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They get Wilson at 34 & 35 years of age and then he's a free agent. They'll have no firsts or seconds during that time. His current contract is pretty cheap, too, so don't be shocked if he swings a new deal, too. ($51M combined.)
It's just a tough spot for a team that isn't necessarily an elite QB away from winning it all. They've got KC & LA to deal with for four games a year and maybe the Raiders will improve, too. They're also in a conference that's pretty stacked at QB.
We have an extra 2nd and 3rd this year from the Von trade so even after dropping the 1 and 2, we still have a 2,3,3,4,4,5,6,7 in the draft this year. Plus Russell’s is fairly cheap for the last 2 contract years and we have a ton of salary cap.
As for the players, getting rid of Drew Lock is a bonus for Denver. He’s a solid backup at best but the fans had moved on from him.
I liked Shelby Harris but he’s a streaky aging veteran with a respectable salary so that will free up the roster for additional youth and talent.
Noah Fant has been a huge bust. He shows flashes of gronk-like catching and YAC, but he is always injured and is horrendous at blocking. So much of our running game got blown up because Fant couldn’t block this year. Albert O continued to outperform Fant and was able to block so Fant was seeing a lot of TE2. Plus, it’s decision time on his 5th year option so it was time to either lock him up or move on.
I’m hoping Von comes back as well. At this point, he got his second ring, take the hometown discount and chase a ring again with Denver.
bobby Wagner on the market now, wonder how deep the purge of Seattle goes
Pete Carroll retiring, DK Metcalf traded?
if Pete was retiring, Russ would still be there.
As a Seahawks fan, Pete should have been fired in 2019 after the loss to the Cowboys in the playoffs. Ownership choosing to keep him hanging around over Russ is an abomination.
The flipside of that is, if Russ did want to leave, and Seattle was going to do a rebuild, I'd be way more fine with it if Pete Carroll wasn't going to be overseeing it.
I actually like Denver’s roster (especially if von returns) and think adding Wilson instantly gives them a chance to make the playoffs. And once you’re in, anything can happen.
It looks like their post-trade salary cap is about $26.8M for the year. They've got no 1st or 2nd rounders but they have some room to pick up some veteran talent.
I don't think that they've got the juice to take the division from KC but you're right that they may be able to make it in as a wild card but it's a pretty deep pool in the AFC. The Bengals/Ravens, Chargers, and Raiders probably slot in ahead of them. (I'm not much of a believer in the Raiders but they did manage to finish second with a lot of stuff going in-house last season and deserve the benefit of the doubt with McDaniels.)
Denver's making the same bet the Rams made, albeit with a roster that's not quite as good. The only concern I'd have is that a) Russ's deal is almost up and he's gonna want $50m/year, and b) his production has been in decline the past few years. Of course, he was probably one of the top-3 QBs in the league from about 2015-2019, so even a step down from that is still great, but there is something to be said about the fact that aside from Rodgers and Brady, you basically don't find QBs over the age of 33 performing at a truly elite level.
bobby Wagner on the market now, wonder how deep the purge of Seattle goes
If they could get multiple draft picks for DK, I'd be okay with it. He's gonna cost a fortune to re-sign, and I doubt he'd stick around anyway. If they can flip him for a 1st + more, go for it. Rumors about them moving Lockett, but he makes more sense to keep around - his trade value would be far less than DK, and he's the kind of receiver who doesn't necessarily need an elite QB to thrive.
bobby Wagner on the market now, wonder how deep the purge of Seattle goes
If they could get multiple draft picks for DK, I'd be okay with it. He's gonna cost a fortune to re-sign, and I doubt he'd stick around anyway. If they can flip him for a 1st + more, go for it. Rumors about them moving Lockett, but he makes more sense to keep around - his trade value would be far less than DK, and he's the kind of receiver who doesn't necessarily need an elite QB to thrive.
I think lockett and Metcalf is a better wr Corp than what the broncos have tbh, so they could probably still have a shot at making noise w an above average QB if they can actually fill out the roster
It looks like their post-trade salary cap is about $26.8M for the year. They've got no 1st or 2nd rounders but they have some room to pick up some veteran talent.
I don't think that they've got the juice to take the division from KC but you're right that they may be able to make it in as a wild card but it's a pretty deep pool in the AFC. The Bengals/Ravens, Chargers, and Raiders probably slot in ahead of them. (I'm not much of a believer in the Raiders but they did manage to finish second with a lot of stuff going in-house last season and deserve the benefit of the doubt with McDaniels.)
Denver's making the same bet the Rams made, albeit with a roster that's not quite as good. The only concern I'd have is that a) Russ's deal is almost up and he's gonna want $50m/year, and b) his production has been in decline the past few years. Of course, he was probably one of the top-3 QBs in the league from about 2015-2019, so even a step down from that is still great, but there is something to be said about the fact that aside from Rodgers and Brady, you basically don't find QBs over the age of 33 performing at a truly elite level.
All of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roth were great after 33. This is changing.
Denver's making the same bet the Rams made, albeit with a roster that's not quite as good. The only concern I'd have is that a) Russ's deal is almost up and he's gonna want $50m/year, and b) his production has been in decline the past few years. Of course, he was probably one of the top-3 QBs in the league from about 2015-2019, so even a step down from that is still great, but there is something to be said about the fact that aside from Rodgers and Brady, you basically don't find QBs over the age of 33 performing at a truly elite level.
All of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roth were great after 33. This is changing.
Sorry, I misspoke. The age I meant to cite was 35. But literally every QB you mentioned there has a noticeable drop off around age 35.
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Mar 9, 2022 12:06:17 GMT -5
and yeah, there are outliers, and some of that comes from older QBs playing for systems that minimize their developing weaknesses, but the odds aren't great. as someone who's watched every Wilson game for the last 10 years, he's been off the last several - he doesn't really scramble anymore, his deep ball is still great but not quite as lethal, and teams have realized that he hates throwing to the middle of the field, which makes him easier to defend.
he's still a massive upgrade for Denver, and Seattle is going to be lucky to win 6 games this year, but in a vacuum, I'd be fine with them moving on from Wilson. it's more everything surrounding it (read: leaving Carroll in charge) which is the problem.
If they could get multiple draft picks for DK, I'd be okay with it. He's gonna cost a fortune to re-sign, and I doubt he'd stick around anyway. If they can flip him for a 1st + more, go for it. Rumors about them moving Lockett, but he makes more sense to keep around - his trade value would be far less than DK, and he's the kind of receiver who doesn't necessarily need an elite QB to thrive.
I think lockett and Metcalf is a better wr Corp than what the broncos have tbh, so they could probably still have a shot at making noise w an above average QB if they can actually fill out the roster
All of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Roth were great after 33. This is changing.
Sorry, I misspoke. The age I meant to cite was 35. But literally every QB you mentioned there has a noticeable drop off around age 35.
I mean one question I have is where are they dropping to? It's fine for one of the 10 best QBs of all time to take a dip if they they are dipping to an area where they are still top 5 currently. I'm asking you because I dont want to use my brain.
But also, I've never been sold that Wilson is Brady / Manning / Rodgers / Brees level. Maybe Roth but his playstyle may not hold up as well in old age.
Sorry, I misspoke. The age I meant to cite was 35. But literally every QB you mentioned there has a noticeable drop off around age 35.
I mean one question I have is where are they dropping to? It's fine for one of the 10 best QBs of all time to take a dip if they they are dipping to an area where they are still top 5 currently. I'm asking you because I dont want to use my brain.
But also, I've never been sold that Wilson is Brady / Manning / Rodgers / Brees level. Maybe Roth but his playstyle may not hold up as well in old age.
I mean, Roth/River/Brees were, in their later years, some of the worst starting QBs in the league. But I can't chart it for you year by year, I know there are plenty of articles out there about this kind of thing, though.
I would say that Wilson was, at his peak (2015-2019 or so) one of the 5 best passers in the league, and he's always been supremely underrated for whatever reason. Part of that is because he really was used conservatively the first few years of his career, and I think some people never really accepted that by the time 2014 hit, he was driving that offense.
yeah the graph goes from 1 to -1 and theres no one truly bad on it so idk what it means other than Eli Manning was the single greatest QB of our generation, as i've always said
bobby Wagner on the market now, wonder how deep the purge of Seattle goes
If they could get multiple draft picks for DK, I'd be okay with it. He's gonna cost a fortune to re-sign, and I doubt he'd stick around anyway. If they can flip him for a 1st + more, go for it. Rumors about them moving Lockett, but he makes more sense to keep around - his trade value would be far less than DK, and he's the kind of receiver who doesn't necessarily need an elite QB to thrive.
I know that Bills twitter has been all in on trading for Lockett. Not sure if he's actually in play but if they are tying to strip down and do a complete rebuild...
don't buy the rivers was bad take at all, at 37 he threw 4300 32td 12int at 68.3% with 12 wins, and that dropped to 4100 24 11 at 68% with 11 wins at 39
I mean one question I have is where are they dropping to? It's fine for one of the 10 best QBs of all time to take a dip if they they are dipping to an area where they are still top 5 currently. I'm asking you because I dont want to use my brain.
But also, I've never been sold that Wilson is Brady / Manning / Rodgers / Brees level. Maybe Roth but his playstyle may not hold up as well in old age.
I mean, Roth/River/Brees were, in their later years, some of the worst starting QBs in the league. But I can't chart it for you year by year, I know there are plenty of articles out there about this kind of thing, though.
I would say that Wilson was, at his peak (2015-2019 or so) one of the 5 best passers in the league, and he's always been supremely underrated for whatever reason. Part of that is because he really was used conservatively the first few years of his career, and I think some people never really accepted that by the time 2014 hit, he was driving that offense.
Im definitely not coming to the defense of Rivers I dont care about him. Brees' last year was bad and he was obviously done, but I recall him being in the MVP conversation well after 35 and having a great stretch from '17-'19 or whatever it was. Roth had one or 2 bad years?
Also, at Maddog pointed out, that graph has to raise some eyebrows with Eli's representation on it. The point is, Brady, Manning (the good one), Rodgers, Brees and to a lesser extent but still worth noting ROthlesburger and maybe Warner, were all great QBs well into their mid 30s. If Russell could give them four great, great years this whole thing would be worth it. I dont even know if he is that guy though.
It looks like their post-trade salary cap is about $26.8M for the year. They've got no 1st or 2nd rounders but they have some room to pick up some veteran talent.
I don't think that they've got the juice to take the division from KC but you're right that they may be able to make it in as a wild card but it's a pretty deep pool in the AFC. The Bengals/Ravens, Chargers, and Raiders probably slot in ahead of them. (I'm not much of a believer in the Raiders but they did manage to finish second with a lot of stuff going in-house last season and deserve the benefit of the doubt with McDaniels.)
Denver's making the same bet the Rams made, albeit with a roster that's not quite as good. The only concern I'd have is that a) Russ's deal is almost up and he's gonna want $50m/year, and b) his production has been in decline the past few years. Of course, he was probably one of the top-3 QBs in the league from about 2015-2019, so even a step down from that is still great, but there is something to be said about the fact that aside from Rodgers and Brady, you basically don't find QBs over the age of 33 performing at a truly elite level.
A) 2 years left on a deal is plenty of time, considering most contracts only last 3-4 years anyway, and at 25M per season, it’s a bargain and not “almost up”. B) Wilson’s production was down last season because he played on a terrible team with one of the worst offensive lines in the league, a trash running game, and no depth at WR.
And your hot take that QBs don’t win super bowls or are elite as they age is factually wrong. The obvious names, Brady, Manning, etc, but you forgot about a ton. Old QBs competing is as old as time.
Going back to the beginning of the Super Bowl era: Bart Starr - won SB1 & 2 at age 33 and 34 Len Dawson - won SB4 at age 34 Unitas - won SB5 at age 37 Tarkenton - lost 3 SBs in the 70s at age 33,34,36 Roger Staubach - won at 29, lost at 33, won at 35, lost at 36 Jim Plunkett - won SB18 at age 36 Elway - won SB32 & 33 at age 37 / 38 P Manning - lost at 37, won at 39 Stafford - won at 34.
I think lockett and Metcalf is a better wr Corp than what the broncos have tbh, so they could probably still have a shot at making noise w an above average QB if they can actually fill out the roster
Think you're sleeping on Jeudy
Seahawks: Metcalf, Lockett, ……… One of the worst OLines in the league.
Broncos: Sutton, Patrick, Jeudy, Hamler, Albert O, Javonte Williams. I believe top 12 OLine the last 2 years.
Sutton doesn't matter because he can't stay healthy, and it doesn't matter because even so one of Metcalf or lockett is better. both were 11/12 in pffs final ranking and jeudy didn't make the list and before you say QB, there are wrs on that list w worse QB situations than Teddy B. also Albert O amounts to nothing other than a maybe
I didn't say Seattle had a better offense I said they had better wrs
