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Whether it's The Strokes or not, I'm now thinking that they won't announce the third headliner until the full lineup drop, so that the announcement feels bigger that it would without a top line act announced.
It's almost certainly going to be The Strokes. If it isn't, that just about confirms my left field theory that one member of The Strokes refuses to set foot in Massachusetts, probably for legal reasons, and that's why they haven't played here since 2006. Sure, Boston Calling could decide to go in any number of other directions, but if they haven't already been signed as the third headliner, that makes their absence from the Fenway RHCP show very strange.
Other than outstanding warrants for sex with minors (of which there is no substantive basis), I can't think of any legal reason why The Strokes would avoid Massachusetts.
Eh, unpaid child support, someone waiting to serve papers on a civil suit, a hundred unpaid parking tickets, who knows? It's not just that the band hasn't played in the immediate Boston area -- I'm sure that a lot of acts have a city or two they never play because the artist just doesn't like the town, for one reason or another -- but they haven't played in Mansfield, Worcester, or Lowell, either. They haven't played anywhere in Massachusetts in 15 years.
It's not like we're talking about Omaha or Des Moines here. The Boston metropolitan area is the 10th largest in the U.S., according to Wikipedia. While the City of Boston proper ranks 24th, concert markets aren't determined by city limits, but by population within a one or two hour drive (i.e., how far will people drive round trip for a show without having to stay overnight).
The Boston concert market is too big for any band of that stature to skip for 15 years.
If they're not the third headliner, the fact that they're not playing the Fenway show in the middle of the RHCP tour leg in which they're second billed on every single other show, would indicate that someone in the band has a strong preference to not play in Massachusetts for some undefined reason.
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Eh, Killer Mike is from ATL and plays a strong non-musical role in the community as an activist. Riot Fest, while not as genre specific as Electric Daisy Carnival or Newport Folk, does focus upon a few things and books headliners who wouldn't headline (post-2016) Boston Calling, Lollapalooza, Gov Ball, etc.
The weird thing about booking RTJ too high, here, is that they're opening 15-20K seat arenas for RATM next year. It's one thing to be second from top billing in an NFL or MLB stadium/ballpark, but opening at TD Garden sized venues doesn't exactly scream subheadliner.
Green before Rage?
Oh, they'll be Red before Rage, they just won't be the 4th name on the poster (if The Strokes are the third headliner.) An all-male top line means that the next two names on the poster will be female or female-fronted acts. I'm sure that at least two out of the six Blue & Red closers will be female or female-fronted, probably three or four of them.
Other than outstanding warrants for sex with minors (of which there is no substantive basis), I can't think of any legal reason why The Strokes would avoid Massachusetts.
Eh, unpaid child support, someone waiting to serve papers on a civil suit, a hundred unpaid parking tickets, who knows? It's not just that the band hasn't played in the immediate Boston area -- I'm sure that a lot of acts have a city or two they never play because the artist just doesn't like the town, for one reason or another -- but they haven't played in Mansfield, Worcester, or Lowell, either. They haven't played anywhere in Massachusetts in 15 years.
If they're not the third headliner, the fact that they're not playing the Fenway show in the middle of the RHCP tour leg in which they're second billed on every single other show, would indicate that someone in the band has strong preference to not play in Massachusetts for some undefined reason.
They were in New Hampshire last year, before the world went to hell.
Eh, unpaid child support, someone waiting to serve papers on a civil suit, a hundred unpaid parking tickets, who knows? It's not just that the band hasn't played in the immediate Boston area -- I'm sure that a lot of acts have a city or two they never play because the artist just doesn't like the town, for one reason or another -- but they haven't played in Mansfield, Worcester, or Lowell, either. They haven't played anywhere in Massachusetts in 15 years.
If they're not the third headliner, the fact that they're not playing the Fenway show in the middle of the RHCP tour leg in which they're second billed on every single other show, would indicate that someone in the band has strong preference to not play in Massachusetts for some undefined reason.
They were in New Hampshire last year, before the world went to hell.
Yes, they played a Bernie rally.
Bernie also had a rally around the same time in Boston...which they didn't play. If I recall correctly, Boston got a banjo player, instead. (Bela Fleck?)
Bon Iver announced spring/summer tour dates today, with the second leg of the tour beginning in NYC on 6/3, which would line up nicely for a Boston Calling date for one Justin Vernon project or another.
Whether it's "Bon Iver," per se, or not might depend upon the BC radius clause, if there is one. He's got dates in Providence and Portland in June, so we'll see. I'd think that, even with a radius clause, that wouldn't prevent a Big Red Machine set at BC.
Bon Iver announced spring/summer tour dates today, with the second leg of the tour beginning in NYC on 6/3, which would line up nicely for a Boston Calling date for one Justin Vernon project or another.
Whether it's "Bon Iver," per se, or not might depend upon the BC radius clause, if there is one. He's got dates in Providence and Portland in June, so we'll see. I'd think that, even with a radius clause, that wouldn't prevent a Big Red Machine set at BC.
with Bon Iver touring all spring, then starting a summer tour 6/3, plus the National starting a Euro tour 6/2, I'd be stunned if they were lining up BRM shows for May.
Bon Iver announced spring/summer tour dates today, with the second leg of the tour beginning in NYC on 6/3, which would line up nicely for a Boston Calling date for one Justin Vernon project or another.
Whether it's "Bon Iver," per se, or not might depend upon the BC radius clause, if there is one. He's got dates in Providence and Portland in June, so we'll see. I'd think that, even with a radius clause, that wouldn't prevent a Big Red Machine set at BC.
with Bon Iver touring all spring, then starting a summer tour 6/3, plus the National starting a Euro tour 6/2, I'd be stunned if they were lining up BRM shows for May.
yeah I’d guess/hope there’s a bon iver show at BC, but BRM is technically also possible since the National are heading to primavera the week after BC. However BI feels much more likely considering BRM was there at the last edition of the fest
Other than outstanding warrants for sex with minors (of which there is no substantive basis), I can't think of any legal reason why The Strokes would avoid Massachusetts.
Eh, unpaid child support, someone waiting to serve papers on a civil suit, a hundred unpaid parking tickets, who knows? It's not just that the band hasn't played in the immediate Boston area -- I'm sure that a lot of acts have a city or two they never play because the artist just doesn't like the town, for one reason or another -- but they haven't played in Mansfield, Worcester, or Lowell, either. They haven't played anywhere in Massachusetts in 15 years.
It's not like we're talking about Omaha or Des Moines here. The Boston metropolitan area is the 10th largest in the U.S., according to Wikipedia. While the City of Boston proper ranks 24th, concert markets aren't determined by city limits, but by population within a one or two hour drive (i.e., how far will people drive round trip for a show without having to stay overnight).
The Boston concert market is too big for any band of that stature to skip for 15 years.
If they're not the third headliner, the fact that they're not playing the Fenway show in the middle of the RHCP tour leg in which they're second billed on every single other show, would indicate that someone in the band has a strong preference to not play in Massachusetts for some undefined reason.
NYC was close enough for all the die-hard fans in New England. They've also skipped all sorts of other markets and European countries in the past 15 years, so I wouldn't take it as a grudge against MA.
Post by theeimportance on Oct 25, 2021 10:48:39 GMT -5
All The Strokes have all, individually, played Boston or MA shows over the past 10 years so I doubt its any legal issue. They just don't give a fuck about headlining shows and BC hasn't coughed up enough money for them to headline yet.
All The Strokes have all, individually, played Boston or MA shows over the past 10 years so I doubt its any legal issue. They just don't give a fuck about headlining shows and BC hasn't coughed up enough money for them to headline yet.
Well, if they're not the third headliner, why aren't they playing the RHCP Fenway show, since they're playing every other show in that leg of the tour? (BTW, I bet their asking price is a lot less than the Foo Fighters.)
They're probably the third headliner, but if they're not, there's got to be more to the story.
All The Strokes have all, individually, played Boston or MA shows over the past 10 years so I doubt its any legal issue. They just don't give a fuck about headlining shows and BC hasn't coughed up enough money for them to headline yet.
Well, if they're not the third headliner, why aren't they playing the RHCP Fenway show, since they're playing every other show in that leg of the tour? (BTW, I bet their asking price is a lot less than the Foo Fighters.)
They're probably the third headliner, but if they're not, there's got to be more to the story.
Foo Fighters sell way more tickets than The Strokes, and are thus a much safer bet for a headliner booking.
All The Strokes have all, individually, played Boston or MA shows over the past 10 years so I doubt its any legal issue. They just don't give a fuck about headlining shows and BC hasn't coughed up enough money for them to headline yet.
All five? I can't say whether they have or haven't, but I don't recall the Nikolai Fraiture Jazz Quartet, or whatever, playing the Middle East. Yes, JC and AH have been here many times, but are you sure about the other three?
Bon Iver announced spring/summer tour dates today, with the second leg of the tour beginning in NYC on 6/3, which would line up nicely for a Boston Calling date for one Justin Vernon project or another.
Whether it's "Bon Iver," per se, or not might depend upon the BC radius clause, if there is one. He's got dates in Providence and Portland in June, so we'll see. I'd think that, even with a radius clause, that wouldn't prevent a Big Red Machine set at BC.
with Bon Iver touring all spring, then starting a summer tour 6/3, plus the National starting a Euro tour 6/2, I'd be stunned if they were lining up BRM shows for May.
That makes sense, but with Aaron Dessner's involvement in BC, if they were going to do a one-off anywhere, it would be at BC.
Well, if they're not the third headliner, why aren't they playing the RHCP Fenway show, since they're playing every other show in that leg of the tour? (BTW, I bet their asking price is a lot less than the Foo Fighters.)
They're probably the third headliner, but if they're not, there's got to be more to the story.
Foo Fighters sell way more tickets than The Strokes, and are thus a much safer bet for a headliner booking.
That's true, they're the kind of band that casual music fans like and I don't think that The Strokes could headline Fenway and fill it. But are The Strokes going to ask for more than the average Harvard Athletic Grounds headliner?
All The Strokes have all, individually, played Boston or MA shows over the past 10 years so I doubt its any legal issue. They just don't give a fuck about headlining shows and BC hasn't coughed up enough money for them to headline yet.
All five? I can't say whether they have or haven't, but I don't recall the Nikolai Fraiture Jazz Quartet, or whatever, playing the Middle East. Yes, JC and AH have been here many times, but are you sure about the other three?
Yeah Nick I think played with his band CRX or whatever they're called and Fab played drums for Devandra Banhart many moons ago (2013?) at the Wilbur.
For what its worth they haven't played Portland Oregon since 2002, so they might just not care about touring (they don't).
No idea, but the average Harvard Athletic Grounds headliner from the past few years can arguably sell more tickets than The Strokes.
Is the argument here that the Strokes arent a headliner or just that they arent an efficient a way of spending headliner money as possible for Boston Calling
No idea, but the average Harvard Athletic Grounds headliner from the past few years can arguably sell more tickets than The Strokes.
Is the argument here that the Strokes arent a headliner or just that they arent an efficient a way of spending headliner money as possible for Boston Calling
The latter.
That said, they would have been perfect during the City Hall Plaza days, but were likely too expensive at the time.
Is the argument here that the Strokes arent a headliner or just that they arent an efficient a way of spending headliner money as possible for Boston Calling
The latter.
That said, they would have been perfect during the City Hall Plaza days, but were likely too expensive at the time.
I dont really understand why one would care about how efficiently the festival operates with their budget as long as its not going to go bust
That said, they would have been perfect during the City Hall Plaza days, but were likely too expensive at the time.
I dont really understand why one would care about how efficiently the festival operates with their budget as long as its not going to go bust
IDGAF either; nonetheless, we're at the speculation stage of guessing headliners so it's fair game to take everything from the festival's perspective into consideration.
Post by theeimportance on Oct 25, 2021 16:59:19 GMT -5
The Strokes are somewhere between not quite as big as current BC headliners and too big for old BC. So they're a perfect 3rd headliner behind two more popular bands.
The Strokes are somewhere between not quite as big as current BC headliners and too big for old BC. So they're a perfect 3rd headliner behind two more popular bands.
I’m totally cool with them being the 3rd headliner, especially after reading that 2020 undercard and seeing that it needed beefing up.
I’m likely in for at least the Rage day. Might do the rest of the fest depending on how the lineup shakes out. If not, just do one day, go to a Sox game, and drink around town.
11/19: Caribou 11/22: Ranger Trucco 11/29: Armand Van Helden* 1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
11/19: Caribou 11/22: Ranger Trucco 11/29: Armand Van Helden* 1/16: L'Impératrice 1/30: Jamie xx 2/1: DJ Seinfeld 2/7: Mild Minds* 3/1: Father John Misty* 3/19: Confidence Man 3/23: DARKSIDE 5/8: Rüfüs Du Sol
Oh, they'll be Red before Rage, they just won't be the 4th name on the poster (if The Strokes are the third headliner.) An all-male top line means that the next two names on the poster will be female or female-fronted acts. I'm sure that at least two out of the six Blue & Red closers will be female or female-fronted, probably three or four of them.
Seems like based on the BC site, HAIM is already slotted in between Rage and RTJ, I'll be curious to see who fills out around them, especially if they have a similar booking mentality to 2020 with the more rock/indie heavy line up.
There hasn't been the usual day-before-lineup-additions tease on the BC account, but being added to the lineup feels like the most likely meaning of this:
edit: Roadrunner (the new venue in Allston that's supposed to open in the Spring) is teasing an announcement tomorrow, too, so maybe it's actually related to that.
Other than outstanding warrants for sex with minors (of which there is no substantive basis), I can't think of any legal reason why The Strokes would avoid Massachusetts.
Eh, unpaid child support, someone waiting to serve papers on a civil suit, a hundred unpaid parking tickets, who knows? It's not just that the band hasn't played in the immediate Boston area -- I'm sure that a lot of acts have a city or two they never play because the artist just doesn't like the town, for one reason or another -- but they haven't played in Mansfield, Worcester, or Lowell, either. They haven't played anywhere in Massachusetts in 15 years.
I just absolutely the galaxy brain at work here, incredible stuff.
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Oct 28, 2021 9:13:08 GMT -5
The Strokes have only played 47 shows total in the USA since 2006, including appearances on late night shows, with the overwhelming majority of those shows being played at festivals or in NYC, but the reason they haven't played Boston is *warrants*
