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But are they gonna have her headline to a crowd of 8000 people while everyone else is at the Sahara or whatever? That’s the part I can’t see.
You might be right but I think Sade is a bigger draw than some previous headliners (LCD, Jack White, Blur/Stone Roses)
I've argued this before but fuck it, I'll do it again.
Sade is a lot bigger than people here, on Reddit and elsewhere realize and Coachella landing her would be a pretty big deal. Her last tour LA stops in 2011 consisted of three Staples shows, two Honda Center shows and one Toyota Arena in the span of a few weeks. That's a lot. And it's not just older fans who'd see her. She's a black cultural icon who is still popular with younger people, a crowd who probably never had the opportunity to see her. If the younger crowd eats up artists like Snoh Aalegra, H.E.R., Kehlani, Jhené Aiko and others, I'd bet most if not all of that crowd knows Sade and would see her. Hell, we just had someone here ask if SZA could headline and I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between those two fan bases.
Even if most of the crowd she'd attract is older, that's not a bad thing. Older people have more money and those fans will pay out the ass to see Sade. If she made the lineup and you polled buyers "who is the one act you bought a ticket for" I wouldn't be shocked if the Sade responses was up there with the Rage and Travis responses. And as Larry said, she'd be a bigger draw than some of our previous headliners. I'd imagine the return of Sade would probably generate more money than the LCD reunion, especially considering her last tour pulled bigger numbers than LCDs reunion shows. Dare I say, I think she'd be a bigger booking than Tame Impala was, someone who ended up not even being the main headliner on their Bonnaroo day this year.
Whether it will happen or not is only up for speculation, especially considering her age but the argument that she couldn't headline Coachella or would be a bad choice is flat out false. A lot of people would lose their shit if she ended up on the poster come January, it just may not be people you know.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Jul 15, 2021 20:08:27 GMT -5
I agree that booking her would be a huge deal and would generate so much press the number of eyeballs that end up watching her set wouldn’t really make a difference. But I don’t think many people would be at that set.
You might be right but I think Sade is a bigger draw than some previous headliners (LCD, Jack White, Blur/Stone Roses)
I've argued this before but fuck it, I'll do it again.
Sade is a lot bigger than people here, on Reddit and elsewhere realize and Coachella landing her would be a pretty big deal. Her last tour LA stops in 2011 consisted of three Staples shows, two Honda Center shows and one Toyota Arena in the span of a few weeks. That's a lot. And it's not just older fans who'd see her. She's a black cultural icon who is still popular with younger people, a crowd who probably never had the opportunity to see her. If the younger crowd eats up artists like Snoh Aalegra, H.E.R., Kehlani, Jhené Aiko and others, I'd bet most if not all of that crowd knows Sade and would see her. Hell, we just had someone here ask if SZA could headline and I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between those two fan bases.
Even if most of the crowd she'd attract is older, that's not a bad thing. Older people have more money and those fans will pay out the ass to see Sade. If she made the lineup and you polled buyers "who is the one act you bought a ticket for" I wouldn't be shocked if the Sade responses was up there with the Rage and Travis responses. And as Larry said, she'd be a bigger draw than some of our previous headliners. I'd imagine the return of Sade would probably generate more money than the LCD reunion, especially considering her last tour pulled bigger numbers than LCDs reunion shows. Dare I say, I think she'd be a bigger booking than Tame Impala was, someone who ended up not even being the main headliner on their Bonnaroo day this year.
Whether it will happen or not is only up for speculation, especially considering her age but the argument that she couldn't headline Coachella or would be a bad choice is flat out false. A lot of people would lose their shit if she ended up on the poster come January, it just may not be people you know.
look, if the lineup was released before tickets went on sale, I'd 100% agree with you. she has a massive fanbase and a show would be a huge deal. what I'm not convinced of is, would it be a huge deal to the people who have already purchased basically all the tickets to this festival? sorry, but I'm not convinced there's a huge zoomer Sade fanbase out there. I think the crowd going to see her would predominantly be the Olds, while the majority flock to see whatever is going on in the Sahara or whatever.
i'd love to see her and it would be in a once in a lifetime thing, but i can't imagine a scenario in which there's more than 10-15k at her show
I've argued this before but fuck it, I'll do it again.
Sade is a lot bigger than people here, on Reddit and elsewhere realize and Coachella landing her would be a pretty big deal. Her last tour LA stops in 2011 consisted of three Staples shows, two Honda Center shows and one Toyota Arena in the span of a few weeks. That's a lot. And it's not just older fans who'd see her. She's a black cultural icon who is still popular with younger people, a crowd who probably never had the opportunity to see her. If the younger crowd eats up artists like Snoh Aalegra, H.E.R., Kehlani, Jhené Aiko and others, I'd bet most if not all of that crowd knows Sade and would see her. Hell, we just had someone here ask if SZA could headline and I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between those two fan bases.
Even if most of the crowd she'd attract is older, that's not a bad thing. Older people have more money and those fans will pay out the ass to see Sade. If she made the lineup and you polled buyers "who is the one act you bought a ticket for" I wouldn't be shocked if the Sade responses was up there with the Rage and Travis responses. And as Larry said, she'd be a bigger draw than some of our previous headliners. I'd imagine the return of Sade would probably generate more money than the LCD reunion, especially considering her last tour pulled bigger numbers than LCDs reunion shows. Dare I say, I think she'd be a bigger booking than Tame Impala was, someone who ended up not even being the main headliner on their Bonnaroo day this year.
Whether it will happen or not is only up for speculation, especially considering her age but the argument that she couldn't headline Coachella or would be a bad choice is flat out false. A lot of people would lose their shit if she ended up on the poster come January, it just may not be people you know.
look, if the lineup was released before tickets went on sale, I'd 100% agree with you. she has a massive fanbase and a show would be a huge deal. what I'm not convinced of is, would it be a huge deal to the people who have already purchased basically all the tickets to this festival? sorry, but I'm not convinced there's a huge zoomer Sade fanbase out there. I think the crowd going to see her would predominantly be the Olds, while the majority flock to see whatever is going on in the Sahara or whatever.
i'd love to see her and it would be in a once in a lifetime thing, but i can't imagine a scenario in which there's more than 10-15k at her show
I think her crowd would be comparable to LCD, maybe slightly bigger. And need I remind you that forum folk were initially surprised that LCDs crowd wasn't as big as they thought it would be. But the argument your making about passes already purchased could be applied to almost anyone since presales sell a ton every year regardless. You could use that same argument against booking BTS. There would be enough people who already have passes that would attend her set. It wouldn't be some ghost town. Sure, the white Chad bros will probably want to go rage somewhere else but given our options of who could headline Sunday, they'll probably go do that anyways.
Sade doesn’t even have representation. She’s virtually unbookable
I mean didnt Paul have to go to Prince’s house or something? I think if they really want to book her, they’ll find a way to get in contact.
Yeah, he went to his house to sort it out. Hell, Paul flew to Korea to book Blackpink. Whats a flight to London for Sade. He wouldve done that for Kate Bush if it was actually explored.
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Right.
But are they gonna have her headline to a crowd of 8000 people while everyone else is at the Sahara or whatever? That’s the part I can’t see.
Who are you booking as counterprogramming on that night? Lets say Sunday is mostly intact. Lil Uzi Vert or Louis The Child? Seems its a given that Lil Nas X moves up and easily slips into where Marina was.
You might be right but I think Sade is a bigger draw than some previous headliners (LCD, Jack White, Blur/Stone Roses)
I've argued this before but fuck it, I'll do it again.
Sade is a lot bigger than people here, on Reddit and elsewhere realize and Coachella landing her would be a pretty big deal. Her last tour LA stops in 2011 consisted of three Staples shows, two Honda Center shows and one Toyota Arena in the span of a few weeks. That's a lot. And it's not just older fans who'd see her. She's a black cultural icon who is still popular with younger people, a crowd who probably never had the opportunity to see her. If the younger crowd eats up artists like Snoh Aalegra, H.E.R., Kehlani, Jhené Aiko and others, I'd bet most if not all of that crowd knows Sade and would see her. Hell, we just had someone here ask if SZA could headline and I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between those two fan bases.
Even if most of the crowd she'd attract is older, that's not a bad thing. Older people have more money and those fans will pay out the ass to see Sade. If she made the lineup and you polled buyers "who is the one act you bought a ticket for" I wouldn't be shocked if the Sade responses was up there with the Rage and Travis responses. And as Larry said, she'd be a bigger draw than some of our previous headliners. I'd imagine the return of Sade would probably generate more money than the LCD reunion, especially considering her last tour pulled bigger numbers than LCDs reunion shows. Dare I say, I think she'd be a bigger booking than Tame Impala was, someone who ended up not even being the main headliner on their Bonnaroo day this year.
Whether it will happen or not is only up for speculation, especially considering her age but the argument that she couldn't headline Coachella or would be a bad choice is flat out false. A lot of people would lose their shit if she ended up on the poster come January, it just may not be people you know.
There are a couple things with Sade that I think about.
1. She might be willing to accept less than headlining for the promo that comes with appearing on the Coachella lineup and a prime slot. It's her first album in more than 10 years. The promo might be more important than the position on the poster. A lot of people here thought Jamiroquai was headliner or bust, and that was way wrong. Nobody really considered Steely Dan before 2015, but I bet we would've assumed headliner or sub if we had discussed it. A lot of people thought Lana was a headliner before the 2020 lineup came out. I doubt many people would've thought Calvin Harris would take a demotion this soon after headlining. We're not always right about this stuff.
2. I actually think her best case scenario would have been mainstage before Frank (or co-headlining), which is seemingly not happening. She'd draw a crowd, and Frank fans would've been into it.
3. If she _were_ booked as a headliner, I don't think the festival cares that deeply if a headliner plays to 10,000 people instead of 80,000, especially when they know Rage and Travis will draw. I've long been a proponent that it might be more valuable to have an act that'll sell 10k tickets that otherwise wouldn't sell than to have an act who'll draw 50,000 people who'd be there anyway.
Post by braundiggity on Jul 15, 2021 22:07:34 GMT -5
Speaking of once-headliners, I hope that Phoenix's last tour solidified that they're no longer headliners and they get booked to close the Outdoor, given they have a new album on the way. Their first leg in the states was headliner-or-bust but their return was not to arenas. That's a band that would benefit more from being on the poster in a non-headlining role than to skip it yet again.
Outside of inforoo, I hear people talk about LCD Soundsystem about as often as I hear people talk about Sade. Sade probably less actually. So based on the science, I don't think a Sade set would have as high attendance as most headliners.
Sade would not be anything less than a headliner. Just shuffle the days and have Sade headline Friday, Rage Saturday, Travis Sunday. And there's plenty of acts they can lead into Sade's set to keeps the vibes right. She may not have the largest headlining crowd but it won't be terrible.. Tame weekend 1 2019 really really thin
Speaking of once-headliners, I hope that Phoenix's last tour solidified that they're no longer headliners and they get booked to close the Outdoor, given they have a new album on the way. Their first leg in the states was headliner-or-bust but their return was not to arenas. That's a band that would benefit more from being on the poster in a non-headlining role than to skip it yet again.
I would greatly welcome Phoenix on the outdoor theatre. would be a blast honestly.
I could see Sade and Lana coheadlining Friday or something like that. Especially with Lana having 2 albums out since the 2020 poster. Their vibes would work with each other too.
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Post by wufinancial on Jul 16, 2021 13:13:36 GMT -5
Weekend 2 would sell out for the first time in a while if you booked Sade. I think booking older acts with rabid fan bases to headline would be a good way to insure a double sell out. She sold out arenas a decade ago and her fans would pay out the ass to see her again wherever she plays.
