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I would be interested in hearing what acts on Bing’s lineup are really doing it for people. Seems kinda basic.
You two are pretty even in general, but I think Bing did a better job in some of the other aspects such as billing. As much as I like Charli a lot, she’s not a sub at Coachella IMO, for example. And I like his headliners much better than yours.
I would be interested in hearing what acts on Bing’s lineup are really doing it for people. Seems kinda basic.
You two are pretty even in general, but I think Bing did a better job in some of the other aspects such as billing. As much as I like Charli a lot, she’s not a sub at Coachella IMO, for example. And I like his headliners much better than yours.
this makes no sense to me because he has two headliners that are way over billed. So you say you voted because I overbilled Charli and you like his headliners more but that’s just because his fucked up billing to make better acts headliners even though they’re too small
Post by trantsgiving on May 14, 2020 11:37:46 GMT -5
In response to Jortles,
I think he's giving himself too much credit with how well he hangs with my headliners and subs. I have a better headliner than him on every day imo (Kast > BB, Billie > Lizzo, Waters > Gorillaz). Even if you say our Fridays and Saturdays are equal, Waters is still at least a tier above Gorillaz. I'd also give myself a large edge with subs.
Thom Yorke >> Phoenix David Byrne >> St. V James Blake > Jamie xx (I could see the other argument but Jamie has one album versus Blake's 4 and all of his are *chefs kiss*) Grimes >> Yaeji Death Grips >> Danny Brown (Danny is great but DG is such a rare show and I think they're better live) Vince < The Roots (I'll give him that one)
This is still ignoring my other solid subs in Steely Dan, Kali Uchis, Panda Bear, Jeff Mangum, Stormzy, Future Islands and Mistki. All of those steamroll Ellie, Migos, OMAM, Rufus, Passion Pit, Hives, Damian Marley.
He has good undercards but black midi and Gibbs+Madlib both made some fire albums last year. A Sunny Day Real Estate reunion, Chicano Batman, The Libertines, Descendents, !!!, Temples, Tank and the Bangas all fill out my lineup nicely. I think my HLs are undoubtedly better and my subs too, but if he wants to take the smaller names, I'll give it to him.
Also I am clearly in contention for best rap / hip-hop too. OutKast, Vince Staples, Death Grips, Stormzy, Lil Nas X, Amine, 6LACK, Bone Thugs.
I also said this last round but in terms of realism, Jortles has a LOT of dated stuff. Passion Pit, The Hives, Gnarls Barkley, Ellie Goulding, Pretty Lights, OMAM, and those are just his subs.
Florence is a headliner, what are you talking about. She's dope as hell live and with Twigs as a sub, that makes a pretty killer combo. Even though their music is pretty different, I feel like their energy and performance is in some wat pretty similar.
Edit: and neither do I get the sentiment that Kacey and Sufjan headlining is even a reach.
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Florence is a headliner, what are you talking about. She's dope as hell live and with Twigs as a sub, that makes a pretty killer combo. Even though their music is pretty different, I feel like their energy and performance is in some wat pretty similar.
I honestly think she’s Lana level or so but I said she’s a weak headliner. Twigs isn’t sub level either, this year she’s 5th on her day behind Lil Uzi Vert and Daniel Caesar lol
How is Bleachers, Pucifer or Public Enemy an Outdoor closing act or Nicolas Jaar and Bicep a Sahara closing act?
I don’t think any of those acts are out of place closing the outdoor when stuff like A Perfect Circle, HER and Jean Michel Jarre have closed it recently. I didn’t want trashy EDM closing Sahara to be realistic but Nicolas Jarr has already closed Mojave so he’s big enough for the spot. Bicep is overbilled but they’re also massively on the rise and a personal fave that I wanted to highlight.
You two are pretty even in general, but I think Bing did a better job in some of the other aspects such as billing. As much as I like Charli a lot, she’s not a sub at Coachella IMO, for example. And I like his headliners much better than yours.
this makes no sense to me because he has two headliners that are way over billed. So you say you voted because I overbilled Charli and you like his headliners more but that’s just because his fucked up billing to make better acts headliners even though they’re too small
Charli was just an example. I explained in another thread, so not gonna repeat myself, but number of acts I like is not the only criteria for me. If both of you have similar amount of acts I like (which you do), other things are the determining factor.
I don't get how you think it's completely fine to give yourself a pass when overbilling shit and "highlighting acts" (and there's a lot of shit you overbilled) and I'm not, tЯist♡n .
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I don't get how you think it's completely fine to give yourself a pass when overbilling shit and "highlighting acts" (and there's a lot of shit you overbilled) and I'm not, tЯist♡n .
I pointed out us both over billing things, you just don’t have any headliners in two days
I don't get how you think it's completely fine to give yourself a pass when overbilling shit and "highlighting acts" (and there's a lot of shit you overbilled) and I'm not, tЯist♡n .
I pointed out us both over billing things, you just don’t have any headliners in two days
I think he's giving himself too much credit with how well he hangs with my headliners and subs. I have a better headliner than him on every day imo (Kast > BB, Billie > Lizzo, Waters > Gorillaz). Even if you say our Fridays and Saturdays are equal, Waters is still at least a tier above Gorillaz. I'd also give myself a large edge with subs. Waters is better than Gorillaz. Yes.
Thom Yorke >> Phoenix David Byrne >> St. V James Blake > Jamie xx (I could see the other argument but Jamie has one album versus Blake's 4 and all of his are *chefs kiss*) James Blakes four albums have most certainly not all been chefs kiss. In Colour is better than anything he's ever done. And I think Jamie is a much more difficult show to catch. Grimes >> Yaeji Death Grips >> Danny Brown (Danny is great but DG is such a rare show and I think they're better live) This is a wash imo. DG is a more rare act, but Danny Brown is a better artist who puts on a wild show as well. Vince < The Roots (I'll give him that one) Throw a couple more < signs in there for a top 5 hiphop live act of all time.
This is still ignoring my other solid subs in Steely Dan, Kali Uchis, Panda Bear, Jeff Mangum, Stormzy, Future Islands and Mistki. All of those steamroll Ellie, Migos, OMAM, Rufus, Passion Pit, Hives, Damian Marley. Disagree that these are good subs from you overall. Between Thom, Panda, Mangum... there are a bunch of knock off acts that bite other peoples lineups. Kali Uchis is blah.
He has good undercards but black midi and Gibbs+Madlib both made some fire albums last year. A Sunny Day Real Estate reunion, Chicano Batman, The Libertines, Descendents, !!!, Temples, Tank and the Bangas all fill out my lineup nicely. I think my HLs are undoubtedly better and my subs too, but if he wants to take the smaller names, I'll give it to him. The fact that you are highlighting Temples and Tank and tha Bangas is the issue with your lineup.
Also I am clearly in contention for best rap / hip-hop too. OutKast, Vince Staples, Death Grips, Stormzy, Lil Nas X, Amine, 6LACK, Bone Thugs. Most of these just aren't even good.
I also said this last round but in terms of realism, Jortles has a LOT of dated stuff. Passion Pit, The Hives, Gnarls Barkley, Ellie Goulding, Pretty Lights, OMAM, and those are just his subs. Given the structure of the draft, it's necessary for acts to be dated. This doesn't really make sense.
Post by Pepe Silvia on May 14, 2020 12:13:28 GMT -5
Me vs Kim
HLers
I think I have the outright best HLer out of the 7 w DP, Amy is great but I'm not sure that's the type of set I want from my #1 coachella HLer. I love The Weeknd, I think he has a fantastic show perfect for Coach, but I won't sit here and try and compare him to NiN since it's just so different. As for the sunday HLers, we both have some stretches, with Solange vs Lana. It's really up to personal taste here, but I obviously think Solange is the much more interesting artist, capable of putting on a MUCH better show. As for Bon Iver, I know you bumped him into that Co-HL spot on your poster, but on your schedule, he's really no different than a Sub. He has the same exact set length AND set time as Janes Addiction and Arctic Monkeys. And he's against half of Wilco, half of Noel & HFB, and all of Shpongle, the 3 other acts I would be most interested in on Sunday :/
To dive a little deeper into the schedules, Kim has every night ending at 12? and no late night options? im not sure whats up w that. coachella late nights may not go as deep as classic Roo late nights, but there's almost always some awesome post-HLer options, and I think I provided that.
Subs
I think I really have the edge here. I generally like most of the acts Kim has here, it's just a little too much white guys with guitars at the top for my taste. Arctic Monkeys, Janes Addiction, Faith No More, Wilco, SHM, RTJ, Noel & HFB, Rilo Kiley, Bright Eyes, Daniel Caesar, Khalid, GriZ VS Jamiroquai, PJ Harvey, Gesaffelstein, Morrissey, HAIM, Empire of The Sun, Beirut, Pet Shop Boys, Porter Robinson, Mercury Rev, Kehlani, Amon Tobin, A$AP Ferg
We both have a few stretches, w your biggest offenders being Khruangbin and CDW, and mine likely being Tycho, SBTRKT and MØ.
Undercard
i'll admit there's a lot of stuff in Kim's undercard that i just don't know. i'm sure there's some gems in there im unaware of but i'm just gonna address what i do know. Parquet Courts, Black Coffee, Tom Misch, Koffee, Explosions in The Sky, Jose Gonzalez, Steve Lacey, Shpongle, all right up my alley. But I think I top that with Sleigh Bells, Floating Points, Raekwon & Ghostface, Maceo Plex, Toro y Moi, Joey Bada$$, Carl Cox, Dungen, and SebastiAn. And that's only acts from my second lines.
SCHEDULE
But then we get here and a lot of those great undercards get lost :/ Parquet Courts isn't on there (mine isn't entirely complete so I don't blame ya), and every night arguably my most anticipated act is against a HLer. CDW (who is a sub but should be undercard) against Amy hurts, Explosions in the Sky against NiN REALLY hurts, and Shpongle against Bon Iver hurts. I think having an actual LN on Friday + Saturday could have helped this a lot, but alas, if I were to attend Kimchella, the end of each day for me would likely look like-
Khruangbin->Arctic Monkeys->RTJ->Amy Winehouse
Klangstof->Tom Misch->Janes Addicion?->Little bit of EITS-> NiN
Theophilus London->Sharon Jones->Bon Iver->Half of Wilco->Lana Del Rey
vs my ideal back half of each day @ Pepechella
Empire of the Sun->SBTRKT->Jamiroquai->Eprom->Daft Punk->Floating Points
I think he's giving himself too much credit with how well he hangs with my headliners and subs. I have a better headliner than him on every day imo (Kast > BB, Billie > Lizzo, Waters > Gorillaz). Even if you say our Fridays and Saturdays are equal, Waters is still at least a tier above Gorillaz. I'd also give myself a large edge with subs. Waters is better than Gorillaz. Yes.
Thom Yorke >> Phoenix David Byrne >> St. V James Blake > Jamie xx (I could see the other argument but Jamie has one album versus Blake's 4 and all of his are *chefs kiss*) James Blakes four albums have most certainly not all been chefs kiss. In Colour is better than anything he's ever done. And I think Jamie is a much more difficult show to catch. Grimes >> Yaeji Death Grips >> Danny Brown (Danny is great but DG is such a rare show and I think they're better live) This is a wash imo. DG is a more rare act, but Danny Brown is a better artist who puts on a wild show as well. Vince < The Roots (I'll give him that one) Throw a couple more < signs in there for a top 5 hiphop live act of all time.
This is still ignoring my other solid subs in Steely Dan, Kali Uchis, Panda Bear, Jeff Mangum, Stormzy, Future Islands and Mistki. All of those steamroll Ellie, Migos, OMAM, Rufus, Passion Pit, Hives, Damian Marley. Disagree that these are good subs from you overall. Between Thom, Panda, Mangum... there are a bunch of knock off acts that bite other peoples lineups. Kali Uchis is blah.
He has good undercards but black midi and Gibbs+Madlib both made some fire albums last year. A Sunny Day Real Estate reunion, Chicano Batman, The Libertines, Descendents, !!!, Temples, Tank and the Bangas all fill out my lineup nicely. I think my HLs are undoubtedly better and my subs too, but if he wants to take the smaller names, I'll give it to him. The fact that you are highlighting Temples and Tank and tha Bangas is the issue with your lineup.
Also I am clearly in contention for best rap / hip-hop too. OutKast, Vince Staples, Death Grips, Stormzy, Lil Nas X, Amine, 6LACK, Bone Thugs. Most of these just aren't even good.
I also said this last round but in terms of realism, Jortles has a LOT of dated stuff. Passion Pit, The Hives, Gnarls Barkley, Ellie Goulding, Pretty Lights, OMAM, and those are just his subs. Given the structure of the draft, it's necessary for acts to be dated. This doesn't really make sense.
I think Death Grips are a more interesting and compelling artist than Danny. Also the only "bite" I guess would be Jeff. Panda Bear has two really great albums outside of AnCo. Thats like me saying Jamie is a bite. Thom also performs his own music and I thoroughly enjoy his discog.
Also, it isn't necessary for your subs to be as dated as they are. It reads like a 2011 pop station.
Fred could you add to the OP when you have a moment?
Preferred Paths
Friday: A Place to Bury Strangers > Darren Price > Moscoman > Little Brother > Cloud Nothings > Four Tet / Daphni / Floating Points > The Roots > Charlotte Gainsbourg > Rufus Du Sol / Ben UFO > Yaeji > Beastie Boys
Saturday: PUP > GoGo Penguin > The Pharcyde > Dialated Peoples > Channel Tres > El P / Fidlar > St Vincent > Jon Hopkins > Phoenix > Jamie xx
Note: Legendary hiphop invasion of the Yuma with Bomb Squad (Public Enemy / Ice Cube) > Just Blaze (Jay Z / Dipset / Etc) > Questlove (Roots) > DJ Premier (Gangstarr / Nas / Biggie / Jay) > the thing with Madlib in the middle. Thought that was creative.
Sunday: GOAT > Ross From Friends > Laura Marling > Little Dragon > Kim Petras > DJ Shadow > Danny Brown > Godspeed You! Black Emperor > Gorillaz (Ar eyou fucking kidding me with that run my lord who designed this?!)
Fred could you add to the OP when you have a moment?
Preferred Paths
Friday: A Place to Bury Strangers > Darren Price > Moscoman > Little Brother > Cloud Nothings > Four Tet / Daphni / Floating Points > The Roots > Charlotte Gainsbourg > Rufus Du Sol / Ben UFO > Yaeji > Beastie Boys
Saturday: PUP > GoGo Penguin > The Pharcyde > Dialated Peoples > Channel Tres > El P / Fidlar > St Vincent > Jon Hopkins > Phoenix > Jamie xx
Note: Legendary hiphop invasion of the Yuma with Bomb Squad (Public Enemy / Ice Cube) > Just Blaze (Jay Z / Dipset / Etc) > Questlove (Roots) > DJ Premier (Gangstarr / Nas / Biggie / Jay) > the thing with Madlib in the middle. Thought that was creative.
Sunday: GOAT > Ross From Friends > Laura Marling > Little Dragon > Kim Petras > DJ Shadow > Danny Brown > Godspeed You! Black Emperor > Gorillaz (Ar eyou fucking kidding me with that run my lord who designed this?!)
Fred could you add to the OP when you have a moment?
Preferred Paths
Friday: A Place to Bury Strangers > Darren Price > Moscoman > Little Brother > Cloud Nothings > Four Tet / Daphni / Floating Points > The Roots > Charlotte Gainsbourg > Rufus Du Sol / Ben UFO > Yaeji > Beastie Boys
Saturday: PUP > GoGo Penguin > The Pharcyde > Dialated Peoples > Channel Tres > El P / Fidlar > St Vincent > Jon Hopkins > Phoenix > Jamie xx
Note: Legendary hiphop invasion of the Yuma with Bomb Squad (Public Enemy / Ice Cube) > Just Blaze (Jay Z / Dipset / Etc) > Questlove (Roots) > DJ Premier (Gangstarr / Nas / Biggie / Jay) > the thing with Madlib in the middle. Thought that was creative.
Sunday: GOAT > Ross From Friends > Laura Marling > Little Dragon > Kim Petras > DJ Shadow > Danny Brown > Godspeed You! Black Emperor > Gorillaz (Ar eyou fucking kidding me with that run my lord who designed this?!)
Post by trantsgiving on May 14, 2020 12:51:43 GMT -5
Jortlechella:
Preoccupations > Cloud Nothings > ? > The Roots > Charlotte Gainsbourg > RUFUS > Yaeji > Beasties
PUP > GoGo Penguin > Dandy Worhols > Channel Tres > FIDLAR > St. V > John Hopkins > Phoenix > Jamie xx
RBCF > ? > Little Dragon > Kim Petras > DJ Shadow > Danny Brown > GYBE > Gorillaz
solid runs at the end of Sat and Sun but some big gaps and disappointing main stage.
Kingchella:
Joyce Manor > Inner WAVE > John Talabot > Still Woozy > Mitski > Gibbs + Madlib > Lil Nas > David Byrne > Death Grips > Outkast (Lil Nas is more dumb fun than anything even tho I liked 7 but this is an unmatched run)
Neko Case > DJ Tennis > black midi > Grimes > Stormzy > James Blake > Thom Yorke > end of Billie Eilish
Black Pumas > Drive By Truckers (Athens GA rise up) > Tank and the Bangas > The Kooks > !!! / Vince > Jeff Mangum / Panda Bear > Steely Dan > Kali Uchis > Roger Waters
both good ofc and it's hard to vote against Beasties but I know it's even harder for Jortles to vote against OutKast and James Blake
Preoccupations > Cloud Nothings > ? > The Roots > Charlotte Gainsbourg > RUFUS > Yaeji > Beasties
PUP > GoGo Penguin > Dandy Worhols > Channel Tres > FIDLAR > St. V > John Hopkins > Phoenix > Jamie xx
RBCF > ? > Little Dragon > Kim Petras > DJ Shadow > Danny Brown > GYBE > Gorillaz
solid runs at the end of Sat and Sun but some big gaps and disappointing main stage.
Kingchella:
Joyce Manor > Inner WAVE > John Talabot > Still Woozy > Mitski > Gibbs + Madlib > Lil Nas > David Byrne > Death Grips > Outkast (Lil Nas is more dumb fun than anything even tho I liked 7 but this is an unmatched run)
Neko Case > DJ Tennis > black midi > Grimes > Stormzy > James Blake > Thom Yorke > end of Billie Eilish
Black Pumas > Drive By Truckers (Athens GA rise up) > Tank and the Bangas > The Kooks > !!! / Vince > Jeff Mangum / Panda Bear > Steely Dan > Kali Uchis > Roger Waters
both good ofc and it's hard to vote against Beasties but I know it's even harder for Jortles to vote against OutKast and James Blake
You can put Four Tet / Daphni / Floating Points in the first ?.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on May 14, 2020 13:24:19 GMT -5
DRAGON ENERGY- I thought Bing’s Sunday was better, but DE’s Friday and Saturday we’re significantly better.
cdevaney
Pepe Silvia - would gladly pay top dollar to see either of these lineups, but Pepe’s electronic picks had some of my favorites and made his lineup more “Coachella” than Kim’s.
Jake Jortles - these were also fairly even, I just liked Jake’s bands more
