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So, it turns out that those of us getting COVID right now, especially on the coasts, may actually have the next thing post-XBB (Spoiler alert...like XBB, it's another Omicron offshoot which isn't that much different from Omicron in its symptoms and severity.)
So, it turns out that those of us getting COVID right now, especially on the coasts, may actually have the next thing post-XBB (Spoiler alert...like XBB, it's another Omicron offshoot which isn't that much different from Omicron in its symptoms and severity.)
EG differs from XBB.1.5 by only two small mutations on the spike protein. This is good news as the updated booster coming in the next month or so should be well matched.
Post by Fitter Happier on Aug 13, 2023 15:12:48 GMT -5
Does anyone have experience with peripheral neuropathy after having COVID? Weirdly enough I've developed some sort of nerve issue, still undiagnosed, about 11 months out from having COVID. Oddly, my little (half) sister who got COVID at the same place/time is also experiencing pins and needles and hands and feet (she's like 11 years younger than me, healthy, and other than half of our genes and DNA we live pretty different lifestyles). We're unaware of some genetic/hereditary neurological condition, but not ruling that out (possibly like a demyelinating nerve issue?). I've heard of people experiencing neuropathy after both COVID and vaccination and just curious of people's experiences? It's been about 5 weeks total, seemingly out of nowhere in terms of an antecedent/trigger/cause, and I've ruled a ton out with blood work, a lumbar MRI, and now a CT scan all without pathology. Heading back to the PCP on Tuesday and going to push for a neurology referral, but figured I'd poll you folks, since I keep hearing a ton of local anecdotal experiences of COVID and neuropathy and have read some 2022 research on the subject as well.
Post by thepiratepenguin on Aug 13, 2023 17:27:47 GMT -5
Dang, hope you can have a neurologist figure that out! There's still so much it seems we don't know about how this thing works.
Realized I haven't been to an indoor show since March other than a couple tiny things at the Zebulon, and that show was where I happened to get that nasty cold, but now 5 of my 6 upcoming non-festival tickets are for indoor shows. I have a few travel plans in the fall that I would really like to not get sick for, so I'm considering unloading one or two with the recent covid uptick. Jessie Ware at the Palladium is the most likely for the chopping block (Face value $59 if anyone's interested!), since I saw her pretty recently and everything else is at a 1k-cap or smaller venue.
So, after testing negative four times between last Thursday and yesterday (Sunday), I'm free of the usual COVID symptoms, but something's been happening that has me concerned. While I felt absolutely great for a few days in the middle of last week, even before that first negative test, I've been feeling unusually tired since late last week. Two kinds of tired, actually. I feel unusually sleepy at various times during the day, and often doze off for a couple of minutes here and there while sitting at my computer while working or otherwise. I also feel more of a physical fatigue after doing things that aren't necessarily that strenuous, like taking out a bag of trash.
I've gone through periods of that "dozing off for a minute here and there" before, but usually only when I haven't gotten much sleep and never more than once per day. It's happened as often as 3 or 4 times per day lately.
Has anyone here had this happen to them after recovering from the main COVID symptoms and testing negative multiple times? If so, how long did it take to pass for you? I'm planning on going to a local music festival on Sat and Sun this upcoming weekend, but I can't imagine going if this doesn't turn around by then. Especially since the subway line that goes to that area is going to be out of service this weekend, replaced by shuttle buses; either way, there's then a 10-15 minute walk to the site from the subway station where the shuttle bus stops to the grounds.
There's a free outdoor show on early Thursday evening closer to me than the festival and one where it's a single bus ride there; one which has a stop literally feet from my apartment building and drops off a 5 minute or so walk from the event. That's going to be my dry run to see if I'm able to do that without being overwhelmed by fatigue.
Caffeine seems to help (obviously), but I've seen the list of food vendors for next weekend and iced coffee availability is doubtful. Monster Energy is there, but their drinks contain guarana, which isn't something I want to ingest. Maybe I'll bring a five hour energy with me to sip when needed, since that's doesn't have any funky herbs in the mix. Honestly, I'd rather just have an iced coffee.
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So, after testing negative four times between last Thursday and yesterday (Sunday), I'm free of the usual COVID symptoms, but something's been happening that has me concerned. While I felt absolutely great for a few days in the middle of last week, even before that first negative test, I've been feeling unusually tired since late last week. Two kinds of tired, actually. I feel unusually sleepy at various times during the day, and often doze off for a couple of minutes here and there while sitting at my computer while working or otherwise. I also feel more of a physical fatigue after doing things that aren't necessarily that strenuous, like taking out a bag of trash.
I've gone through periods of that "dozing off for a minute here and there" before, but usually only when I haven't gotten much sleep and never more than once per day. It's happened as often as 3 or 4 times per day lately.
Has anyone here had this happen to them after recovering from the main COVID symptoms and testing negative multiple times? If so, how long did it take to pass for you? I'm planning on going to a local music festival on Sat and Sun this upcoming weekend, but I can't imagine going if this doesn't turn around by then. Especially since the subway line that goes to that area is going to be out of service this weekend, replaced by shuttle buses; either way, there's then a 10-15 minute walk to the site from the subway station where the shuttle bus stops to the grounds.
There's a free outdoor show on early Thursday evening closer to me than the festival and one where it's a single bus ride there; one which has a stop literally feet from my apartment building and drops off a 5 minute or so walk from the event. That's going to be my dry run to see if I'm able to do that without being overwhelmed by fatigue.
Caffeine seems to help (obviously), but I've seen the list of food vendors for next weekend and iced coffee availability is doubtful. Monster Energy is there, but their drinks contain guarana, which isn't something I want to ingest. Maybe I'll bring a five hour energy with me to sip when needed, since that's doesn't have any funky herbs in the mix. Honestly, I'd rather just have an iced coffee.
I had a huge downtick in stamina when I had covid the first time, and it lasted a little less than two months. Some days were better than others, but I didn't feel like my normal endurance level returned until then.
I think I had Covid recently even though I never tested positive, and I'm experiencing the same issues as last time weeks after I've been better. I got into running a little while ago and it's been hard to run without stopping right now. I'm hoping it's temporary like last time.
The good news is that the fatigue and tiredness are pretty much gone and I feel well enough to go to the festival this weekend.
The bad news is that the Boston area's transit system, the MBTA, is shutting down a portion of the only subway line that goes to the festival site this weekend and is replacing it with shuttle buses. That's not a big deal when ridership is at normal levels, but if 500-1,000 people try to board the replacement shuttle buses at the same time, some may wind up waiting for up to two hours to get on a shuttle. At 30-40 people per bus load, they almost certainly won't have enough shuttle buses to handle the demand. Their stations and bus malls literally aren't large enough to accommodate even half of the number of buses they'd need to move everyone in a timely manner.
At least there's a free show with a bunch of local/regional bands happening in a part of town (closer to me) where the MBTA is running normally on Saturday, which will be my consolation prize for missing the festival and wasting the money on a two-day pass.
Epidemiologists have described the immune response to COVID and the vaccines as one in which vaccination or natural infection create high antibody levels as well as B and T cells which will later generate more antibodies when you're exposed to the virus again, antibodies which are tailored to the variant that you then see (according to Dr. Monica Gandhi).
Studies have shown that antibody levels are highest beginning two weeks after vaccination or infection, stay at high levels for a few months, and then begin to wane with reduced antibody levels for another 3-6 (?) months.
So, it stands to reason that if you encounter the virus again while your antibody levels are high, your immune system will generate even more antibodies, and those peak levels will be sustained for three months from that subsequent exposure. An analogy would be a driver with a fairly full gas tank who puts that extra gallon or two in to top off the tank. It's now going to take even longer for them to run out of gas.
Apparently, if you encounter the virus when your antibodies are high, your immune system can squash the virus before you'd even test positive, or you wind up with an asymptomatic infection.
I wonder if I've been doing myself a disservice by always wearing a well-fitting N95 mask in all indoor public settings, save for a grand total of 15 minutes or so in the last two years. It's possible that the masking has been working so well that I can go many months without exposure; my antibody levels never get a boost from subsequent exposure while they're already at strong levels, so when I finally do get exposed, I'm likely to wind up with a symptomatic case of COVID, as I did at the beginning of August.
I'm not ready to throw away my masks altogether, but I'm wondering whether, over the course of the next few months when I know my antibody levels are going to be high, I should grab a coffee or a quick bite to eat indoors at a restaurant for 20-30 minutes at a time. I'll surely be exposed sooner or later, and can then "top off the tank."
In some ways it feels like a foolish risk to do this, but having masked diligently since my second round with COVID in early June 2022 and then being infected exactly 14 months later, I wonder if I'd be better served by occasionally keeping the mask off in public. Obviously, the vast majority of people now aren't wearing well-fitting masks in indoor public spaces all of the time, yet the vast majority of them aren't getting COVID again and again and again.
I'm reminded of the advice pediatricians give to parents to not be overly concerned with their children's exposure to the usual colds that go around, since that exposure is needed to build their immune response. I wonder if the same thing applies here.
Epidemiologists have described the immune response to COVID and the vaccines as one in which vaccination or natural infection create high antibody levels as well as B and T cells which will later generate more antibodies when you're exposed to the virus again, antibodies which are tailored to the variant that you then see (according to Dr. Monica Gandhi).
Studies have shown that antibody levels are highest beginning two weeks after vaccination or infection, stay at high levels for a few months, and then begin to wane with reduced antibody levels for another 3-6 (?) months.
So, it stands to reason that if you encounter the virus again while your antibody levels are high, your immune system will generate even more antibodies, and those peak levels will be sustained for three months from that subsequent exposure. An analogy would be a driver with a fairly full gas tank who puts that extra gallon or two in to top off the tank. It's now going to take even longer for them to run out of gas.
Apparently, if you encounter the virus when your antibodies are high, your immune system can squash the virus before you'd even test positive, or you wind up with an asymptomatic infection.
I wonder if I've been doing myself a disservice by always wearing a well-fitting N95 mask in all indoor public settings, save for a grand total of 15 minutes or so in the last two years. It's possible that the masking has been working so well that I can go many months without exposure; my antibody levels never get a boost from subsequent exposure while they're already at strong levels, so when I finally do get exposed, I'm likely to wind up with a symptomatic case of COVID, as I did at the beginning of August.
I'm not ready to throw away my masks altogether, but I'm wondering whether, over the course of the next few months when I know my antibody levels are going to be high, I should grab a coffee or a quick bite to eat indoors at a restaurant for 20-30 minutes at a time. I'll surely be exposed sooner or later, and can then "top off the tank."
In some ways it feels like a foolish risk to do this, but having masked diligently since my second round with COVID in early June 2022 and then being infected exactly 14 months later, I wonder if I'd be better served by occasionally keeping the mask off in public. Obviously, the vast majority of people now aren't wearing well-fitting masks in indoor public spaces all of the time, yet the vast majority of them aren't getting COVID again and again and again.
I'm reminded of the advice pediatricians give to parents to not be overly concerned with their children's exposure to the usual colds that go around, since that exposure is needed to build their immune response. I wonder if the same thing applies here.
Usually I don’t read your long ass ramblings, but this one makes sense. So while you are “topped off” take off the mask, get out there, and for fucks sake, live a little.
Epidemiologists have described the immune response to COVID and the vaccines as one in which vaccination or natural infection create high antibody levels as well as B and T cells which will later generate more antibodies when you're exposed to the virus again, antibodies which are tailored to the variant that you then see (according to Dr. Monica Gandhi).
Studies have shown that antibody levels are highest beginning two weeks after vaccination or infection, stay at high levels for a few months, and then begin to wane with reduced antibody levels for another 3-6 (?) months.
So, it stands to reason that if you encounter the virus again while your antibody levels are high, your immune system will generate even more antibodies, and those peak levels will be sustained for three months from that subsequent exposure. An analogy would be a driver with a fairly full gas tank who puts that extra gallon or two in to top off the tank. It's now going to take even longer for them to run out of gas.
Apparently, if you encounter the virus when your antibodies are high, your immune system can squash the virus before you'd even test positive, or you wind up with an asymptomatic infection.
I wonder if I've been doing myself a disservice by always wearing a well-fitting N95 mask in all indoor public settings, save for a grand total of 15 minutes or so in the last two years. It's possible that the masking has been working so well that I can go many months without exposure; my antibody levels never get a boost from subsequent exposure while they're already at strong levels, so when I finally do get exposed, I'm likely to wind up with a symptomatic case of COVID, as I did at the beginning of August.
I'm not ready to throw away my masks altogether, but I'm wondering whether, over the course of the next few months when I know my antibody levels are going to be high, I should grab a coffee or a quick bite to eat indoors at a restaurant for 20-30 minutes at a time. I'll surely be exposed sooner or later, and can then "top off the tank."
In some ways it feels like a foolish risk to do this, but having masked diligently since my second round with COVID in early June 2022 and then being infected exactly 14 months later, I wonder if I'd be better served by occasionally keeping the mask off in public. Obviously, the vast majority of people now aren't wearing well-fitting masks in indoor public spaces all of the time, yet the vast majority of them aren't getting COVID again and again and again.
I'm reminded of the advice pediatricians give to parents to not be overly concerned with their children's exposure to the usual colds that go around, since that exposure is needed to build their immune response. I wonder if the same thing applies here.
Have you considered that you’re optimizing for the wrong thing? I too waited extremely long to get back to my true “normal” after the pandemic, and skipped close to a dozen shows I actually had tickets for out of fear of getting Covid. Then I realized I’d rather optimize for my health holistically (including mental and physical, not just worrying about a viral illness) and started going out without a care again, and it’s made my life tremendously better. I’m sure I’ll get Covid again soon, but that’s ok, with 3x vax shots and 1x case, it’s extremely unlikely I won’t survive it or will even have a super symptomatic case. Avoiding Covid started to feel like just ruining my mental health to delay the inevitable.
Epidemiologists have described the immune response to COVID and the vaccines as one in which vaccination or natural infection create high antibody levels as well as B and T cells which will later generate more antibodies when you're exposed to the virus again, antibodies which are tailored to the variant that you then see (according to Dr. Monica Gandhi).
Studies have shown that antibody levels are highest beginning two weeks after vaccination or infection, stay at high levels for a few months, and then begin to wane with reduced antibody levels for another 3-6 (?) months.
So, it stands to reason that if you encounter the virus again while your antibody levels are high, your immune system will generate even more antibodies, and those peak levels will be sustained for three months from that subsequent exposure. An analogy would be a driver with a fairly full gas tank who puts that extra gallon or two in to top off the tank. It's now going to take even longer for them to run out of gas.
Apparently, if you encounter the virus when your antibodies are high, your immune system can squash the virus before you'd even test positive, or you wind up with an asymptomatic infection.
I wonder if I've been doing myself a disservice by always wearing a well-fitting N95 mask in all indoor public settings, save for a grand total of 15 minutes or so in the last two years. It's possible that the masking has been working so well that I can go many months without exposure; my antibody levels never get a boost from subsequent exposure while they're already at strong levels, so when I finally do get exposed, I'm likely to wind up with a symptomatic case of COVID, as I did at the beginning of August.
I'm not ready to throw away my masks altogether, but I'm wondering whether, over the course of the next few months when I know my antibody levels are going to be high, I should grab a coffee or a quick bite to eat indoors at a restaurant for 20-30 minutes at a time. I'll surely be exposed sooner or later, and can then "top off the tank."
In some ways it feels like a foolish risk to do this, but having masked diligently since my second round with COVID in early June 2022 and then being infected exactly 14 months later, I wonder if I'd be better served by occasionally keeping the mask off in public. Obviously, the vast majority of people now aren't wearing well-fitting masks in indoor public spaces all of the time, yet the vast majority of them aren't getting COVID again and again and again.
I'm reminded of the advice pediatricians give to parents to not be overly concerned with their children's exposure to the usual colds that go around, since that exposure is needed to build their immune response. I wonder if the same thing applies here.
Have you considered that you’re optimizing for the wrong thing? I too waited extremely long to get back to my true “normal” after the pandemic, and skipped close to a dozen shows I actually had tickets for out of fear of getting Covid. Then I realized I’d rather optimize for my health holistically (including mental and physical, not just worrying about a viral illness) and started going out without a care again, and it’s made my life tremendously better. I’m sure I’ll get Covid again soon, but that’s ok, with 3x vax shots and 1x case, it’s extremely unlikely I won’t survive it or will even have a super symptomatic case. Avoiding Covid started to feel like just ruining my mental health to delay the inevitable.
This is where I am. It took me a really long time as well to stop masking, and get back to "normal", whatever that really is. thejeremy was not wearing masks way before I stopped. I still worry about it, like now, when there is a spike and I work inside at bars, but I just do the things that I know I need to do to be as healthy I as can.
I still mask at overcrowded indoor shows, and I still very very very rarely go grocery shopping, I still order them online to pickup. I have only eaten indoors at restaurants maybe 10 times since lockdowns were lifted. But doing these small things, helps me mentally. You need to find what helps you to get back to you tw12 .
I guess BECAUSE I worked at a grocery store during the worst of the pandemic, since it was my job slinging drugs, that I just have no fear of grocery stores or restaurants at all. We are at the point that this thing is like the flu. We have all had it, might get it again, it kills some, we hope we aren't the some.
I guess BECAUSE I worked at a grocery store during the worst of the pandemic, since it was my job slinging drugs, that I just have no fear of grocery stores or restaurants at all. We are at the point that this thing is like the flu. We have all had it, might get it again, it kills some, we hope we aren't the some.
Yeah 100%, but brains are fucking weird and mental health issues due to traumatic events take time and work to get over.
Honestly, the biggest thing I learned about myself with covid is that I am not a fan of people. I don't like people near me or touching me, friends/family are ok, but I don't want to touch or be near a stranger at all. When patrons high five me or fist bump or shake my hand, I immediately wash them. That is my biggest mental hurdles and grocery stores and restaurants are filled with those fucking germy weirdos.
Concerts/shows have made me uncomfortable too, but the only sold out show I went to had an outdoor area that I stayed in the whole time since only the inside was sold out. I usually try to have a pocket of a few feet around me. Idk if this is something I will ever be comfortable with again, since I wasn't a fan of people/crowds beforehand, but I am still working on it.
I guess BECAUSE I worked at a grocery store during the worst of the pandemic, since it was my job slinging drugs, that I just have no fear of grocery stores or restaurants at all. We are at the point that this thing is like the flu. We have all had it, might get it again, it kills some, we hope we aren't the some.
I keep factoring my age into it. I just turned 65 and while the last two bouts with COVID were easy to get through, I wonder if my luck is going to run out eventually in a few years. All the more reason to "top off the tank" now and moving forward, I suppose.
Post by man1cpixiedreamgirl on Aug 21, 2023 13:38:20 GMT -5
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but long covid scares the shit out of me. Several people close to me have gotten it and still have chronic health issues due to it. I know there are other diseases that do the same thing (my aunt never got her full hearing back in her left ear after a bad bout with H1N1 when that was going around) but I don't want to suddenly have chronic fatigue because of it.
That being said, I've been maskless indoors at work since spring of 2022. When it would spike I'd put it back on, and for a while I dedicatedly did it at the grocery store and subways and planes, but now I've ditched it entirely. It is what it is.
I've been dealing with Covid the past week. Earlier this week was rough, the past couple days have been better.
Did anyone else ever get Covid and have their ear feel like it was blocked? The past couple days there's been extra pressure on my right ear and a little tinnitus thing going on. It's been kinda weird.
I've been dealing with Covid the past week. Earlier this week was rough, the past couple days have been better.
Did anyone else ever get Covid and have their ear feel like it was blocked? The past couple days there's been extra pressure on my right ear and a little tinnitus thing going on. It's been kinda weird.
I was in the hospital the other day, not for covid, but one of the nurses mentioned that they had a bunch of covid cases recently with all kinds of weird symptoms.
I've been dealing with Covid the past week. Earlier this week was rough, the past couple days have been better.
Did anyone else ever get Covid and have their ear feel like it was blocked? The past couple days there's been extra pressure on my right ear and a little tinnitus thing going on. It's been kinda weird.
Yeah, I remember my ears feeling clogged and a bunch of pressure on my head with the weirdest headaches I've had. I have chronic ear infections and ear problems, so I figured it was related.
I've been dealing with Covid the past week. Earlier this week was rough, the past couple days have been better.
Did anyone else ever get Covid and have their ear feel like it was blocked? The past couple days there's been extra pressure on my right ear and a little tinnitus thing going on. It's been kinda weird.
Anything that's causing sinus congestion can lead to similar blockage in the ears. At least, that's been my experience.
The first time I had COVID in early 2020, I also had an accompanying ear infection (Apparently, we're more susceptible to bacterial infections when dealing with a coronavirus.)
Epidemiologists have described the immune response to COVID and the vaccines as one in which vaccination or natural infection create high antibody levels as well as B and T cells which will later generate more antibodies when you're exposed to the virus again, antibodies which are tailored to the variant that you then see (according to Dr. Monica Gandhi).
Studies have shown that antibody levels are highest beginning two weeks after vaccination or infection, stay at high levels for a few months, and then begin to wane with reduced antibody levels for another 3-6 (?) months.
So, it stands to reason that if you encounter the virus again while your antibody levels are high, your immune system will generate even more antibodies, and those peak levels will be sustained for three months from that subsequent exposure. An analogy would be a driver with a fairly full gas tank who puts that extra gallon or two in to top off the tank. It's now going to take even longer for them to run out of gas.
Apparently, if you encounter the virus when your antibodies are high, your immune system can squash the virus before you'd even test positive, or you wind up with an asymptomatic infection.
I wonder if I've been doing myself a disservice by always wearing a well-fitting N95 mask in all indoor public settings, save for a grand total of 15 minutes or so in the last two years. It's possible that the masking has been working so well that I can go many months without exposure; my antibody levels never get a boost from subsequent exposure while they're already at strong levels, so when I finally do get exposed, I'm likely to wind up with a symptomatic case of COVID, as I did at the beginning of August.
I'm not ready to throw away my masks altogether, but I'm wondering whether, over the course of the next few months when I know my antibody levels are going to be high, I should grab a coffee or a quick bite to eat indoors at a restaurant for 20-30 minutes at a time. I'll surely be exposed sooner or later, and can then "top off the tank."
In some ways it feels like a foolish risk to do this, but having masked diligently since my second round with COVID in early June 2022 and then being infected exactly 14 months later, I wonder if I'd be better served by occasionally keeping the mask off in public. Obviously, the vast majority of people now aren't wearing well-fitting masks in indoor public spaces all of the time, yet the vast majority of them aren't getting COVID again and again and again.
I'm reminded of the advice pediatricians give to parents to not be overly concerned with their children's exposure to the usual colds that go around, since that exposure is needed to build their immune response. I wonder if the same thing applies here.
So, I began my grand experiment yesterday afternoon. I went into four businesses for around five minutes each yesterday and kept my mask down. Initially, I said to myself, "Maybe it's not a good time to show the virus to my immune system because I've got so many concerts coming up," but I've got at least one show per week through the end of October, and by the time that run ends, my antibody levels might have dropped, unless I've been exposed to COVID by then.
Masked or unmasked, I've been getting a lot more comfortable in public indoor spaces. When I went to my first post-COVID ticketed indoor show in Feb, I was very conscious of being in a room where COVID might be around. When I went to my second one on Thursday night, it barely crossed my mind.
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