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LAC - talented roster, stud QB, ability to build a fan base
JAX - draft capital, cap room, patient owner, division up for grabs, low expectations
HOU - set at QB, division up for grabs
ATL - have some talent, though it's aging. Brady & Brees not long for the division
DET - not the Jets
NYJ - will always be 2nd most popular football team in the market, play in NJ, have decide on Darnold or a QB in the 1st round based on how Gase managed the team, Fireman Ed.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 5, 2021 16:51:22 GMT -5
I don't think the AFC South is up for grabs, really. The Colts might be looking for a new QB soon, but they and the Titans both just went 11-5. Colts D is fierce and Ryan Tannehill has been a borderline stud this year. DeShaun is a great QB, but who he'll be throwing to next year is a question mark. Will Fuller is about to get paid, likely by someone else. Brandin Cooks has a contract out, so some decisions need to be made there. Texans' D was in the bottom quarter of the league, too (27th in points allowed), and they will not be able to build in the draft until the later rounds, where they have an extra fourth and two extra sixths. They need to nail some of those picks. They could win the division next year, because DeShaun is that good, but it's probably going to be tough sledding for a couple years. A lot of the same stuff goes for the Jaguars. Even if the South were up for grabs, they're in no position to grab it in the next couple of years, except that they could have the most talented QB-RB combo in the league at some point.
I don't think the AFC South is up for grabs, really. The Colts might be looking for a new QB soon, but they and the Titans both just went 11-5. Colts D is fierce and Ryan Tannehill has been a borderline stud this year. DeShaun is a great QB, but who he'll be throwing to next year is a question mark. Will Fuller is about to get paid, likely by someone else. Brandin Cooks has a contract out, so some decisions need to be made there. Texans' D was in the bottom quarter of the league, too (27th in points allowed), and they will not be able to build in the draft until the later rounds, where they have an extra fourth and two extra sixths. They need to nail some of those picks. They could win the division next year, because DeShaun is that good, but it's probably going to be tough sledding for a couple years. A lot of the same stuff goes for the Jaguars. Even if the South were up for grabs, they're in no position to grab it in the next couple of years, except that they could have the most talented QB-RB combo in the league at some point.
You just said the division wasn't up for grabs and then made the case for each team winning it.
Post by potentpotables on Jan 5, 2021 17:42:42 GMT -5
The thing that piggy pablo didn't mention is that both the Titans and Colts nailed their last head coach hires and they have easily top 10 coaches. Will be tough for both Houston and Jax to do the same this offseason.
Best head coaches:
1. obviously
in no order other than how they came to mind:
2. Sean Payton 3. Mike Tomlin 4. Pete Carroll 5. John Harbaugh 6. Andy Reid
Up and comers:
7. Sean McVay 8. Sean McDermott 9. Mike Vrabel 10. Frank Reich 11. Brian Flores
Still a chance to be really good:
12. Matt Rhule 13. Kevin Stefanski 14. Joe Judge
I can't figure out where to put Arians, Shanahan, Kingsbury, Rivera, Pederson...
I don't think the AFC South is up for grabs, really. The Colts might be looking for a new QB soon, but they and the Titans both just went 11-5. Colts D is fierce and Ryan Tannehill has been a borderline stud this year. DeShaun is a great QB, but who he'll be throwing to next year is a question mark. Will Fuller is about to get paid, likely by someone else. Brandin Cooks has a contract out, so some decisions need to be made there. Texans' D was in the bottom quarter of the league, too (27th in points allowed), and they will not be able to build in the draft until the later rounds, where they have an extra fourth and two extra sixths. They need to nail some of those picks. They could win the division next year, because DeShaun is that good, but it's probably going to be tough sledding for a couple years. A lot of the same stuff goes for the Jaguars. Even if the South were up for grabs, they're in no position to grab it in the next couple of years, except that they could have the most talented QB-RB combo in the league at some point.
You just said the division wasn't up for grabs and then made the case for each team winning it.
Lol no I didn't. I just said that the Texans and Jaguars could turn things around in like two years.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 5, 2021 18:07:59 GMT -5
It might be up for grabs between the Colts and Titans. Not sure how that's relevant to the allure of coaching positions in Houston and Jacksonville. Things change fast in the NFL, just look at the Eagles, but I pretty clearly said that Texans are bad, could get worse unless they just beast out on late picks, and the Jaguars might have two very talented players, but only because they were possibly one of the worst NFL teams ever assembled this year. The South isn't any more up for grabs than other divisions. They have two 11-win teams, a 4-win team, and a 1-win team. That's not what "up for grabs" means to me. It kinda means the opposite.
You just said the division wasn't up for grabs and then made the case for each team winning it.
Lol no I didn't. I just said that the Texans and Jaguars could turn things around in like two years.
You said:
They could win the division next year, because DeShaun is that good, but it's probably going to be tough sledding for a couple years. A lot of the same stuff goes for the Jaguars.
It might be up for grabs between the Colts and Titans. Not sure how that's relevant to the allure of coaching positions in Houston and Jacksonville. Things change fast in the NFL, just look at the Eagles, but I pretty clearly said that Texans are bad, could get worse unless they just beast out on late picks, and the Jaguars might have two very talented players, but only because they were possibly one of the worst NFL teams ever assembled this year. The South isn't any more up for grabs than other divisions. They have two 11-win teams, a 4-win team, and a 1-win team. That's not what "up for grabs" means to me. It kinda means the opposite.
Indy is about to be back in QB purgatory with Rivers already mulling retirement. Reich is a good coach but you need a QB for sustained success.
I don't have a lot of faith in Vrabel as a coach. I think they've got a stud RB (and those don't last long) and a good QB with some decent WR talent. I think that they'll contend in the division for a couple of years but Henry won't be able to carry them to long.
Jax has the #1 pick and a look at a QB that had been treated as an Andrew Luck-esque sure thing as far as talent goes.
Houston... has a QB but, you're right, they are hamstrung in the draft and BOB fucked the organization for the near future. But they have a QB.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 5, 2021 20:59:03 GMT -5
I literally said they *could* but probably wouldn't and spent most of the post talking about what a bad situation they're in. I made nods to the positives but it's mostly negatives. The AFC South is not wide open. That is what I think. Sorry I made a motion toward the fact that I'm not a soothsayer.
I literally said they *could* but probably wouldn't and spent most of the post talking about what a bad situation they're in. I made nods to the positives but it's mostly negatives. The AFC South is not wide open. That is what I think. Sorry I made a motion toward the fact that I'm not a soothsayer.
Apology accepted.
We'll have to agree to disagree but I suspect the division will have three different winners in the next four years.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 5, 2021 21:02:59 GMT -5
In the next four years, maybe, but this is basically true of any division in the NFL, so noting it speficially for that division was what I took issue with.
Post by piggy pablo on Jan 5, 2021 21:14:40 GMT -5
Imagine if they had had him making moves for the past year instead of BOB.
Do the Texans have space to sign Fuller? They're about 18M over the cap for next year, as of right now, it looks like. Trading Watt erases that, pretty much, but that just gets them back to zero.
Duane Brown started every game this year for Seattle and had one penalty. dog shit trade followed by an even larger dogshit trade for a more expensive less good replacement
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 6, 2021 14:04:04 GMT -5
Jax is the best HC opening but there is a strong case for LAC.
The beauty of the Jax opening is that the floor is so low coming in, the media market is soft as fuck, but everyone in Jacksonville actually cares about the team. You can be the face of saving a franchise along with Trevor. A key reason for Jacksonville keeping the team long term.
If Herbert or the offense takes any kind of step back, you look like shit. They have way less cap space to play with. The Chargers also don't have a GM opening like we do. It's likely that the Coach we hire will be not only on the same level of the GM without reporting to them, but they may even have a say in the GM hire.
I'm not sure there has ever been as clean of a slate for a new coach / gm to play with as the situation we have right now. With almost no pressure. Go 5-11 with Trevor playing well next year and this city is fired up about the jags future.
Not only is LAC the second LA Team, Football the second LA sport, but sports in general could vanish from LA and the city wouldn't miss a beat. It's a combination of low expectations + the people of the city actually caring about you that sets us apart imo.
Post by Jake Jortles on Jan 6, 2021 14:06:46 GMT -5
Thats what separates Jax from LAC since they are both great jobs.
Obviously Trevor + most cap room + tons of other draft picks is why we are a better landing spot than any of the others. I think we pick 5 times in this draft before Houston picks once.
Oh btw Silver Surfer won $1,250 on Jags At Home Sunday. Lets Gooooooo!
Looks like I'll be watching a lot of Jags games starting next year. Will this be happening next year?
haha not sure yet. We gave out a total of $160,000 this year, but we expected a much larger audience. Will depend on how well we can sell it to sponsors. If they were happy with it we will do it again. If not, we will probably do a scaled down version giving out left cash but more gift cards and shit.
Hoping the rest of the league does something similar next year.
Post by potentpotables on Jan 6, 2021 16:05:56 GMT -5
Jake Jortles my only concern is that Shad Kahn has indicated he's going to have control over the roster like Jerry Jones. That's not a good thing, though maybe it's overstated where I saw it.
Jake Jortles my only concern is that Shad Kahn has indicated he's going to have control over the roster like Jerry Jones. That's not a good thing, though maybe it's overstated where I saw it.
I'm hoping that he tells the incoming GM & Head Coach that "You do not have a number 1 overall pick. That decision has already been made."
But basically what I interpret him to be saying is that the Coach and GM will both equally report to him and if there is a dispute he will make the final decision. Which leads me to believe that there was clashing between our previous GM and Coaches and the GM just had the full authority to cut / trade players even if the coach was against it. Shad know no more than me about football so I don't believe he will be getting into the nitty gritty.
Jake Jortles my only concern is that Shad Kahn has indicated he's going to have control over the roster like Jerry Jones. That's not a good thing, though maybe it's overstated where I saw it.
I'm hoping that he tells the incoming GM & Head Coach that "You do not have a number 1 overall pick. That decision has already been made."
But basically what I interpret him to be saying is that the Coach and GM will both equally report to him and if there is a dispute he will make the final decision. Which leads me to believe that there was clashing between our previous GM and Coaches and the GM just had the full authority to cut / trade players even if the coach was against it. Shad know no more than me about football so I don't believe he will be getting into the nitty gritty.