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The vote switching is odd considering that we're still staying at the same 4 people. Kinda makes no difference in some regards, other than now Jortles has a revote. Not sure what to make of it, but honestly I'm ignoring this Potent/Kanye tiff because it seems pretty inconsequential.
Yeah agreed the potent/kanye stuff seems rather inconsequential, but the above-bolded seems less [inconsequential].
It's def consequential in that Kanye won't be lynched in 2 hours.
Haven't heard from carini in solid 24 hours. Anyone else lurking in the shadows?
Yeah sorry we're not getting anywhere, I'll stop
It is sort of reading as two townspeople getting tunnel vision re: arguing with a fellow townsperson about silly shit when they're ultimately on the same team...
But also certainly possible one of you is Mafia and doing that on purpose, to give off appearance of such.
I could see Potent pulling something like that as Mafia. Haven't played with Kanye before so can't speak to whether that tactic seems befitting of him or not
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Yeah agreed the potent/kanye stuff seems rather inconsequential, but the above-bolded seems less [inconsequential].
It's def consequential in that Kanye won't be lynched in 2 hours.
Also me having the ability to place a single vote in round 2 is not a power move. Sorry it just isn't. We are on Day 2. Everyone should be voting for who they are suspicious of. I've told everyone that I'm suspicious of all three of you.
We will need two switches after I vote to narrow the field to 3. Please don't act like I'm about to decide the lynch on my own here, or like I've been secretive about my intentions. My intention is to have one of you 3 lynched at the end of this day because I'm suspicious of all of you more than anyone else in the game.
Of course, there is literally no way that we have 3 mafia in this runoff, so I'll continue to evaluate as we get more info. For instance, Kanye and Potent... they appear to not be on the same team. But they are also buddies that love to cause mischief together. I'm still leaning for now that one of them is mafia and one isn't. Not sure who at this point.
It's def consequential in that Kanye won't be lynched in 2 hours.
Also me having the ability to place a single vote in round 2 is not a power move. Sorry it just isn't. We are on Day 2. Everyone should be voting for who they are suspicious of. I've told everyone that I'm suspicious of all three of you.
We will need two switches after I vote to narrow the field to 3. Please don't act like I'm about to decide the lynch on my own here, or like I've been secretive about my intentions. My intention is to have one of you 3 lynched at the end of this day because I'm suspicious of all of you more than anyone else in the game.
Of course, there is literally no way that we have 3 mafia in this runoff, so I'll continue to evaluate as we get more info. For instance, Kanye and Potent... they appear to not be on the same team. But they are also buddies that love to cause mischief together. I'm still leaning for now that one of them is mafia and one isn't. Not sure who at this point.
I don't think Jaz OR I indicated that you suddenly had the power to decide the lynch on your own...only that this vote switch seemed of more consequence/relevance than the Potent&Kanye squabble. Not that that is a very high bar lol
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Also me having the ability to place a single vote in round 2 is not a power move. Sorry it just isn't. We are on Day 2. Everyone should be voting for who they are suspicious of. I've told everyone that I'm suspicious of all three of you.
We will need two switches after I vote to narrow the field to 3. Please don't act like I'm about to decide the lynch on my own here, or like I've been secretive about my intentions. My intention is to have one of you 3 lynched at the end of this day because I'm suspicious of all of you more than anyone else in the game.
Of course, there is literally no way that we have 3 mafia in this runoff, so I'll continue to evaluate as we get more info. For instance, Kanye and Potent... they appear to not be on the same team. But they are also buddies that love to cause mischief together. I'm still leaning for now that one of them is mafia and one isn't. Not sure who at this point.
I don't think Jaz OR I indicated that you suddenly had the power to decide the lynch on your own...only that this vote switch seemed of more consequence/relevance than the Potent&Kanye squabble. Not that that is a very high bar lol
You've been all over me for unclear reasons, and you bolded Jaz's line about me getting a revote being consequential. At some point I have to draw the line where the suspicion is just outright malarkey. Want to be suspicious of me because I'm quiet (even though you've never played with me)? Fine. I do have reasons outside of this particular game for being quieter than usual, but I'm restraining from making excuses because I've always hated when others do that. Even though I kinda just broke my restraint by even saying that.
But yeah... me switching off Kanye and giving myself the opportunity to (quite possibly) just move back to Kanye in two hours from now is just not really interesting or consequential at all. When I vote for or switch to someone other than Kanye who is in the runoff, it will be consequential.
Post by Jake Jortles on Apr 7, 2020 13:16:21 GMT -5
To clarify - I have been suspicious of you for unclear reasons as well. There is no issue with that. It just seems like you are trying to justify your instinctual suspicion with some "logical" suspicion here, so I feel the need to get defensive on this one point.
I don't think Jaz OR I indicated that you suddenly had the power to decide the lynch on your own...only that this vote switch seemed of more consequence/relevance than the Potent&Kanye squabble. Not that that is a very high bar lol
You've been all over me for unclear reasons, and you bolded Jaz's line about me getting a revote being consequential. At some point I have to draw the line where the suspicion is just outright malarkey. Want to be suspicious of me because I'm quiet (even though you've never played with me)? Fine. I do have reasons outside of this particular game for being quieter than usual, but I'm restraining from making excuses because I've always hated when others do that. Even though I kinda just broke my restraint by even saying that.
But yeah... me switching off Kanye and giving myself the opportunity to (quite possibly) just move back to Kanye in two hours from now is just not really interesting or consequential at all. When I vote for or switch to someone other than Kanye who is in the runoff, it will be consequential.
For unclear reasons? It was soon after start of D2 that I started feeling suspicious of you (and Potent, for what it is worth) by the way that your framed your narrative so neat & tidy from the get-go, just felt sort of contrived. And Potent is just acting pretty different from my general town-read of him. I feel like I actually have less specifics to point to re: my suspicions of him, more just a gut feeling.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
You've been all over me for unclear reasons, and you bolded Jaz's line about me getting a revote being consequential. At some point I have to draw the line where the suspicion is just outright malarkey. Want to be suspicious of me because I'm quiet (even though you've never played with me)? Fine. I do have reasons outside of this particular game for being quieter than usual, but I'm restraining from making excuses because I've always hated when others do that. Even though I kinda just broke my restraint by even saying that.
But yeah... me switching off Kanye and giving myself the opportunity to (quite possibly) just move back to Kanye in two hours from now is just not really interesting or consequential at all. When I vote for or switch to someone other than Kanye who is in the runoff, it will be consequential.
For unclear reasons? It was soon after start of D2 that I started feeling suspicious of you (and Potent, for what it is worth) by the way that your framed your narrative so neat & tidy from the get-go, just felt sort of contrived. And Potent is just acting pretty different from my general town-read of him. I feel like I actually have less specifics to point to re: my suspicions of him, more just a gut feeling.
What narrative did I frame? I explained the way I felt about everyone in the game. If people did this more often, Town would be better for it.
For unclear reasons? It was soon after start of D2 that I started feeling suspicious of you (and Potent, for what it is worth) by the way that your framed your narrative so neat & tidy from the get-go, just felt sort of contrived. And Potent is just acting pretty different from my general town-read of him. I feel like I actually have less specifics to point to re: my suspicions of him, more just a gut feeling.
What narrative did I frame? I explained the way I felt about everyone in the game. If people did this more often, Town would be better for it.
Maybe this isn't fair to compare, but it was helpful when Kanye pulled direct quotes from D1 when giving some analysis for his thoughts moving forward, whereas your analysis was more so just listing out names and providing your feelings and inklings.
I won't lie--of course your statement out the gate D2 of how you find me so suspicious, only posting fluff, trying to blend in, etc. has some degree of impact on my subsequent suspicion of you. I know I'm innocent. So could that mean that maybe you aren't, and thus trying to throw me under the bus?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
What narrative did I frame? I explained the way I felt about everyone in the game. If people did this more often, Town would be better for it.
Maybe this isn't fair to compare, but it was helpful when Kanye pulled direct quotes from D1 when giving some analysis for his thoughts moving forward, whereas your analysis was more so just listing out names and providing your feelings and inklings.
I won't lie--of course your statement out the gate D2 of how you find me so suspicious, only posting fluff, trying to blend in, etc. has some degree of impact on my subsequent suspicion of you. I know I'm innocent. So could that mean that maybe you aren't, and thus trying to throw me under the bus?
You used this qualifier for a reason so I'll avoid piling on with the obvious (regarding the second paragraph).
As for your problem with me going off inklings / gut... I'm really just not a player that uses vote history much. I try to interpret personalities and then go off of any whack until we get a reveal. "Mafia would do anything" defeats voting analysis when I'm having conversations with myself. Personality reads can be manipulated, but its not as simple for someone to pull off.
More often than studying vote splits, I'll do read-throughs and try to find an interaction between two people that looks unlikely to be between two Mafia members. For instance, on page 2, the interaction between Teddy and Manders for whatever reason makes me believe that they are not Mafia together. They could be Mafia individually, but my read is that they are not Mafia together. If I were to reflect on exactly why I come to that conclusion, it will appear to be a bunch of nonsense to everyone else.
Maybe this isn't fair to compare, but it was helpful when Kanye pulled direct quotes from D1 when giving some analysis for his thoughts moving forward, whereas your analysis was more so just listing out names and providing your feelings and inklings.
I won't lie--of course your statement out the gate D2 of how you find me so suspicious, only posting fluff, trying to blend in, etc. has some degree of impact on my subsequent suspicion of you. I know I'm innocent. So could that mean that maybe you aren't, and thus trying to throw me under the bus?
You used this qualifier for a reason so I'll avoid piling on with the obvious (regarding the second paragraph).
As for your problem with me going off inklings / gut... I'm really just not a player that uses vote history much. I try to interpret personalities and then go off of any whack until we get a reveal. "Mafia would do anything" defeats voting analysis when I'm having conversations with myself. Personality reads can be manipulated, but its not as simple for someone to pull off.
More often than studying vote splits, I'll do read-throughs and try to find an interaction between two people that looks unlikely to be between two Mafia members. For instance, on page 2, the interaction between Teddy and Manders for whatever reason makes me believe that they are not Mafia together. They could be Mafia individually, but my read is that they are not Mafia together. If I were to reflect on exactly why I come to that conclusion, it will appear to be a bunch of nonsense to everyone else.
Heh, and this can absolutely an issue I have in this game--how my tone can be quite conversational, writing things as I'd say them aloud in conversation, e.g. "I won't lie..."
I didn't mean anything by it, beyond just like "of course it is true that..." But I can see why you'd bring attention to the phrasing choice.
As for your comment (bolded above) about how personality reads aren't as simple for someone to pull off, I absolutely agree with you there. Is a bolder/harder-to-pull-off move as Mafia than mere vote switching/numerical tactics
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
You used this qualifier for a reason so I'll avoid piling on with the obvious (regarding the second paragraph).
As for your problem with me going off inklings / gut... I'm really just not a player that uses vote history much. I try to interpret personalities and then go off of any whack until we get a reveal. "Mafia would do anything" defeats voting analysis when I'm having conversations with myself. Personality reads can be manipulated, but its not as simple for someone to pull off.
More often than studying vote splits, I'll do read-throughs and try to find an interaction between two people that looks unlikely to be between two Mafia members. For instance, on page 2, the interaction between Teddy and Manders for whatever reason makes me believe that they are not Mafia together. They could be Mafia individually, but my read is that they are not Mafia together. If I were to reflect on exactly why I come to that conclusion, it will appear to be a bunch of nonsense to everyone else.
Heh, and this can absolutely an issue I have in this game--how my tone can be quite conversational, writing things as I'd say them aloud in conversation, e.g. "I won't lie..."
I didn't mean anything by it, beyond just like "of course it is true that..." But I can see why you'd bring attention to the phrasing choice.
As for your comment (bolded above) about how personality reads aren't as simple for someone to pull off, I absolutely agree with you there. Is a bolder/harder-to-pull-off move as Mafia than mere vote switching/numerical tactics
I just meant that with your use of "I won't lie" it looked like you were aware that being suspicious of someone because they are suspicious of you isn't a great reason.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Feels like Pablo was very much in the discussion, one of the highest post counts D1 in fact, and now...quite absent.
Yeah. Because people are actually talking now, I don't have to desperately try to gin up a discussion. I've given my thoughts on Day 2, and you know what they are. They involve you being a likely candidate as Mafia.
Post by piggy pablo on Apr 7, 2020 21:19:55 GMT -5
Do you have anything other than this vague insinuation, Rummy 500? What's your point exactly? I was active on Day 1 and I'm less active today, so I'm Mafia? What changed? Was I not Mafia yesterday but today I am? I'm not even in the runoff lol. Why don't you worry about the people who are.
Do you have anything other than this vague insinuation, Rummy 500? What's your point exactly? I was active on Day 1 and I'm less active today, so I'm Mafia? What changed? Was I not Mafia yesterday but today I am? I'm not even in the runoff lol. Why don't you worry about the people who are.
Did not say “Pablo is less talkative in D2...thus he’s mafia.”
Just was interested in you coming back in to share thoughts. Which you now have.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Do you have anything other than this vague insinuation, Rummy 500? What's your point exactly? I was active on Day 1 and I'm less active today, so I'm Mafia? What changed? Was I not Mafia yesterday but today I am? I'm not even in the runoff lol. Why don't you worry about the people who are.
Did not say “Pablo is less talkative in D2...thus he’s mafia.”
Just was interested in you coming back in to share thoughts. Which you now have.
Post by piggy pablo on Apr 7, 2020 22:11:28 GMT -5
Did a re-read of D2. Idk how to interpret the Potent-Kanye thing really at all, so I'm at a loss there. I'd say I'm basically where I've been at, that I find Jaz, Kanye, and Rummy most suspicious so far. I'm also worried about just how quiet Carini and, to a lesser extent because he actually has given some thoughts, Teddy have been. I guess I've softened on Manders somewhat, but it's a little sketchy when I see people saying "Mafia would never do this" when we always say Mafia will do anything.
I'm a bit like Jortles in that I'm more prone to using my intuition these days, rather than try to parse voting. When I started, I treated it like some code I was going to crack, and I went pretty hard with the quotes and trying to construct a case against someone. There was one game where I put together this laundry list of reasons why I thought Dan was Mafia on D2. I had a stronger read on Dan after D1 in that game than any other I had before or since. No one bought it and we lost because Dan survived til the end. Nowadays, I'm mostly on mobile because my laptop has a broken hinge and I have to prop it up against a wall, or right now a Gamecube that's sitting on a dresser positioned in front of my couch. It's sort of uncomfortable and I only really use it when I have to for like video chat and podcast editing, so 90% of my Mafia posts are on mobile.
Oh, speaking of which, everyone listen to my new podcast with Jortles that I put out today. Maybe there will be some Mafia clues in there! (There won't. It was recorded before the game started):
Anyway, my read on Jaz in D1 sorta reminded me of that Dan game, but I've made my thoughts known enough that I don't need to belabor the point. I'll be staying on Rummy, if anyone wants to join me. Again, yall know why. If it doesn't ring true to you, then that's fine. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm a bit tequila drunk and did a d2 reread. Starting to think potent and Kanye might be Mafia Bros trying to dilute the rest of the conversation. I'm about a thousand percent convinced Pablo is town, fwiw. Jortles and rummy could go either way but I'm suspicious. Carini is too quiet to get a good read on but is probably ok, and Manders is a crazy person but might just be bad at this game?
