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Denver's making the same bet the Rams made, albeit with a roster that's not quite as good. The only concern I'd have is that a) Russ's deal is almost up and he's gonna want $50m/year, and b) his production has been in decline the past few years. Of course, he was probably one of the top-3 QBs in the league from about 2015-2019, so even a step down from that is still great, but there is something to be said about the fact that aside from Rodgers and Brady, you basically don't find QBs over the age of 33 performing at a truly elite level.
A) 2 years left on a deal is plenty of time, considering most contracts only last 3-4 years anyway, and at 25M per season, it’s a bargain and not “almost up”. B) Wilson’s production was down last season because he played on a terrible team with one of the worst offensive lines in the league, a trash running game, and no depth at WR.
And your hot take that QBs don’t win super bowls or are elite as they age is factually wrong. The obvious names, Brady, Manning, etc, but you forgot about a ton. Old QBs competing is as old as time.
Going back to the beginning of the Super Bowl era: Bart Starr - won SB1 & 2 at age 33 and 34 Len Dawson - won SB4 at age 34 Unitas - won SB5 at age 37 Tarkenton - lost 3 SBs in the 70s at age 33,34,36 Roger Staubach - won at 29, lost at 33, won at 35, lost at 36 Jim Plunkett - won SB18 at age 36 Elway - won SB32 & 33 at age 37 / 38 P Manning - lost at 37, won at 39 Stafford - won at 34.
I mean, "most elite QBs don't stay that way as they age" isn't my take, nor is it one that's particularly hot. You can Google it if you want, there are plenty of articles out there on it by people who are actually good at this thing. The graph I posted above was from PFF, but there's plenty more.
I'm not sure which year you're referring to as "last season", but Seattle averaged 5 yards/attempt rushing in 2021, behind only the Colts and Browns - and that's with Wilson being out/injured for a good chunk of the season, when everyone new they'd be running. Hell, they had the single best rushing attack in the league, by a fair margin, over the last 6 games of the season. They were at 4.8 yard/attempt in 2020, good for 7th in the league.
And trust me, as a Seahawks fan I've been bemoaning the lack of a sturdy OL for years now, but there's plenty of debate regarding how much of Wilson's sacks go to him. There are plenty of times where he simply holds onto the ball too long, passing up either short throws or simply getting rid of the ball, in search of the deep strike. Again, this is far from settled, but there's plenty that's been written about this, should you care to look it up. Completely anecdotally, the amount of times where I've watched Wilson take a horrendous sack because he simply refused to get rid of the ball are too many to count. If that all changes in Denver, more power to him.
As for the QBs you cited...I'm not sure that referencing guys from the days when players used to smoke in the huddle really supports your cause, but I'll play. Going back 20 years, the only QBs to win a Super Bowl over the age of 33 are Brad Johnson (2002), Payton Manning (2016), Tom Brady (2015, 2017, 2019, 2021), and Matt Stafford (2022). Since 2002, the only QBs over age 33 to even make the Super Bowl, aside from those guys, are Rich Gannon (2002) and Kurt Warner (2009). So taking out the undeniable greatest QB of all time, it's a pretty thin pool. And with good reason! It's incredibly hard to take as much punishment as an NFL QB does and sustain a high level of production until your mid-30s.
Personally, I think Denver is doing exactly what LA did, which is to push their chips to the middle of the table. Hell, even if Wilson doesn't re-sign there in two years, or retires or whatever, it's all worth it if you get a championship in the interim. It's a smart move given the state of their roster, and the fact that trying to gamble on finding a QB in the draft or free agency is extremely hard.
A) 2 years left on a deal is plenty of time, considering most contracts only last 3-4 years anyway, and at 25M per season, it’s a bargain and not “almost up”. B) Wilson’s production was down last season because he played on a terrible team with one of the worst offensive lines in the league, a trash running game, and no depth at WR.
And your hot take that QBs don’t win super bowls or are elite as they age is factually wrong. The obvious names, Brady, Manning, etc, but you forgot about a ton. Old QBs competing is as old as time.
Going back to the beginning of the Super Bowl era: Bart Starr - won SB1 & 2 at age 33 and 34 Len Dawson - won SB4 at age 34 Unitas - won SB5 at age 37 Tarkenton - lost 3 SBs in the 70s at age 33,34,36 Roger Staubach - won at 29, lost at 33, won at 35, lost at 36 Jim Plunkett - won SB18 at age 36 Elway - won SB32 & 33 at age 37 / 38 P Manning - lost at 37, won at 39 Stafford - won at 34.
I mean, "most elite QBs don't stay that way as they age" isn't my take, nor is it one that's particularly hot. You can Google it if you want, there are plenty of articles out there on it by people who are actually good at this thing. The graph I posted above was from PFF, but there's plenty more.
I'm not sure which year you're referring to as "last season", but Seattle averaged 5 yards/attempt rushing in 2021, behind only the Colts and Browns - and that's with Wilson being out/injured for a good chunk of the season, when everyone new they'd be running. Hell, they had the single best rushing attack in the league, by a fair margin, over the last 6 games of the season. They were at 4.8 yard/attempt in 2020, good for 7th in the league.
And trust me, as a Seahawks fan I've been bemoaning the lack of a sturdy OL for years now, but there's plenty of debate regarding how much of Wilson's sacks go to him. There are plenty of times where he simply holds onto the ball too long, passing up either short throws or simply getting rid of the ball, in search of the deep strike. Again, this is far from settled, but there's plenty that's been written about this, should you care to look it up. Completely anecdotally, the amount of times where I've watched Wilson take a horrendous sack because he simply refused to get rid of the ball are too many to count. If that all changes in Denver, more power to him.
As for the QBs you cited...I'm not sure that referencing guys from the days when players used to smoke in the huddle really supports your cause, but I'll play. Going back 20 years, the only QBs to win a Super Bowl over the age of 33 are Brad Johnson (2002), Payton Manning (2016), Tom Brady (2015, 2017, 2019, 2021), and Matt Stafford (2022). Since 2002, the only QBs over age 33 to even make the Super Bowl, aside from those guys, are Rich Gannon (2002) and Kurt Warner (2009). So taking out the undeniable greatest QB of all time, it's a pretty thin pool. And with good reason! It's incredibly hard to take as much punishment as an NFL QB does and sustain a high level of production until your mid-30s.
Personally, I think Denver is doing exactly what LA did, which is to push their chips to the middle of the table. Hell, even if Wilson doesn't re-sign there in two years, or retires or whatever, it's all worth it if you get a championship in the interim. It's a smart move given the state of their roster, and the fact that trying to gamble on finding a QB in the draft or free agency is extremely hard.
Sutton doesn't matter because he can't stay healthy, and it doesn't matter because even so one of Metcalf or lockett is better. both were 11/12 in pffs final ranking and jeudy didn't make the list and before you say QB, there are wrs on that list w worse QB situations than Teddy B. also Albert O amounts to nothing other than a maybe
I didn't say Seattle had a better offense I said they had better wrs
Sutton can’t stay healthy? Other than his ACL which cost him the entire 2020 season, he hasn’t missed a game in his other 3 years.
Personally, i think they are quite comparable in yards, with vastly different QB structures: Sutton 3 seasons: 700, 1100, 700 Metcalf 3 seasons: 900, 1300, 900
What’s the difference? QB. Those numbers will flip next season.
Albert O is certainly a question mark, however, coming off an ACL injury as well, he immediately removed Noah Fant as the #1 TE and showed just as much pass catching skills while also being able to block. There’s a reason why hardly any Denver fans are sad that Fant was included in the trade.
Post by trantsgiving on Mar 10, 2022 22:53:55 GMT -5
If Trey Lance is even close to what he is expected to be, the 49ers will win the Super Bowl. I’ll take the Patriots for the AFC. I think Mac Jones steps into his own this year.
I hope to not be tagged. I know this macho man ex-marine right wing guy who got a tramp stamp on his back back when they were allegedly cool. He claimed Indian heritage. But on the off chance I see his Georgia celebrity ass, I’ll ask him if anyone’s got it lately. :flip off:
We restructured Cam Jordan and Tanoh Kpassignon to get to $33MM over the cap and extended Carl Granderson for two years. We have some work to do, but restructures should get us to the cap threshold. Then it’s what’s next. We can’t pay for Marcus Williams, but Tyrann Mathieu wants to come home and would be fine with this defense. We will have to figure out a way to work a contact with Davenport and then decide on a QB. There is a lot of chatter linking us to Jimmy Garoppolo, and I can’t hate him if that happens. But my first choice with Wilson and Rodgers off the table is Jameis Winston. I think we can get him on a shorter term $35MM/year type contract unless someone offers him a blank check in which case I’m not going to be mad if he takes that.
