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If you are town, then you will abandon your order of kills and out your vote on Danbob
Why, though? You seem to think Dan and KPO going ends the game if I'm Town. I am Town. So if I'm to trust in your reasoning it shouldn't matter to me which goes first, right? It feels like you don't want me to vote KPO for some specific reason.
If you are town, then you will abandon your order of kills and out your vote on Danbob
Why, though? You seem to think Dan and KPO going ends the game if I'm Town. I am Town. So if I'm to trust in your reasoning it shouldn't matter to me which goes first, right? It feels like you don't want me to vote KPO for some specific reason.
otter, do want to be stuck making a 50/50 decision on Day 5?
I’d obviously prefer to avoid it, but think I’m probably dead here either way.
This is the first game I haven’t had a strong read by now and I don’t like it. My notes have very little Insight on the remaining players:
I was skeptical of Dan early on, but that was based on early (day 1/2 posts) that was a reach then and seems ancient now. Jortles also pointed at him during his last flailing. Jortles was way over the top which almost made Dan seem more guilty to me on the way out. His cryptic ness here at the end is a little off putting.
Zig is my strongest town read of the remaining players. Nothing concrete. More of a gut feel and the back and forth with Jortles (which was also over the top and maybe a misdirect). But haven’t played with zig yet.
Pablo and KPO are the toughest for me to read since they’ve said the least. Never played with Pablo either.
KPO followed Jortles votes early on and stuck up for him a little bit on page 19. That’s the reason I’m leaning KPO.
Upon further thought, I do NOT think the oracle should reveal here at all.
I keep going back and forth on an oracle reveal. I’m laying my cards on the table in the hope it helps them make an informed decision. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
If there are 2 mafia remaining, a reveal helps us here because it’s do or die for town either way. If we don’t get one of the mafia here, we lose regardless as it’s 2 v. 1 on day 5. So knowing 1 additional town is helpful, Because we have to get this right, even if we definitely won’t ever learn the oracle’s dying prophecy/guess.
But If there is 1 mafia remaining, a reveal could help the mafia quite a bit. We can’t exile the Oracle because We don’t want to risk a 2 v. 1 scenario (see above). Thus if we exile a townee, mafia can ensure that oracle lives until day 5, we never learn the oracle’s dying prophecy, and leave oracle with a 50/50 guess. If we don’t reveal, there is a 1/3 shot that mafia whacks oracle, and then we learn the prophecy. Of course that is slightly offset by the fact we would know a townie prior to this vote and have a better chance at guessing right before we get to day 5.
otter, they have to whack you night 4. Any other option by the mafia brings into play a guaranteed Townie win. This would have been the case whether I revealed or not.
Here’s where we are at:
Oracle: ZIG Confirmed Town: Otter Unknown: Dan, KPO, Pablo
Mafia didn’t know if Otter was oracle or not. But I did. I knew we would not get an oracle reveal tonight, but because mafia didn’t know that, they HAD to whack him. Here are the scenarios below:
1. If they whacked the last “unknown” then Otter and ZIG are alive Day 5 and town wins with 2 known roles. 2. If they whack ZIG instead of Otter, then otter is alive and oracle reveal bumps it to 2 known roles. Again town wins. 3. If they whacked Otter and he also happened to be oracle, then we get the reveal and get 1 known role on day 5. (I knew this scenario wouldn’t happen because I’m oracle). 4. if they whack Otter and he is just generic town, then the oracle ZIG will be alive on day 5 and have to cast the 50/50 tiebreaker.
Scenario 4 was happening whether I revealed Day 4 or Day 5. And because I am the deciding vote, we can wrap this up because on Day 5 I will be making the deciding vote.
Lock me on Dan, obviously. I’m inclined to believe Zig. I thought the same thing about why they didn’t whack otter as well but didn’t want to openly strategize for mafia. I really fail to see how I haven’t beaten my explanations and strategy to death and also think my desperate playing pretty much mirrors a few games ago when I was in a late game runoff as town. I haven’t been mafia very often and am still pretty bad at it so I feel like it would be more obvious/less like my usual strategy
If exiling me day 5 still makes it possible for town to win and gets the questions surrounding me as town vs. mafia out of the picture then by all means do it. I’d rather not make it to the end and have town win here. But if exiling a townie day 5 makes us lose I cannot urge you enough to look elsewhere. Feeling pretty decent about Dan being mafia but if I’m wrong I at the very least know Pablo is then. Go after Pablo if I get d5 exiled and the game isn’t over
otter, they have to whack you night 4. Any other option by the mafia brings into play a guaranteed Townie win. This would have been the case whether I revealed or not.
Here’s where we are at:
Oracle: ZIG Confirmed Town: Otter Unknown: Dan, KPO, Pablo
Mafia didn’t know if Otter was oracle or not. But I did. I knew we would not get an oracle reveal tonight, but because mafia didn’t know that, they HAD to whack him. Here are the scenarios below:
1. If they whacked the last “unknown” then Otter and ZIG are alive Day 5 and town wins with 2 known roles. 2. If they whack ZIG instead of Otter, then otter is alive and oracle reveal bumps it to 2 known roles. Again town wins. 3. If they whacked Otter and he also happened to be oracle, then we get the reveal and get 1 known role on day 5. (I knew this scenario wouldn’t happen because I’m oracle). 4. if they whack Otter and he is just generic town, then the oracle ZIG will be alive on day 5 and have to cast the 50/50 tiebreaker.
Scenario 4 was happening whether I revealed Day 4 or Day 5. And because I am the deciding vote, we can wrap this up because on Day 5 I will be making the deciding vote.
Agree with all of this. I misspoke above, but all my scenarios were supposed to assume I was being whacked.
otter , they have to whack you night 4. Any other option by the mafia brings into play a guaranteed Townie win. This would have been the case whether I revealed or not.
Here’s where we are at:
Oracle: ZIG Confirmed Town: Otter Unknown: Dan, KPO, Pablo
Mafia didn’t know if Otter was oracle or not. But I did. I knew we would not get an oracle reveal tonight, but because mafia didn’t know that, they HAD to whack him. Here are the scenarios below:
1. If they whacked the last “unknown” then Otter and ZIG are alive Day 5 and town wins with 2 known roles. 2. If they whack ZIG instead of Otter, then otter is alive and oracle reveal bumps it to 2 known roles. Again town wins. 3. If they whacked Otter and he also happened to be oracle, then we get the reveal and get 1 known role on day 5. (I knew this scenario wouldn’t happen because I’m oracle). 4. if they whack Otter and he is just generic town, then the oracle ZIG will be alive on day 5 and have to cast the 50/50 tiebreaker.
Scenario 4 was happening whether I revealed Day 4 or Day 5. And because I am the deciding vote, we can wrap this up because on Day 5 I will be making the deciding vote.
Don’t humor yourself. You’ve literally been so obvious
otter , they have to whack you night 4. Any other option by the mafia brings into play a guaranteed Townie win. This would have been the case whether I revealed or not.
Here’s where we are at:
Oracle: ZIG Confirmed Town: Otter Unknown: Dan, KPO, Pablo
Mafia didn’t know if Otter was oracle or not. But I did. I knew we would not get an oracle reveal tonight, but because mafia didn’t know that, they HAD to whack him. Here are the scenarios below:
1. If they whacked the last “unknown” then Otter and ZIG are alive Day 5 and town wins with 2 known roles. 2. If they whack ZIG instead of Otter, then otter is alive and oracle reveal bumps it to 2 known roles. Again town wins. 3. If they whacked Otter and he also happened to be oracle, then we get the reveal and get 1 known role on day 5. (I knew this scenario wouldn’t happen because I’m oracle). 4. if they whack Otter and he is just generic town, then the oracle ZIG will be alive on day 5 and have to cast the 50/50 tiebreaker.
Scenario 4 was happening whether I revealed Day 4 or Day 5. And because I am the deciding vote, we can wrap this up because on Day 5 I will be making the deciding vote.
Don’t humor yourself. You’ve literally been so obvious
I know you’ve been playing this longer than me, but how was he obvious? I was worried it was otter and we’d have one less confirmed townie
GG town literally had us by the balls since page 4
lolololol at the time in d1 I was like “this chaos isn’t helping town, we must cease it!!”
But upon reflection, it turned out super helpful. We realized Kanye was just doing one of his weird chaotic town maneuvers , Tranter was looking townish the whole time (and I’m shaking my head at all you that thought otherwise), I was whacked n1 so shown to be town that way, and the remaining chaos maker was youuuu who SO CLEARLY WAS MAF.
lol I was gonna push so hard for both you & potent d2 so good on y’all for killing me jostles was the one I didn’t have a read on yet but he was the given luckily
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
jostles was the one I didn’t have a read on yet but he was the given luckily 