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How am I shooting in all directions? Why are you making me look like I don't know what I'm doing?
Why are you upset about me killing MD.
As town I would not be upset that I have killed another town this early in the game. Someone is gonna be killed and chances are way more high that that person is town anyway.
If I'm doing it to force someone else to switch, there's a goal in mind. So how is it that I don't have a solid grasp and shooting in all directions?
I’m not upset I’m disappointed lol. You’re trying to get more information, which I understand and appreciate. However, your move took away any information you could possible get from me - if I vote Jaz, Jaz votes mad dog and he dies. If I vote mad dog, the result is still the same. If I stay, mad dog still dies. The only information you get is if someone else switches to save mad dog.
You haven’t forced me to switch, you made me switching or staying both have the same end result. So therefore, I’m not moving.
Also saying you don’t have a grasp was too harsh of words from me. We just are not seeing eye to eye right now.
I kinda disagree with you there Kanye. Mafia already has complete information so I would say town being vocal and active is more of a benefit to town as we have no information to start the game with. Now if a theory may have affect on their future strategy, yeah of course keep it to yourself, but I think knowing where everyone’s head is at is extremely beneficial for town.
I kinda disagree with you there Kanye. Mafia already has complete information so I would say town being vocal and active is more of a benefit to town as we have no information to start the game with. Now if a theory may have affect on their future strategy, yeah of course keep it to yourself, but I think knowing where everyone’s head is at is extremely beneficial for town.
This took a reread or two to grasp what Manders is trying to do but I'm pretty sure it can be summed up as: instead of stacking on me and waiting to see what Danbob does in a choice between myself and MD, he's voting for MD to see if anyone's gonna move off of him. If we wait for Dan's choice, we force one player to give us concrete information. By stacking on Maddog, we have the potential of getting information from any of the four other Maddog voters. If that's what he's going for, I'm fine with it.
Manders you may find me fishy but as others have said, we generally encourage people to talk and explain things. That's how we force Mafia to bullshit and it opens up opportunities to spot inconsistencies. Given the amount of chatter we've had this round and knowing my own role, I think both Maddog and Carini deserve hard looks. Obviously people will infer that I'm acting out of self-interest in saying that (regardless of my role), but this...is a lot of talk for Day 1. See how that helps us?
It just seems like you'd want to maybe wait Dan out and see which way he went. Even if he voted for Jaz, you could still kill Maddog. You're moving to give yourself, and the rest of us, less information.
How? Explain?
You would've wanted us to wait on each other? Someone has to take action, and I don't mind.
Ok, so I'll admit I wasn't thinking about that completely comprehensively. Because one of you could have voted to even it up, ie vote for Jaz, either way, and if we believe that logic, that particular move may be low information. It would still be subject to some scrutiny, though, because it could be a Mafia member trying to hide their vote, most likely to avoid having to make a choice that could possibly be revealing to the Inspector.
Essentially, if either of you had voted for Jaz out of the gate, then Jaz votes Maddog, then we would see how the one who waits votes. There is something to be read into as far as: who waits, who is interested in voting Jaz to play "wait and see", and then the choice of the deciding player who waited. There would also be the possibility of switches even after that.
What you did was put Maddog in danger right away, which does provide some information on its own. It tells us you seem willing and eager to lynch Maddog, mainly, and not Jaz. But we don't really know as much as we could about Dan now.
Also, along with your vote for Maddog, you accused Jaz of being sketchy. That's why Dan said you're firing in all directions, I guess.
As far your post, Surfer, my question is: if we know that Mafia will vote for each other, even lynch each other, as you stated, is trying to draw out vote switches by putting pressure on individual players particularly worthwhile? Whether you explicitly reveal your theory, if it's so simple as jumping on a player to see if any switches happen and you picked the right player to stack, Mafia knows that player is Mafia and would probably understand what you're doing whether you state it in the thread or not. On the other hand, if you pick the wrong person, it just confuses things. I'm not saying it couldn't possibly be helpful, but it doesn't seem likely to me that it will be helpful in the way that you are detailing here. Does that make sense?
The amount of talk and switches around the three of us suggests Mafia involvement, and I'm town. Leaving you and Carini.
hey i said i was town first bud. so what that just leaves carini to say he's town and then what?
someone getting moved on and off from a lot usually means theres a lot of bullshit by town. and at this point in the runoff its only so many people to switch on and off to. it would be really amazing if 2/3 of the 3/11 were mafia.
The amount of talk and switches around the three of us suggests Mafia involvement, and I'm town. Leaving you and Carini.
hey i said i was town first bud. so what that just leaves carini to say he's town and then what?
someone getting moved on and off from a lot usually means theres a lot of bullshit by town. and at this point in the runoff its only so many people to switch on and off to. it would be really amazing if 2/3 of the 3/11 were mafia.
Just speaking from my own perspective. Everyone should be giving all three of us hard looks.
this whole game has just been people kind of shooting off randomly, and every couple hours the people voting for me changes dramatically.
there seems to be a lot of baiting by a number of people so im not sure what the best way to look at all the movement is.
This. There have been odd/rash movements from more than 3 people, so clearly some of the folks doing such are town. It is very much muddying the waters. I honestly just want us to get to the whack/D2 so we have some clear info lol.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I understand that keeping my vote on MD currently does help towards the end of him being lynched D1, but shifting over to Jaz effectively makes me the determinant for HIS death (if no one else were to switch further at this point). And then carini is down there with only 2, which I find something worthy taking note of, but I'm not gonna switch over to him now to bump him to 3.
To switch to Jaz right now, I'd need to feel compelled towards the idea that he's more likely mafia than MD. I just don't have that feeling--not atm anyway
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I understand that keeping my vote on MD currently does help towards the end of him being lynched D1, but shifting over to Jaz effectively makes me the determinant for HIS death (if no one else were to switch further at this point). And then carini is down there with only 2, which I find something worthy taking note of, but I'm not gonna switch over to him now to bump him to 3.
To switch to Jaz right now, I'd need to feel compelled towards the idea that he's more likely mafia than MD. I just don't have that feeling--not atm anyway
I understand that keeping my vote on MD currently does help towards the end of him being lynched D1, but shifting over to Jaz effectively makes me the determinant for HIS death (if no one else were to switch further at this point). And then carini is down there with only 2, which I find something worthy taking note of, but I'm not gonna switch over to him now to bump him to 3.
To switch to Jaz right now, I'd need to feel compelled towards the idea that he's more likely mafia than MD. I just don't have that feeling--not atm anyway
No it wouldn't.
Dan would be the deciding vote.
Can't Dan just stay on carini? Nothing in the rules to say he can't, right?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Can't Dan just stay on carini? Nothing in the rules to say he can't, right?
He could stay on Carini until the end of the round, but in the next round he would have to vote for either Jaz or Maddog. If he didn't, he would get a strike for not voting. If he didn't another time, he would be auto-lynched. The premise of having multiple rounds a day is based on this. People have to vote.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
A lot of posts were about Kanye's "theory" idk, counts can be empty. it's not like everything I've said has been substantial but I've been mafia and led post count. That doesn't mean a lot. Carinis always pretty quiet as well.
But as far as suspicious things, Landers move was weird, Kanye's acting weird, Pablo's going back and forth here and there. I haven't played with manders so idk if that's par for the course, but the others make sense town or mafia.
There's also nothing to really be done about that because the three quietest people with not a ton of switches ended up in the run off.
~2 per game over the last 7 games I've played. maybe mafia would anticipate that (but I and others have expressed it before as mafia) but if you're trying to shape runoffs so that you can not get voted out it makes sense you'd be in the last handful of people to vote.
I understand that keeping my vote on MD currently does help towards the end of him being lynched D1, but shifting over to Jaz effectively makes me the determinant for HIS death (if no one else were to switch further at this point). And then carini is down there with only 2, which I find something worthy taking note of, but I'm not gonna switch over to him now to bump him to 3.
To switch to Jaz right now, I'd need to feel compelled towards the idea that he's more likely mafia than MD. I just don't have that feeling--not atm anyway
