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I’m honestly quite confused why I’m in this because aside from making a poor read call D1, to which I’ve admitted and apologized multiple times, I really don’t see how I’m acting different from how I typically do as town. And I’m not surprised tranter is on me because he’s read me as Maf multiple games pretty recently when I’ve just been vanilla town as I am here now, but theo does sort of surprise me (that of all the choices, he chose to vote me)
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
With 1-2 mafia left, it bothers me that it's this quiet after the runoff was set and it's making me rethink my vote.
what are your thoughts on JTR? I’m surprised he isn’t in this right now. I would’ve gone him over you if he’d had a vote on him when I placed mine , but cum had switched already
you two could make it a Rummy JTR runoff and I would consider switching if the right arguments were made.
It would go straight to two person and JTR would have a revote but if you think JTR should be in here then I think it’s worth it
I’m honestly quite confused why I’m in this because aside from making a poor read call D1, to which I’ve admitted and apologized multiple times, I really don’t see how I’m acting different from how I typically do as town. And I’m not surprised tranter is on me because he’s read me as Maf multiple games pretty recently when I’ve just been vanilla town as I am here now, but theo does sort of surprise me (that of all the choices, he chose to vote me)
the poor D1 call got inspector whacked. I mean no matter which way you cut it, it’s not a good look at all.
I also said that I thought you were reaching to implicate cum.
I’m honestly quite confused why I’m in this because aside from making a poor read call D1, to which I’ve admitted and apologized multiple times, I really don’t see how I’m acting different from how I typically do as town. And I’m not surprised tranter is on me because he’s read me as Maf multiple games pretty recently when I’ve just been vanilla town as I am here now, but theo does sort of surprise me (that of all the choices, he chose to vote me)
the poor D1 call got inspector whacked. I mean no matter which way you cut it, it’s not a good look at all.
I also said that I thought you were reaching to implicate cum.
to the latter point, i already touched on this--i was "reaching" in my probing of both of you. it helps me gauge reactions and isn't really an uncommon tactic to use when town and thus working with very little info (yes we got an inspo reveal but we know we only got the one name and nothing further to work with, the rest is on Town to figure out). im sorry if you find it bothersome but it has worked pretty well in prior games for the most part though of course there are times when it doesn't, just like any town-employed tactic: none will work well 100% of the time.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
what are your thoughts on JTR? I’m surprised he isn’t in this right now. I would’ve gone him over you if he’d had a vote on him when I placed mine , but cum had switched already
you two could make it a Rummy JTR runoff and I would consider switching if the right arguments were made.
It would go straight to two person and JTR would have a revote but if you think JTR should be in here then I think it’s worth it
care to elucidate a bit?
if we go straight to a two-person and im in it, Town has only a 50% of MAYBE catching a maf today (if JTR is, and if he isn't, then 0% chance).
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
you two could make it a Rummy JTR runoff and I would consider switching if the right arguments were made.
It would go straight to two person and JTR would have a revote but if you think JTR should be in here then I think it’s worth it
care to elucidate a bit?
if we go straight to a two-person and im in it, Town has only a 50% of MAYBE catching a maf today (if JTR is, and if he isn't, then 0% chance).
if someone could make a good argument on why I should switch to JTR, I would do it. I don’t know what it would have to be but it would need to outweigh my points for you. I agree with potent that it did get quiet so I’m in favor of shaking this up.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
what are your thoughts on JTR? I’m surprised he isn’t in this right now. I would’ve gone him over you if he’d had a vote on him when I placed mine , but cum had switched already
you two could make it a Rummy JTR runoff and I would consider switching if the right arguments were made.
It would go straight to two person and JTR would have a revote but if you think JTR should be in here then I think it’s worth it
would you say your top 2 most sus are JTR and potent?
at this point, methinks so, jacob. reasons to go JTR have been pointed out by multiple people so i won't reiterate them but i am not sure this piece has been brought up: i think it is interesting how JTR brought attention to/asked about the notion of a potential maf Potent voting out the gate for his maf teammate LD, saying like "but don't mafia avoid doing this?"
i feel like mafia have done that enough times in games that he has reffed that... it just struck me as a strange question, one that it seems he should already know the answer to. so it made me wonder, was he asking it to put potent in a good light? idk.
you asked for me to help you see the reasons why JTR more sus than me.
thoughts on this piece that i raised earlier? you didnt reply to any of this content, just sorta scolded me for giving JTR and potent the revotes, and i still would love to hear what alternative i should've pursued instead given that i dont feel like advancing you or cum when we've likely got 2 maf out there rn & neither of you are top of my sus list.
but re: the above point...i mean think of how many games he has reffed--doesn't this strike you as odd, since he has DEF reffed games before where maf voted for each other d1?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
at this point, methinks so, jacob. reasons to go JTR have been pointed out by multiple people so i won't reiterate them but i am not sure this piece has been brought up: i think it is interesting how JTR brought attention to/asked about the notion of a potential maf Potent voting out the gate for his maf teammate LD, saying like "but don't mafia avoid doing this?"
i feel like mafia have done that enough times in games that he has reffed that... it just struck me as a strange question, one that it seems he should already know the answer to. so it made me wonder, was he asking it to put potent in a good light? idk.
you asked for me to help you see the reasons why JTR more sus than me.
thoughts on this piece that i raised earlier? you didnt reply to any of this content, just sorta scolded me for giving JTR and potent the revotes, and i still would love to hear what alternative i should've pursued instead given that i dont feel like advancing you or cum when we've likely got 2 maf out there rn & neither of you are top of my sus list.
but re: the above point...i mean think of how many games he has reffed--doesn't this strike you as odd, since he has DEF reffed games before where maf voted for each other d1?
it’s a good point, I’ll rethink this on my break before the deadline
Uhhh...someone? Do you not remember that you voted for me initially and now are back on me? That feels weird.
something about this feels staged
yep. also i brought up a pretty valid concern with Potent's sorta reactionary response to my naming some suspicions around him--that last time he did that to me, with almost exact same tone, he was maf tricking me into not voting for him. so of course it raises my eyebrows now.
jacob, we could be the stuff that legends are made of here if we cast aside our games-long maf bickering to work together for a Town Win
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
This is the count right before Teddy felt he had to reveal.
Vote Count
Teddy - 5 (rooloo, Cum, Rummy, JTR, Tranter)
Rooloo - 4 (Jortles, Maddog, Potent, Theo)
Jortles - 2 (LD, Teddy)
Record
JTR > Jortles
JTR > Jortles > Teddy
Teddy > Jortles
Potent > Rooloo > Jortles
Potent > Rooloo > Jortles > Rooloo
Tranter > Jortles > Teddy
Theo > Jortles > Rooloo
Based on this, you would have to think there's at least one mafia on Teddy. It would be wild if there were 5 votes on him and none were mafia. Now that there are four alive, the math tells us it's likely that there's at least 1 in there. I tend to think rooloo was town based on LD's interactions with him and the fact that rooloo or jortles had to go after Teddy revealed. This aligns with Maddog's comment about Teddy voters as well. I think it makes sense to look there.
would you say your top 2 most sus are JTR and potent?
at this point, methinks so, jacob. reasons to go JTR have been pointed out by multiple people so i won't reiterate them but i am not sure this piece has been brought up: i think it is interesting how JTR brought attention to/asked about the notion of a potential maf Potent voting out the gate for his maf teammate LD, saying like "but don't mafia avoid doing this?"
i feel like mafia have done that enough times in games that he has reffed that... it just struck me as a strange question, one that it seems he should already know the answer to. so it made me wonder, was he asking it to put potent in a good light? idk.
and then re potent: his "what's your beef with me? Usually you can read me well so I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from" from pg 12 rubbed me the wrong way and i'll tell you why. it isn't the fact that posed a question about why im considering him as a potential suspect--thats a fine thing to ask anyone, sure yes. but the last time that i thought he seemed a little sus and raised it, he posted something VERY similar to this with sort of a guilt trippy edge to it of like, "but usually you're good at reading me, so are you really thinking im maf here? dont you know better" and that game i backed off of it...then he ended up BEING MAFIA.
Just now really taking this in, admittedly I have a bad habit of just skimming sometimes, but I don’t have this encyclopedia of mafia knowledge where I know if mafia voted D1 for their partners or not. Tbh I’m still not convinced that’s really much of a thing other than I know LLL is/was known for doing it so I’m when I get in front of a computer shortly I’m going to look.
It really was me posting my thought process at the time and it feels kind of dumb to me to point that out.
what are your thoughts on JTR? I’m surprised he isn’t in this right now. I would’ve gone him over you if he’d had a vote on him when I placed mine , but cum had switched already
you two could make it a Rummy JTR runoff and I would consider switching if the right arguments were made.
It would go straight to two person and JTR would have a revote but if you think JTR should be in here then I think it’s worth it
imo this is the worst runoff we could have. Though Rummy has been weird and off on a couple of her reads, I’m not feeling she’s mafia.
at this point, methinks so, jacob. reasons to go JTR have been pointed out by multiple people so i won't reiterate them but i am not sure this piece has been brought up: i think it is interesting how JTR brought attention to/asked about the notion of a potential maf Potent voting out the gate for his maf teammate LD, saying like "but don't mafia avoid doing this?"
i feel like mafia have done that enough times in games that he has reffed that... it just struck me as a strange question, one that it seems he should already know the answer to. so it made me wonder, was he asking it to put potent in a good light? idk.
and then re potent: his "what's your beef with me? Usually you can read me well so I'm trying to figure out where you are coming from" from pg 12 rubbed me the wrong way and i'll tell you why. it isn't the fact that posed a question about why im considering him as a potential suspect--thats a fine thing to ask anyone, sure yes. but the last time that i thought he seemed a little sus and raised it, he posted something VERY similar to this with sort of a guilt trippy edge to it of like, "but usually you're good at reading me, so are you really thinking im maf here? dont you know better" and that game i backed off of it...then he ended up BEING MAFIA.
Just now really taking this in, admittedly I have a bad habit of just skimming sometimes, but I don’t have this encyclopedia of mafia knowledge where I know if mafia voted D1 for their partners or not. Tbh I’m still not convinced that’s really much of a thing other than I know LLL is/was known for doing it so I’m when I get in front of a computer shortly I’m going to look.
It really was me posting my thought process at the time and it feels kind of dumb to me to point that out.
i dont expect you to have a logged encyclopedia of media knowledge just from reffing frequently, but this hasn't just happened in one or two games - one maf member voting another in d1 out the gate has happened more than a couple times.
it is dumb of me to bring up a thing that seemed incongruent to me? thats how we figure shit out. no asking questions of people, no probing for why someone has said or done a thing, and...Town isn't getting anywhere.
if you're not maf here--what are your thoughts on others then? im glad you see im not town. but aside from your feelings on tranter who you're on right now, what about other folks?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I am going to vote based on effort. I like Rummy’s responses and how active she’s been.
I think if we are gonna do this blindly, we should vote out the weakest link.
Tranter > Jortles
im pretty peeved he voted cum wordlessly after being very MIA, then asked for noon deadline instead of 10am yet isn't here for that extension to engage in conversation at all.
not sure i think hes mafia but he hasnt done much of anything to help town as of now, either.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Just now really taking this in, admittedly I have a bad habit of just skimming sometimes, but I don’t have this encyclopedia of mafia knowledge where I know if mafia voted D1 for their partners or not. Tbh I’m still not convinced that’s really much of a thing other than I know LLL is/was known for doing it so I’m when I get in front of a computer shortly I’m going to look.
It really was me posting my thought process at the time and it feels kind of dumb to me to point that out.
i dont expect you to have a logged encyclopedia of media knowledge just from reffing frequently, but this hasn't just happened in one or two games - one maf member voting another in d1 out the gate has happened more than a couple times.
it is dumb of me to bring up a thing that seemed incongruent to me? thats how we figure shit out. no asking questions of people, no probing for why someone has said or done a thing, and...Town isn't getting anywhere.
if you're not maf here--what are your thoughts on others then? im glad you see im not town. but aside from your feelings on tranter who you're on right now, what about other folks?
I know it happens and has happened I just don’t think it’s really that common, like I think it probably happens less often than it would randomly. And LD voted Potent out of the gate but he seemed hell bent on voting retaliation when someone votes for him i.e. when I voted for him he voted for me.
We’re really getting far down this initial vote rabbit hole and to be honest I’m probably not going to use it as a talking point one way or the other. It was just what I was thinking at the time.
As far as everyone else I really don’t have a strong feel one way or another. Potent feels quiet. Jortles is also quiet but I don’t think that’s an indication of his role one way or the other, he’s been quiet mafia before and ramped up his participation later. Which seems like a theme with him. Theo seems to be acting like he always does. Idk about Cum, nothing is sticking out to me one way or the other.
Lastly you say I’m not town in your last paragraph.
Jake Jortles you voted for cum wordlessly. care to share any thoughts at all? what about this silence? you're not in this at all--are you maf?
Jortles > Cum > Rummy
jesus seriously dude?
you are basically not even playing. and you wouldnt give reason for cum vote, now wont offer reason for switching to me? you dont find jtr or potent suspicious at all?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
i dont expect you to have a logged encyclopedia of media knowledge just from reffing frequently, but this hasn't just happened in one or two games - one maf member voting another in d1 out the gate has happened more than a couple times.
it is dumb of me to bring up a thing that seemed incongruent to me? thats how we figure shit out. no asking questions of people, no probing for why someone has said or done a thing, and...Town isn't getting anywhere.
if you're not maf here--what are your thoughts on others then? im glad you see im not town. but aside from your feelings on tranter who you're on right now, what about other folks?
I know it happens and has happened I just don’t think it’s really that common, like I think it probably happens less often than it would randomly. And LD voted Potent out of the gate but he seemed hell bent on voting retaliation when someone votes for him i.e. when I voted for him he voted for me.
We’re really getting far down this initial vote rabbit hole and to be honest I’m probably not going to use it as a talking point one way or the other. It was just what I was thinking at the time.
As far as everyone else I really don’t have a strong feel one way or another. Potent feels quiet. Jortles is also quiet but I don’t think that’s an indication of his role one way or the other, he’s been quiet mafia before and ramped up his participation later. Which seems like a theme with him. Theo seems to be acting like he always does. Idk about Cum, nothing is sticking out to me one way or the other.
Lastly you say I’m not town in your last paragraph.
typo on my keyboard; im multi tasking as im on a webinar rn (easier to multi task than a one-on-one call though). mind was in between writing "glad you see im town" and "...you see im NOT maf" and i mixed between the two. pls dont read into that.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.