They just need to do a better job of booking quality artists.
I understand your sentiment but FF has never had a true alt rock heavy lineup, unless you base your definition of "alt" by any of the hundreds of Iheartmedia owned alt stations across the country. Booking more rock won't save this fest from demise either. What they need is something exciting and non generic. They need to decide what the core identity of this fest is. Are they gonna pander to the lowest common denominator and book something like Maroon 5 - Billie - Lizzo or are they even gonna try and compete with the competition
People have been saying for years now that Firefly needed to go back to it’s alt-rock heavy lineups. Honestly, I love how eclectic the lineups can be. It’s because of Firefly that over the years I became a fan of electronic music the way I am now. While 2012 was amazing, it was so much fun every year after not just rocking out but also raving my face off when I wanted to. They just need to do a better job of booking quality artists.
I understand your sentiment but FF has never had a true alt rock heavy lineup, unless you base your definition of "alt" by any of the hundreds of Iheartmedia owned alt stations across the country. Booking more rock won't save this fest from demise either. What they need is something exciting and non generic. They need to decide what the core identity of this fest is. Are they gonna pander to the lowest common denominator and book something like Maroon 5 - Billie - Lizzo or are they even gonna try and compete with the competition
Maybe I’m misreading your comment, but I wasn’t implying that I personally think they need to make it more “alt-rock” heavy. I just see a lot of people make that claim, but I agree with you. 2012 is the only year I feel like you could argue it was truly “alt-rock”.
I think something that might exist, and maybe I’m just crazy and if I am feel free to tell me, but I think there “pop” artists, the ones with the hits on the local radio station and the most streams and views on YouTube that the average person likes, but then there is a whole different scale of “popular” that I think applies to people like us that frequent this board, and other music forums/subreddits who despite having a lot of disagreements do tend to have similar ideas as to what makes an artist or act desirable.
And I think festivals, especially Firefly need to take notice of that.
I’ve never been to Bonnaroo but they get it. Imo they balance (some years better than others) having POP stars and artists/bands that your mom won’t know but anyone on these forums would blow a load over.
Because I’ve been frequenting festival subreddits and boards on here and honestly all throughout, common festival goers seem to have similar opinions as to what makes artists “worth it”, and those opinions are different from your typical IHeartRadio listener.
Idk. I’m high and don’t know if that makes sense. Sorry if it turned into a ramble.
Maybe it’s just easier for them to attract people who have never been then it is to please people with, more expectations I guess?
To be fair a top line of Lineup looking something like
Maroon 5 | Bassnectar | Run the Jewels
My Chemical Romance | Miley Cyrus | Cage the Elephant
Tame Impala | Solange | Logic
Would sell insanely well for this fest
Yea this would do really well, but probably has one or three too many names that would actually show up on the Firefly lineup. This has a combo different enough from other East Coast festivals to get significant ticket sales., and that's with the black eye of Maroon 5 (but some will get excited about I guess?).
To be fair a top line of Lineup looking something like
Maroon 5 | Bassnectar | Run the Jewels
My Chemical Romance | Miley Cyrus | Cage the Elephant
Tame Impala | Solange | Logic
Would sell insanely well for this fest
Yea this would do really well, but probably has one or three too many names that would actually show up on the Firefly lineup. This has a combo different enough from other East Coast festivals to get significant ticket sales., and that's with the black eye of Maroon 5 (but some will get excited about I guess?).
Yea this would do really well, but probably has one or three too many names that would actually show up on the Firefly lineup. This has a combo different enough from other East Coast festivals to get significant ticket sales., and that's with the black eye of Maroon 5 (but some will get excited about I guess?).
Post by Jeremy Jamm on Jan 13, 2020 20:36:42 GMT -5
Bigger name than Tame Impala - MCR - Maroon 5 or just a better lineup that what walaka posted?
I'm not even sure who'd that be. Pretty awesome if it was Elton John or Bruce, but I'm thinking maybeeeee Pearl Jam? Waiting on those new dates to inevitably sell out before releasing the lineup? Tickets on sale Jan 24th, probably sell out right away. Firefly releases Jan 28th? There are only a few names actually available beyond a legacy act that I can think of.
. Regardless I feel pretty confident that Firefly will be one of the stinkers 
